Oh gawd! Falco got no more advantage on those stages than anyone else does.
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Epita Smash Arena 2 - Paris - 23 & 24 February 2008 - Up to 256 Players !
- Thread starter Joanna Dark
- Start date
Vegard
Smash Lord
I thought I deleted that part of the post.
Captain Jadde
Smash Cadet
I love the rules <3
I'll do my best to come to this.
I'll do my best to come to this.
Yes, it's pretty bad for the people taking low tier seriously and it's also a pretty bad statement to just ignore the European tier list (or any tier list for that matter). Some clarification from the Frenchies would be much appreciated.
As for a standard European ruleset for Brawl... I doubt that's gonna happen. Every community has its own culture and ideas, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The game works well with different rulesets, people just have to be reasonable about it.
Joanna Dark
Smash Ace
aww guys sorry to let you think we actually changed the tier list... no we didn't, and we don't have our own tier list...
but just as some people pointed it out, we all have our ideas and specialities depending on the country... well here in France, one of our best player plays link, and he's freaking good (Niam), but during a time, he wasn't the only one... Makenshi was playing Link at a high level too (now it's marth). so you have to understand that putting link in low tier tournaments in France is no fun at all. it's true that it's not the same for luigi, but hey, these 2 chars are way too good for low tiers (I pick link or luigi for low tier, don't think this ruleset is good for me XD).
Poilon is holiday, so when he comes back, he'll know about your complains and see what he can do. Please don't forget it's not my tournament, I'm not organizing it, I live 800Km away from it actually.
btw... crews >>> low tier
but just as some people pointed it out, we all have our ideas and specialities depending on the country... well here in France, one of our best player plays link, and he's freaking good (Niam), but during a time, he wasn't the only one... Makenshi was playing Link at a high level too (now it's marth). so you have to understand that putting link in low tier tournaments in France is no fun at all. it's true that it's not the same for luigi, but hey, these 2 chars are way too good for low tiers (I pick link or luigi for low tier, don't think this ruleset is good for me XD).
Poilon is holiday, so when he comes back, he'll know about your complains and see what he can do. Please don't forget it's not my tournament, I'm not organizing it, I live 800Km away from it actually.
btw... crews >>> low tier
Hara
Smash Apprentice
Ye... This is getting out of hand to be honest, now my only reason is really to come and watch Armada own 
Frenchies, you need to understand that as you say, you can't make everyone happy with rules but that is why there is a more or less standard set of rules.
*Looks at most of the other 'big' European tourneys*
I myself have no big problem with the stages, EXCEPT Green Greens, i agree that the blocks can from time to time win/loose the match BUT when the randomness is there for BOTH players it's fair. It's your skill that decide how you use it to your advantage or avoid it. With this i of course don't mean to tell you that getting one more stage in because enough people whine about it is fair, just to get to your senses.
A wide range of stages is there for a reason and you can't get out there and "change" the tier list.
Frenchies, you need to understand that as you say, you can't make everyone happy with rules but that is why there is a more or less standard set of rules.
*Looks at most of the other 'big' European tourneys*
I myself have no big problem with the stages, EXCEPT Green Greens, i agree that the blocks can from time to time win/loose the match BUT when the randomness is there for BOTH players it's fair. It's your skill that decide how you use it to your advantage or avoid it. With this i of course don't mean to tell you that getting one more stage in because enough people whine about it is fair, just to get to your senses.
A wide range of stages is there for a reason and you can't get out there and "change" the tier list.
Luma
Smash Lord
just stay away from the boxes = no luck
Hara
Smash Apprentice
Wait... I don't agree with the stages, i must have been talking out of my ***. Well anyway, you got my point.
Joanna Dark
Smash Ace
also note that some Japanese players are willing to attend the tournament, and there's already way too many stages for them. Captain Jack and "2 or 3 friends" are interested in coming to this, CJ advertised it to the Japanese...
take the stage rules as a compromise for Japanese, French and European smashers
take the stage rules as a compromise for Japanese, French and European smashers
$hYne
Smash Ace
I don´t care bout low tiers anyway, but especially in Germany many people do so .
So it would be problem for a low tier Luigi main to switch to Ness e.g. ... but never mind .
Would be great to have some Japanese players there (i don´t need Ys and FoD lol )
I´m really looking forward to this .
Edit: If there are japanese players coming i would accept only those 5 stages but otherwise i don´t see any reason for banning stages like BF, Mute City,...
So it would be problem for a low tier Luigi main to switch to Ness e.g. ... but never mind .
Would be great to have some Japanese players there (i don´t need Ys and FoD lol )
I´m really looking forward to this .
Edit: If there are japanese players coming i would accept only those 5 stages but otherwise i don´t see any reason for banning stages like BF, Mute City,...
Luma
Smash Lord
ok so lets ban shiek for singles cuz amsah is just to good with her
Joanna Dark
Smash Ace
haha very funny, everybody laughs.
please avoid that kind of comment.
please avoid that kind of comment.
$hYne
Smash Ace
/sign
that´s true
you can´t ban a character (even from low tiers) because there is a player who is 2 good.
If link/luigi in low tiers worked for all these years it will work for this (propably) last tournament too.
Maybe you should think again about that.
That was in fact hilarious, and Luma does have a good point.
If you have a low tier tournament, then you're supposed to use a proper tier list. If not, call it a "bad character tournament" or whatever.
If you have a low tier tournament, then you're supposed to use a proper tier list. If not, call it a "bad character tournament" or whatever.
No, randomness favors the lesser player.
Luma
Smash Lord
in sweden they maybe have/had the best yoshi in the world, do u see yoshi banned there? i dont think so
Your point has been made multiple times now, JD said to wait for Poilon. All your crappy oneliners do at this point is annoy the hell out of people.
jOs'z
Smash Cadet
Got that right, Marc. Let's wait for Poilon's opinions/decisions.
i don'really understand why everybody is complaining about the rules even if it isn't the way "every" european players organize their tournaments all the poeple that where at ESA 1 will say that it's a great tournament, well organized and fun . i understand that it could be a bit "unfair" for people who are not used to this gameplay but isn't it part of the game ?
to conclude i'll just say that we should concentrate on the good points of this tournament because for me the most important part of a tournament is that everybody have fun and have no regrets afterwards isn't it ?
to conclude i'll just say that we should concentrate on the good points of this tournament because for me the most important part of a tournament is that everybody have fun and have no regrets afterwards isn't it ?
Is it true like all french smashers plays fox/falco?, it´s understandable from the random stages allowed in my oppinion, no "perfect" marth stage either, with those really limited rules even I can see why wobbling is banned!!!, it´s because everyone plays falcos which gets ***** by IC's either way XD
Joanna Dark
Smash Ace
there are indeed quite a lot of good falco players in France, but there isn't only falcos... don't generalize in a stupid way like that, you're worth better, right?
Ryuker
Smash Lord
You can just hold a huge sleepover of if you want everyone to have fun. We hold tournaments to test each other and to determine who is best. We enter tournaments to win. We show up to have fun and meet people ^^.
I agree with helios on this and jd has given a invalid reasoning for banning these stages. If a stage is open with no obsticals it favors characters with projectiles ( especially that go in a straight line and go fast) or with good recovery so why is that a stage that you show you have skill on and not mutecity? If you say it's all about skill then your gonna have to accept the fact that improvisation and reaction is part of skill too otherwise your reasoning is wrong. Stay true to yourself JD ^^.
ivootjes(nr18)
Smash Lord
I'd say try to focus on the euro smashers, no need to change rules for the japanese. What do you prefer, having the best 100 euro smashers or 3 japanese and a random bunch of frenchies?also note that some Japanese players are willing to attend the tournament, and there's already way too many stages for them. Captain Jack and "2 or 3 friends" are interested in coming to this, CJ advertised it to the Japanese...
take the stage rules as a compromise for Japanese, French and European smashers
On top of that, would you change the rules if Americans would attend? They're having a lot of stages on and use the MLG rules in pretty much any big tournament. And their community is a lot better than the european and japanese community combined.
well it was a useless thing to say ,but it's just stupid to whine for all rules that u dont like .... and there are for sure a lot of good falcos in france but does those who play other caracters are whining ? ( put apart Doraki plz ...)
and i think that you were a ESA 1 and are you going to miss this tournament just because u don't like the stages ? i don't think so ...
well anyway you can stay on your position and whine but it's just useless because these rules worked at ESA 1 and i don't think that poilon will change them (we will see in 4 days when he'll be back in france) .
TelpeFion
Smash Lord
Falco doesn't get ***** by ICs
Ryuker
Smash Lord
I'm not whining for rules I don't like at all. I don't like mute city so if I was bias I would say good rules. But thats not the point. The point if you need to have a reason to ban something and a good one and both the reasons that I have seen do not prove it should be banned. It just shows how some people dislike the peach on mutecity match up but thats a different story. What I think should be on has nothing to do with this cause everyone is entitled to their own likings of stages. However if that were the case Hyrule temple would be on and so on but it isn't and their is a good reason for it. If JD gives a reason we can question it and saying these rules will not change at all cause their decided is a bit stupid. If a slight change in rules guarantee more peopel showing up then it would benefit the tournament so it should at least be considered.
Luma
Smash Lord
i got a reason to ban fd here: shl
jOs'z
Smash Cadet
Luma, if you don't have something clever or interesting to say, you can just shut up.
Why can't you people just wait and debate with Poilon ?
And definitely, there are not only Falco players in France, sure there are a lot, but not only.
Why can't you people just wait and debate with Poilon ?
And definitely, there are not only Falco players in France, sure there are a lot, but not only.
I'm not gonna whine very much, but I'm considering the tournament a bit, but the rules are really annying. I don't care very much about link and luigi, because you got a point, but others are bothering with it and it might not be right. At least allow more stages. Stages are something that makes smash a richer game, and your reasons for not allowing them aren't good for ban.
As I see it now, at least 90% (Frenchies and **** not under consideration) don't like the rules as it is.
As I see it now, at least 90% (Frenchies and **** not under consideration) don't like the rules as it is.
Kman25
Smash Ace
Yeah hopefully Ill be at this depending on the date, And tbh I like the rules xD
Joanna Dark
Smash Ace
Can someone ban Luma for this thread at least? he's completely useless.
@ JD
No we will not ban Luma from this thread (yet).
@ Luma
Either post something constructive or don't post at all.
Keep your sarcasm/humor/random-comments-nobody-wants-to-hear to yourself. If not I'll be forced to take "redname>>>you" actions against you and you wouldn't want that now would you. ^__^
No we will not ban Luma from this thread (yet).
@ Luma
Either post something constructive or don't post at all.
Keep your sarcasm/humor/random-comments-nobody-wants-to-hear to yourself. If not I'll be forced to take "redname>>>you" actions against you and you wouldn't want that now would you. ^__^
Joanna Dark
Smash Ace
NorwegianLink : you know very well that people open their mouth when it's not ok with them, but people who like the rules rarely post to say it. a minority shouting is always noisier than a majority in silence. that said, you also have to admit no ruleset will ever feel good for everyone O_o.
plus, how many of you guys have been to a BIG tournament with these stage rules? not many, I guess.
For the Dutch who've been to ESA, which had pretty much the same rules, what did you think of it?
give it a try and then complain...
plus, how many of you guys have been to a BIG tournament with these stage rules? not many, I guess.
For the Dutch who've been to ESA, which had pretty much the same rules, what did you think of it?
give it a try and then complain...
yeah, MasterGorn play Pichu!
I agree with what JD said. Also, pissing off your entire country with a new ruleset just to please some foreigners who are obviously much less certain to attend would be pretty stupid.
Is it such a big deal for the french to play on other stages aswell?
jOs'z
Smash Cadet
Maybe as big as the deal for you to be deprived from some stages.
Slhoka
Smash Lord
Is it such a big deal for the foreigners to play on the 5 five french stages only ?
But well, I'll try to give you an answer that isn't a troll.
You see, playing on the stages you guys want would be pretty bad for most French smashers. We play smash is on the 5 stages mentionned in the rules, since we don't want to rely too much on the counterpick. It means that we're not used to play on stages like Mute City, Onett, Green Greens or Rainbow Ride. Personally, I haven't played on one of these stages in a serious match for monthes. And I don't even speak of some guys who are automatically selecting FD at the beginning of every match, but well, I admit those guys are a bit dumb. Imagine how bad it can be for us in a tournament.
So yes, playing on more stages would be a big problem here in France, because of the way we play smash.
And honestly, even if in the end, Poilon will be the one who'll decide, I think there is no way that the stages you want to add will be on for this tourney, even if you complain.
Our approach of a competitive Smash has been with 5 stages for long, and it will stay this way, even if you have a different approach of the game and attend this tournament.
When you organised tournament in Sweden or the Netherlands, we played with your rules, although I'm sure some guy complained about it, especially JD. Now it's time for you to play with ours (except low tier, probably, even though I think it's pretty sad to use the official tier list this way =/).
Luma
Smash Lord
so in the end u are just hurting the french ppl who want to play serious smash in whole europe?