Evaluation/Help your G&W,Video Critique Thread,Updated (11-01-09))

PentaSalia

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#1
Welcome To The Game and Watch Critique Thread








Since the official video thread is for only advanced tourney players, I felt there should be a thread for people that are just beginning or are intermediate and they just want help with their G&W.Feel Free to post any videos you feel that need critique or just any comments from the G&W community.




Posting Your Videos
A Few Rules Before you post your vids:]
-Quality doesn't matter,just as long as it's somewhat visible
-Only 1-2 videos at a time, so we can get a general idea of what you're playstyle is
-you may post new vids of yourself every 3-4 weeks,
-For those that are looking for help, once you get a general idea of what the community thinks of you, no need to keep posting more every other week lol
-For those just posting vids of your epic moments,keep it coming:D
- I'd Recommend you post a video a close battle or you losing. Makes it easier for us to see what was wrong




For the Reviewers
-Please quote the video of the person you are commenting on when posting
-Be honest,but not harsh when critiquing someone else's video.
-Learn from others and have fun:D





Records will be kept on the bottom post for anybody to benefit from if they please:)
Don't worry,you wont be called a noob here D:
G&W players are nice people:x
Enjoy guys,hope this goes well:3
 

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#2
This will be changed into a records post of all the videos that have been critiqued
It'll keep things organized and keep a wide variety of videos available for other players to watch for whatever reason.I'll start with the latest video xD. And i got the idea from another boards so don't accuse me of copying;(. All credit to them lol




RECORDS
1.Kaak 6-11-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ-JxH_qerg&feature=channel_page
Critique: UTD ZAC. FakeGeorge
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOANeqGS6u8&feature=channel_page
Critique: UTD ZAV. FakeGeorge

2.JayBoi221 6-15-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDHzgxy8fw
Critique: PentaSalia. GamingBlack
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUiwBurBA8
Critique: PentaSalia GamingBlack

3.Cyan 6-19-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdMbxat9zg&feature=channel_page
Critique: GamingBlack,JKBUK
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXJ8KV-OBc&feature=channel_page
Critique: GamingBlack, JkBUK[

4.JustKindaBoredUKno 6-20-09(i'll only put up the first two singles lol)
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5-cR7mUhAU
Critique: PentaSalia
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4QEZuVgYBI
Critique: Pentasalia

5. Kaak 6-22-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSj20svgF2E&feature=channel_page
Critique: GamingBlack,JKBuK,Cyan

6. UTDZAc 6-24-09
Video 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_qcgRUhW0M
Critique:
Video 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEEV9bG_XB0
Critique: Cutter
Video 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZM78vGq9rU
Critique:

7.JayBoi221 6-29-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dD1zCmpvLg
Critique: Gamingblack, PentaSalia
Video2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5DiWVISAg4
Critique: Gamingblack PentaSalia

8.RaJam 7-01-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzIu05MluD4&feature=related
Critique: PentaSalia

9.Derkapalooza 7-03-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie2Z5RycV_s
Critique: Gamingblack, PentaSalia

10.Kaak 7-04-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K67Pp-cJD4
Critique: PentaSalia, Luvr
Video2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JAFaR-ciEg
Critique: Pentasalia, Luvr

11.NatP 7-27-09
Video1-7. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7958861&postcount=195
Critique: JustKindaBoredUKno's

12.TheMike 8-05-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsGQNb4LJi0
Critique: PentaSalia, A2ZOMG

13.PkOW 9-08-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cidwnD-CE
Critique: Pentasalia,A2ZOMG

14.Splice 10-05-09
Video1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dESY...eature=channel
Critique: PentaSalia

15.NatP 10-14-09
Videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_NBPhv09M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-yfTxTGYFQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxX9H3JRQ7U
Critique: Anauel
 

Noa.

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#5
Awesome to see that you did it. We do tent to get a lot of rate my G&W threads. And now they can all go here.

I wonder if this'll be stickied.
 

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nice to know i got some supporters=p
i got a few of my vids up for commentary haha

hope i get other people's soon :X
 

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#7
I agree that this thread is a good idea.

Here are some more videos!

FakeGeorge vs 8 (DDD):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFFt75ZIEGc 1&2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4tLGvqCWSE 3

FakeGeorge vs Seiya (Pit):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8liNOaEWXo 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EI1Ij1BcV8 2


Regarding your videos, PentaSalia, you Fair a lot. Your opponents didn't always punish it, but in the match vs Toon Link, you basically gave him a free Fsmash that almost KOed you. Similarly, I noticed that when you try to land/ get back on the stage, you often attempted to land by/ attack your opponent. Against Toon Link, around 0:45, you UpB'ed and landed right in front of him. You didn't go high enough to make the platform, but maybe you could have made the ledge? From here you could drop and UpB again or something else. It probably would have been better than landing in his attacks.

I like your use of Nair. It took me a long time to figure out just how awesome it is.

That's what I got after a first look. I'll try and go into more detail when I have more time.
 

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#8
Updated,thank you for the vids:D

and for your comments,thanks as well

yea,im told that i do fair alot :(,
it's a bad habit i must get rid of lol

but yea,rainbow cruise and nair go together nicely:D
nice to abuse the ledges lol

as for landing in front of him,it was a my fault lol
i managed to bucket break,but died a few secs later
anyway ty again:)


Updated
 

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#9
I can not record, so can someone possibly play (and maybe upload) some matches with me and critique. That'd be great!
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNN9oMHy0k&feature=channel_page

Me vs Ambrose. I also posted this on the other video thread :p
nice battles, the way you died on that MK vs G&W battle was silly:X lol
nice bucket breaking
and those grabs were great:p

lol the bacon at the end seemed to help a bit:D

wow you dominated that snake lol
great use of nairs and uairs,i need to do that more against snake:(
some of your bairs missed D:,and you weren't punished for it lol

silly suicide at the end:p

good games


i'll have the vid up in a bit
 
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Hey G&W mains, hopefully you can give some advice to my friend Wry who mains G&W.

Wry!! (G&W/MK) vs CrimsonMoon (Ness/Marth) Game 1 and 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX4GAd0NI4M&feature=channel_page

He goes MK in the second game because he's scared of Marth...

Wry!! (G&W) vs CrimsonMoon (Ness) Game 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHK47rQtUM&feature=channel_page

Wry!! (G&W) vs sniperworm (Sheik) Part 4 of Crew Battle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_je6Kv-WOa4&feature=channel_page

That's all I could find of him that's fairly recent. Hopefully you guys can give him some good advice.

Edit: Oh, I guess if you ask me he'd count as intermediate because he's been playing G&W since Brawl came out (and all throughout Melee too, but that doesn't really count for much). But you can decide what section this belongs in.

Edit 2: Sorry, fixed link to Wry!! vs sniperworm match.
 

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Hey G&W mains, hopefully you can give some advice to my friend Wry who mains G&W.

Wry!! (G&W/MK) vs CrimsonMoon (Ness/Marth) Game 1 and 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX4GAd0NI4M&feature=channel_page

He goes MK in the second game because he's scared of Marth...

Wry!! (G&W) vs CrimsonMoon (Ness) Game 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHK47rQtUM&feature=channel_page

Wry!! (G&W) vs sniperworm (Sheik) Part 4 of Crew Battle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHK47rQtUM&feature=channel_page

That's all I could find of him that's fairly recent. Hopefully you guys can give him some good advice.

Edit: Oh, I guess if you ask me he'd count as intermediate because he's been playing G&W since Brawl came out (and all throughout Melee too, but that doesn't really count for much). But you can decide what section this belongs in.
He has to learn bucket braking. I heard the commentators talking about it and how he hasn't learned it yet, but this video is somewhat old. If he hasn't learned it yet, tell him to do so.

SH fair less, you decay it and it's one of GW's best killing moves and it has a lot of landing lag too. Try SH nair or bair more.

Definitely use more upB offensively. Up B is great when your opponent recovers high and is too high for a nair. Up B outta shield is also great, instead of rolling.

Uair more. It refreshes/"undecays" your other moves and is great to juggle your opponents and sometimes they don't know how to deal with it so you can do some free nairs or upBs.
 

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Hey G&W mains, hopefully you can give some advice to my friend Wry who mains G&W.

Wry!! (G&W/MK) vs CrimsonMoon (Ness/Marth) Game 1 and 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX4GAd0NI4M&feature=channel_page

He goes MK in the second game because he's scared of Marth...

Wry!! (G&W) vs CrimsonMoon (Ness) Game 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHK47rQtUM&feature=channel_page

Wry!! (G&W) vs sniperworm (Sheik) Part 4 of Crew Battle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHK47rQtUM&feature=channel_page

That's all I could find of him that's fairly recent. Hopefully you guys can give him some good advice.

Edit: Oh, I guess if you ask me he'd count as intermediate because he's been playing G&W since Brawl came out (and all throughout Melee too, but that doesn't really count for much). But you can decide what section this belongs in.

Against Ness, he kept on trying to approach ness from front,and kept on getting caught by his fair over and over lol. short hop bairs aren't bad,but he kept on trying it in the worse situations. More nair would have helped,and SH bairs as well
The random buckets...were...odd=/
he was left wide open ,right in front of ness for at least 2 seconds lol
i say only use it, to gimp ness offstage.
i didn't see one upsmash:( and very few grabs
upsmash has great in priority and is great for early kills
downthrow into upsmash is a common kill move

and as cyan said,bucket breaking is a nice to know

Good G&W,nice match
 

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#19
For the epic end (sorry for the quality, some issues..) :

Kaos(G&W) VS Glutonny(Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnI_6iLTJQ8
Je parle un peu du francais. Je vais a la ecole pour la classe francais.

I'm in 9th grade, taking a french class. I just started and I think I made a few mistakes in my statement, but it's cool to talk in French.

Anyway, I must compliment you on your beatiful tech chase. It lasted for quite a while. You didn't use too much SH Bair though. You have good G&W, and I enjoyed watching the match.
 

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For the epic end (sorry for the quality, some issues..) :

Kaos(G&W) VS Glutonny(Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnI_6iLTJQ8

nice spacing,very nice battle lol
you're right,i enjoyed watch it:p
few more bairs wouldn't have hurt,but overall,you did great

nice tech chase at the end,possibly saved you from losing:p
racked up alot of dmg,

goodgame,epic battle

Okay, thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to relay those comments and anything else people have to say to him.

By the way, I fixed the link for Wry vs sniperworm in the first post I made but here it is again:

Wry!! (G&W) vs sniperworm (Sheik) Part 4 of crew battles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_je6Kv-WOa4&feature=channel_page

why did he kill himself twice? lol
and he still lost?D:
what happened here? :dizzy:

well based on the battle...
he was being too aggresive lol
more SH bairs:(,he missed most of the times
less fair

but again,don't understand why the shiek died twice:p




Edit:Fakegeorge's vids still need commenting on the first page D:
i'd like to do it but i got to go now >.<
help him out guys!:D

and thank you for the vids,this is coming along nicely^_^
 

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FakeGeorge (G&W) vs 8 (DDD) 1-2 of 3@fakegeorge

lol nice using the waddle dee to fill the bucket:p
you should have went for a grab,then used it

nice spacing,but you had alot of opportunities to go for a free hit
nice use of bairs:)

lol@ the second match:(
that DDDcide was lame,but seeing that there was only 12 secs in the vid left
i was like"oh no,i know whats going to happen" lol

ggs:p
 
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why did he kill himself twice? lol
and he still lost?D:
what happened here? :dizzy:

well based on the battle...
he was being too aggresive lol
more SH bairs:(,he missed most of the times
less fair

but again,don't understand why the shiek died twice:p
Um, like I posted, it was a crew battle. I only had one stock left at that point, that's why I killed myself twice.

Don't be too harsh on him losing though, I'm a lot better than he is right now (I'm a usual top 10 finisher in Hawaii, he's happy when he makes it out of pools) but he's trying to get better.

Thanks for the advice, I'll forward those comments to him too.
 

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#32
meh it's open to the community

it's up to you if you think you belong here or not lol

ahh i didn't put a "pro section"
because i thought that's what the real video thread was for


maybe i should call it "tourney vids" :o
 

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#34
Match 1
This seemed to be your best match,you were doing great
good air game,the bair->nair->Uair was great lol
nice use of uairs,then into nairs
great walk off fairs:D,got him most of the times,
more SH bairs wouldn't have been nice though
The death on your first stock was unnecessary,you shouldn't have gone so far:p
same on second stock,

Match 2
You seemed to have a lot of trouble approaching,you seemed like you didn't know how to:(
and avoid coming up from the edge with a nair in PT staduim,you're risking getting caught in that weird edge lol,like you did
again, more SH bairs, and keep him juggled in the air,spam more uairs, especially on characters that don't do great in the air like snake/DK,etc.
Don't be scared of that charged fist lol


Match 3.
hmm..i say that you kept on trying to approach from the front,and with DK's ftilt,it just got you everytime=/, he racked up a lot of damage like that.
The death on your final stock,you should have waited


Overall i say that match 1 was your best. watch that over if you seem to have trouble against DK:p
Avoid approaching DK from the front,his Ftilt has too much of a great range.and keep him juggled in the air when you get the chance to

good games and goodluck
 

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#35
DK is a pain to approach. His ftilt outranges all of our moves, and is too insanely fast. Even if you don't get hit by his ftilt, he shieldgrabs you. I tend to land behind DK with a bair.
 

Anauel

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#36
Yeah, my first game was definitely my best. I really didn't know how to approach on the second game (and idk what the hell happened on the third).

Problem is I can't reliably get past his ftilt. I'll try a lot harder with the sh bairs and the juggling. I'll hopefully have more videos since there's a local tourney on Saturday

Thanks!
 

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I haven't played against many DKs, but wouldn't a fullhop bair beat his ftilt? Turtles disjointed too, so you could just space out a wall of turtles he can't approach through. Work on your spacing a little too, a fully spaced turtle shouldn't be shieldgrabbed.

When they airdodge down at you a lot like in match 2, instead of going for nair/uair/upb just do an upsmash. Your nair combos were nice, though.

When edgeguarding, use slowfalled keys if your fair is stale. Alternatively, aggresively edgeguard with stale fairs to up-b.

Stop getting caught in f-smashes D: If they're scaring you just up-b away. Also, you didn't use up-b much as an attack. If it's a character than can viably recover high, save it for edgeguarding, but DK will get ***** if they do that, so don't be afraid of ending nair strings with up-bs, it'll knock them off the edge for edgeguarding.

I dunno if it works as well on DK, but dtilt on the edge if he's grabbed the edge. I dunno if it'll stuff his getup attack, but it should eat through all his aerials (maybe not up-b)

Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong about any of this, though.
 

Anauel

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#38
I'm fairly certain he can trade hits with me (bair vs bair) so it's not like I can spam it. The slowfalled keys instead of a fair is pretty good advice, I'll try to use that a lot more, as well as the upb.

Thanks for your advice! :D
 
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