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Evaluation/Help your G&W,Video Critique Thread,Updated (11-01-09))

PentaSalia

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why don't you wifi to keep fresh?
i mean of course rl is better but it's still great to learn match ups and stuff


sadly i can only play my best on wifi ._.

i just get too nervous in rl and i do stupid shet like SD by accident
hope i overcome it one day ._.
 

A2ZOMG

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My characters SUUUUUUCK on wifi. Mario and G&W in specific...Luigi is kinda alright, and Ganon well...is Ganon.

Also, it's annoying as **** how dumb characters like Toon Link, Wolf, Ike, Ness, and Yoshi can get away with SO MUCH DUMB CRAP on wifi.

Maybe I'll get back into it if I can steal my friend's LAN adapter.
 

PentaSalia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV8TRBKzHXY

am i any good with this character at all
you're decent lol
don't rely on dair so much and nair more as well
Nair one of his best attacks,works best against airborne characters like wario
your approaches need alot of work, SH bairs

oh and on corneria, stand on top of the planes and hold out the bucket,easier way to fill up :p

pretty general advice since it looks like you just began playing him o.o
just keep playing him and you'll discover what do's and donts are of G&W lol
 

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Your G&W is really good...I honestly don't think you did anything really wrong in that matchup...you could however use ducking more to work around lasers.

Also, you never SDIed his F-air, which really isn't hard. I never saw you use Jab either, which is odd since it helps a lot at interrupting the flow of fast characters, but it worked out I guess.

Seriously though, that was REALLY pro.
 

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Yes, very nice G&W. Though, I don't think that fox knew the matchup very well (either that or he isn't that great of a fox player). Regardless, I loved all of the nair. Great execution of smashes too!

Could you please tell me where you got the orange texture? All of the textures I use for G&W make his attacks go BLACK no matter what color of texture I use. The orange one seems to work well.
 

PentaSalia

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lol yea most of this texts make his attacks go black

it's actually hard to play on dark stages like lylat or brinstar._.

i wantz ze PINK ONE D:<
 

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Yes, very nice G&W. Though, I don't think that fox knew the matchup very well (either that or he isn't that great of a fox player). Regardless, I loved all of the nair. Great execution of smashes too!

Could you please tell me where you got the orange texture? All of the textures I use for G&W make his attacks go BLACK no matter what color of texture I use. The orange one seems to work well.
well, i just got a texture package from here since if you get if get textures one by one, they make all the other g&w colors the same one, so it gets confusing in dittos/doubles.

to bad green = brown, and i hate brown. but oh well.

anyways thanks for the replies guys. :'D
hopefully i show my true stuff in Pound 4 since not many people believe that we have top players in Panama.
 

Rega12345

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Lol, UTD Zac, PentaSalian A2ZOMG, this guy kewl came here for a critique, so give him advice instead of asking what textures =o

@ KEWL:-

- Firstly, you arn't spacing your bairs correctly as you arn't making making sure your enemy is caught at the mouth of the turtle. This is essential if you don't want your enemy to grab you OOS and punnish it. My suggestion is to use the c-stick to bair so you can use the directional stick to DI away from your opponent immediately once your turtle makes contact! Only deliberately unspace your turtle if you can manage to Di right through your opponent and appear on the other side of him, that way you can grab him right after the bair finishes. I wouldn't recommend this though, as it puts you in risks to grab happy chars e.g D3.

- You also arn't utilizing the nair effectively near the ground, I see you randomly bunnyhopping aimlessly about your enemy and your nairs not landing a single hit. Fox can easily usmash/ utilt you to punish this. My suggestion is Fast fall the nair after an Up B(Auto FF) or a jump, this way you are able to use the nair closer to the ground where your opponent is. Master this, move onto canceling the nair, you basically interrupt the nair midway by landing on the ground, this can lead to setups like dsmash.

- For your Up B, you just float around right after you initiate the move. This can put you in a bad position as your opponent can easily attack from below you. Learn to abuse the Auto Fast fall Up B. Simply, buffer a nair/bair/uair right after initiating the Up B. This way, you are able to get the ground rapidly and your attack can ward off any punishers. More Up B, LESS spot dodge when you get in a sticky situation up close to your opponent, this is especially important when facing marth.

- Work on your spacing, there are many moments when you are just too close to fox, avoid this to avoid getting hit. It's vitally important to not get hit with G&W as he dies ridiculously early. Also, full-hop your fairs to avoid landing lag, doing a fair close to the ground gives your opponent the opportunity to punish you. Your play-style is relatively unsafe as you randomly try and grab you opponent repetitively, avoid this at all costs and only use it in a clever deceitful manner (e.g. after a dash dance) or for punishing landing lag of opponents. Use G&W's faster attacks i.e more dtilt/ jab up close instead of spot-dodging and grabbing.

-Your edge guard tactics are ok, for improvement you could try spacing the bacon + dtilt onto the ledge. You could also try timing a dash attack with your opponent reaching for the ledge, this leads to them getting stage spiked, an early gimp =D I recommend the offstage stale fair for an effective gimp (as Fair hitbox lasts long).

Overall, your G&W is average, you understand the basics of his game and use his smashes well, however you play rather unsafe. Keep in your mind, G&W is a glass cannon; he can dish out tremendous damage but dies incredibly early (some occasions his bucket brake isn't good enough!). Therefore, spacing is fundamentally important when playing G&W at high level.
I hope you consider my advice(other than listening to American G&Ws -.-) and good luck with G&W =D

I'm outie
 

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Just watched those Dave, you're amazing =)

Same color as me.
Same play style as me.
You even throw out SideB as often as I do... wtf
Came really close to beating Fino like me ><

Keep it up =D

Very important tip against Olimar. If you UpB, all attached pikmin will come off. (well 99% of the time, sometimes nose is hard to reach)
 

kewl

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really nice g&w. i just saw one game though since it'ls like 4 am.
i'll watch it all tomorrow and give you a full critique.
 

kewl

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alright nice games.
what i saw the most is that your dair became predictable, fino would almost always punish you. try to mix this up with slowfalled dairs, or fastfalled nairs.

i like all the grabs you did, but personally when he started to tech you should of thrown up/left/right so you won't get as predictable, since they'll usually airdodge due to thinking they have to tech, you can follow up with some nair strings and upairs. i would of done this for olimar, even though you did a great job, you gotta remember olimar loves being on the ground. so you pop him up and he can't do anything to us pretty much.

last thing i saw, is probably based on preference but whatever. i saw atleast 3 times where you could of edgehogged olimar and it would of been a clean kill. try to do this more. olimar's recovery sucks.
 

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Ok guys, here are vids of me vs Portugal's best Falco.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WnyjzgJ4Xw , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kThbPydlqo , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCFJm6-uT1U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1d0ovGW3OU , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-LuWbsk6-M , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqbehet7nA
PS: I already know that I missed a lot of punishes, edgehogs and that I did some ******** stuff in between(like rolling a lot). I also know that I fail at PSing. I'm good at it online which is probably what screwed me over lol. Btw, ignore the DK matches inbetween, I only used him because I already knew I was going to lose. :p
 

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Bah, I guess I'll throw some vids in here:

Set against Omniswell's Wario in pools

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6rV-DR5FFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvdR0qQOT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC4A_4i1jQQ

Set against Zero's Pikachu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Y3-5U6xJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNebmvYpjP8

Set against WTP's Kirby/MK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYC4K71Fqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY5RQAcBuzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur80GatA_ao

Set against C1Zro's Falco/Wario
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2O4_o8daJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9JmkezkFTU

(Word to the wise, never agree to a silly stage, it may not end well)


I was hoping to have a set against a marth, a rob, and a few doubles matches in here, but they didn't get em uploaded =/ ah well.

EDIT: You may actually hear me in the vids, lmao, god I hope I didn't say anything stupid.
 

PentaSalia

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i think you would have done better against Omnis/ and that MK if you had up and B'd more.
they were randomly floating above you too many times lol;/
make them think twice about approaching you that easily


nice job against kirby
i like how your random smashes work consistently lol x-x

oh..and why were u playing on 75m..?



@NatP
watching vids now sec lol

only saw the first vid against falco
lawl.good games,that falco was okay xD,but you coulda easily avoid some of the stuff he went for.

You have to be patient in this match up,so you can't just take the laser hits and forcefully approach him hoping for a smash to work.
Plank,stay on a platform,or even simply duck, but don't get hit by those lasers lol

you didn't really try getting him in the air either;/,falco isn't too great in the air
don't try approaching him from the ground too much, tho if you are going to, dtilt works fine here
always approach from the air,especially since falco can't really punish bair[unless you do it wrong and get CG'd]

err lastly...learn to predict some of his moves like his side B and attempts for upsmash/fsmash.
it isn't too hard to predict when he's going to recover or go for smashes,except dsmash,which comes out pretty quick.
It'll save you stocks and get you some kills lol

don't know this MU that well but that's how i do it lol
 

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I do punish more of his sideb's on the other vids, and trust me, the falco owns me ALOT harder in the following videos.
 

PentaSalia

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you could have made a thread out of this xP

i think combo vids are the only exceptions lol
 

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nice vids man! my only tip i have for you is you caught the DK in a lot of Nair's
but at low percentages you can combo into another Nair, so Nair to Nair is a pretty nice combo and it rack up damage
and also after a Nair you can combo it into an Up-B
 

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to derka: all i could say was "wow....he's so BRAVE approaching dk with a charged punch" lol, try to no always approach and just fall back and punish, u have a good gaw
 

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Just looking for a little feedback on this

Quality isn't too great and I know I need to BB and use FFnair to momentum cancel instead of Dair but other than that tips would be nice :)
 

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why am i the only one that ends up doing these lol...
err..i'll do it in a sec

edit:
even for a wifi snake,he was pretty bad lol

ok so...you're way too aggresive
don't go running off after snake when you've sent him offstage,be patient and try to bait him into a aerial or smash
work on your approaches too, half the times you approached,you were punished >.>
and if that snake was better,he probably would have taken a stocks off you earlier.


i'll finish this after lunch lol
 

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even for a wifi snake,he was pretty bad lol
LOL wow i just thought the same thing without reading this. xD

anyways, like penta said, be less aggressive. camp more, if you have to, just sit on one side and jump up and down. i usually play this MU really really defensive. and it works out for me, because aggresively youre gunna run into alot of tilts, alot of grenades, and some unwanted grabs.

btw you also need more nair. i didn't see much, helps alot in the MU since it keeps him in air. SHFF Nair is really good.
 

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Vs Iriskong's Wario
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cJlS3A_z0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zixitF-QmE
(in game 2 I started screwing up a lot) I know how I screwed up but some other opinions would be cool.

Vs NOJ's MK/G&W
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4AiQedkV_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonWOAnS-NE&feature=channel
(Suicides are bad. In match 2 I was just out played.)

Still dealing with not choking in tournaments and keeping my head on straight.
ok. vs NoJ, i noticed some things.
your spacing needs a little bit of work, you were constantly eating up smashes that you shouldn't of ate if you would of spaced a bit better. your dairs were getting a little predictable. sometimes its just better to Up-B and escape, or FF and shield. even a FF'd fair would of been better sometimes. Also, you should full hop your aerials more, it leaves you lagless, and if you full hop them right, you can throw out another aerial. the second match vs NoJ, i saw where he would full hop aerial, and you would shorthop a bair, this happened quiet a bit, point is, use more nair. :p

now vs Iriskong:

first game, nair more. Nair and Dtilt help with that MU alotttttttt. tbh i believe you baired too much and didn't nair enough, i saw alot of openings where nair would of been the best choice. last 15 seconds where you shieled iris' waft, instead of going for the full hopped bair, you should of grabbed him and gone for the grab release -> fair, you could of killed him there. i guess that just ultimatly comes down to being nervous and not reacting with the right things, with more exp you'll get better at that. game 2 you baired wayyyy too much. i know ive been saying this alot but, honestly nair moreeeeeeeeeeeeee. most ppl say bair>nair but when it comes down to it, nair>bair.

in all the matches i noticed 2 things. start charging your smashes. charged smashes, especially from gw become awesome mindgames and people urn into them all the time, and with the hella low cooldown, after one charged smash, you can throw an uncharged one right after. the other thing i recommend you momentum cancel with nair. it ends alot quicker than all his other aerials (which is what you did, instead of a simple nair) thus making your BB come out a bit faster.

long critique i know, i hope you take the time to read it all. your gw ain't bad at all, just work on the things i said. (:
 

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ok. vs NoJ, i noticed some things.
your spacing needs a little bit of work, you were constantly eating up smashes that you shouldn't of ate if you would of spaced a bit better. your dairs were getting a little predictable. sometimes its just better to Up-B and escape, or FF and shield. even a FF'd fair would of been better sometimes. Also, you should full hop your aerials more, it leaves you lagless, and if you full hop them right, you can throw out another aerial. the second match vs NoJ, i saw where he would full hop aerial, and you would shorthop a bair, this happened quiet a bit, point is, use more nair. :p

now vs Iriskong:

first game, nair more. Nair and Dtilt help with that MU alotttttttt. tbh i believe you baired too much and didn't nair enough, i saw alot of openings where nair would of been the best choice. last 15 seconds where you shieled iris' waft, instead of going for the full hopped bair, you should of grabbed him and gone for the grab release -> fair, you could of killed him there. i guess that just ultimatly comes down to being nervous and not reacting with the right things, with more exp you'll get better at that. game 2 you baired wayyyy too much. i know ive been saying this alot but, honestly nair moreeeeeeeeeeeeee. most ppl say bair>nair but when it comes down to it, nair>bair.

in all the matches i noticed 2 things. start charging your smashes. charged smashes, especially from gw become awesome mindgames and people urn into them all the time, and with the hella low cooldown, after one charged smash, you can throw an uncharged one right after. the other thing i recommend you momentum cancel with nair. it ends alot quicker than all his other aerials (which is what you did, instead of a simple nair) thus making your BB come out a bit faster.

long critique i know, i hope you take the time to read it all. your gw ain't bad at all, just work on the things i said. (:
Thanks a lot dude. I did read all of it! Thanks for all the feedback! My next tournament is in two weeks so I have some time to train with this advice in mind.
 

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yw bro.

btw someone should sticky this thread. it gets lost sometimes and people forget we even have this.
 

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ive asked utdzack and hylian

but they both obviously hate me :(
what i do to you guys!?!?!?

</3lol
 

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mines pretty boss to. you should change yours izzy, find something more original.
 
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