Drognar's roster.

[DeuceBlade]

Olimar is older than Ike, lol. Olimar deserves to be in brawl, almost everyone realizes that now.

 

[DemonicDragon]

Yes, but Ikes series is much older than pikmen thats what it really comes down to.

 

[vesperview]

uh yeah earthbound did in japan, got that info straightoff starmen.net. If you noticed what I was trying to point out, all of the series that didn't have more than one rep were from incredibly old series like earthbound or F-zero. So yeah, you argue that orginating date doesn't matter but proof from melee and the orginal smashbros says otherwise. Oh, and by the way I forgot to mention Pits in cause his series started way back in 1986. Face it, Olimars is out.

Ness is not the leading character from the first Mother game, unless you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, anyway, your logic is terrible and beyond ********, according to you how old does a franchise have to be in order to get represented? 2001 is not that new either, by your logic, no franchises can't get into Smash unless they date all the way back to 1990 or earlier.

 

[DeuceBlade]

If im not mistaken a certain pikmin trophy could only be obtained by having pikmin saved data... now I can only assume that either Miyamoto wanted this feature in because pikmin was his newest creation, or that sakurai wanted it in because he really likes the pikmin series, and clearly anything that sakurai likes gets into brawl.

Now lets bring Miyamoto back into the picture, so far all of Miyamoto's creations have joined the roster, with only 2 exceptions.. Nintendog (is now a AT) and Wave Race (was a trophy in melee), The inclusion of a wave race character would be ridiculous anyway. Olimar appeared as a trophy in Melee also, and there is also a bulborb trophy in brawl, So likely Olimar is already in brawl, as you could not have the bulborb trophy without him. Now I am not saying hes in as playable thats jumping to conclusions... but he will definately show his face, and my bet is as a playable character.

Miyamoto will probably want Olimar as playable, and he will probably work along side Sakurai designing him. Not to mention olimar's fan base is massive and he ranked high on the poll.

 

[Pieman0920]

Hello, and welcome to Drognars wishlist this a of characters I compiled for brawl(a wish list not a precidition list, mind you), if you don't like a character I have in my list please don't flame. So anyway here it is-
Mario-
1.Mario
2.Luigi
3.Peach
4.Bowser
5.Geno

Ew, Geno. I'll tell you that I don't agree, and move on from there, less some of those Geno fans come in and try to say otherwise with their self contradicting evidance. :O

Yoshi -
6.Birdo
7.Kamek
8.Yoshi

Oh my no. The Yoshi series will still only have 1, that's for sure. While that may seem bad, he is basically a Mario character, so ti doesn't matter all that much. Kamek for all intents and purposes is a generic character like Toad, while Birdo has never shown up in a single Yoshi game to my knowlege.

Metriod-
9.Samus
10.Dark Samus
11.Ridley

Ridley yes, but Dark Samus is very unlikely. Why? Because then we have three Samus characters. Now I know full well that DS wouldn't be a clone or anything like that, but it's still three characters at the end of the day with Samus in their name. There's a outside chance though, so whatever.

DK Series
12.Donkey Kong
13.Diddy Kong
14.Dixie Kong

I doubt this a great deal, though at least it isn't K. Rool. Still, the DK series has achieved a good balance with Diddy alone, so it really should stay at two.

Wario-
15.Wario
16.Ashley

Ashley's song was just that, a song. The character itself isn't that important to the series, and there are stronger canidates in it. That being said, it will still only be Waio.

Zelda-
17.Link
18.Zelda
19.Midna
20.Ganondorf

I don't know if you're including Sheik in this or not, since you didn't include ZSS, but if this is the case, then we've gone down in characters here. In any case, I doubt this line up a great deal because it's all TP and nothing else. That's why WW Link seems to be a good choice, since he represents WW, MC, PH, and other new games.

F-Zero-
21.Captian Falcon
22.Black Shadow

Ew, this is just wrong. Black Shadow has done nothing at all, and is clearly behind Goroh. Expanding a series just for the sake of brining its numbers up is a no-no.

3rd Party-
23.Snake
24.Sonic
25.Megaman

Why is this the first place where I have no problem? Anyways, technically Geno is here and with Mario at the same exact time. Freaky.

Earthbound-
26.Lucas
27.Ness
28.Claus

Hahaha Oh wow. You actually think Ness is coming back? That's a riot. Anyways, it's unlikely as it is Claus even has a chance, so I'm skeptical there, but I don't know the Mother series well enough to say anything about him. But really man, lose Ness. He's not coming back.

Kirby-
29.Dedede
30.Kirby
31.Metaknight

Good

Pokemon
32.Pokemon Trainer
33.Pikachu
34.Mewtwo

No, this won't do at all. There has to be at least one more here. Even if PT is three characters in one, we still just lost two Pokemon slots on the select screen, and it's one of Nintendo's biggest franchises.

Fire Emblem
35.Marth
36.Ayra
37.Ike

Though I didn't go through all the topic, I noticed you took a bit of arguing about Ayra. And rightfully so. There's no way she's getting in over Micaiah. Man it looks like you facts on her are completely wrong as well. =/

Kid Icarus-
38.Pit
39.Pualutena

Lose Pualutena. She's not getting is as playable after that FS Pit has.

Starfox
40.Fox
41.Krystal
42.Wolf

Falco will get in before Wolf does. Falco's much more important to the franchise, popular, and was actually in Melee last time. Wolf's just a generic dark rival of Fox, who essentially is a recolor. You want to play as Wolf? Play as dark Fox.

Anymonous
43.Ice Climbers

Oh man, epic fail. First off, Game & Watch is coming back. Second off, you didn't add in any new franchises at all. What's with that? Pikmin, Animal Crossing, and loads of others deserve a chance, especially over some of the stuff you put in.

3/10 overall. =/

 

[DemonicDragon]

Ness is not the leading character from the first Mother game, unless you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, anyway, your logic is terrible and beyond ********, according to you how old does a franchise have to be in order to get represented? 2001 is not that new either, by your logic, no franchises can't get into Smash unless they date from 1990 or earlier.

Oh yeah, its ninten, who look suspicously like ness. My logic is this if there series or character was introduced in the classic era-1986-1997, and are trademarks are of nintendo that character stands a suitable chance of getting in in brawl, depending on how popular their series is, and what roles they play=directly effects whether.
Ike-is in because he represents how fire emblem is now.
Wario-Has been the star of the wario series
Pit-orginated in Kid Icarus, along time ago, the games been remade several times becauses of its popularity
Pokemon-1995, and was a given for smash because of emense popularity.

 

[vesperview]

LMAO at the people who want both Claus and Ness in Brawl.

Oh yeah, its ninten, who look suspicously like ness.

You mean Ness looks like Ninten right?

My logic is this if there series or character was introduced in the classic era-1986-1997, and are trademarks are of nintendo that character stands a suitable chance of getting in in brawl, depending on how popular their series is, and what roles they play=directly effects whether.
Ike-is in because he represents how fire emblem is now.
Wario-Has been the star of the wario series
Pit-orginated in Kid Icarus, along time ago, the games been remade several times becauses of its popularity

I still don't understand how this decreases Olimar's chances at all.

 

[RegalBuster]

Ew, Geno. I'll tell you that I don't agree, and move on from there, less some of those Geno fans come in and try to say otherwise with their self contradicting evidance. :O

I doubt this a great deal, though at least it isn't K. Rool.

Hahaha Oh wow. You actually think Ness is coming back? That's a riot. Anyways, it's unlikely as it is Claus even has a chance, so I'm skeptical there, but I don't know the Mother series well enough to say anything about him. But really man, lose Ness. He's not coming back.

Geno deserves to be in Brawl, as Does K. Rool!

Hahaha Oh Wow. Do you actually have solic proof that Ness isn't coming back?

 

[vesperview]

Geno deserves to be in Brawl, as Does K. Rool!

Hahaha Oh Wow. Do you actually have solic proof that Ness isn't coming back?

It's beyond obvious Ness isn't returning and if you have that Claus banner in your signature, you should know that.

 

[DemonicDragon]

LMAO at the people who want both Claus and Ness in Brawl.



You mean Ness looks like Ninten right?



I still don't understand how this decreases Olimar's chances at all.

Dude, your a ****** olimars series was started 4 years after the classic era. He still doesn't a have stage or a symbol. BTW- geno is in my list,******.

 

[RegalBuster]

Well i really want Ness to return...but if he doesn't than i'd want Claus.

 

[vesperview]

Dude, your a ****** olimars series was started 4 years after the classic era. He still doesn't a have stage or a symbol.

Dude, you're a stupid idiot who thinks the year a series started actually influences their chances, GTFO!

 

[smashbot226]

Wolf won't make it before Krystal, I can almost guarantee it.

He can make it before Falco.

*Runs away before angry Falco fans starts to pummel me*

 

[vesperview]

He can make it before Falco.

*Runs away before angry Falco fans starts to pummel me*

You read how my post said Krystal right?

 

[Copperpot]

For the love of macaroni, people. Give the guy a break. He specified that this is a wish list, not a prediction thread. Just because he doesn't share the same confidence or interest in said character as you, doesn't mean that you need to bash him for it. Sure, he backed himself into a corner with his arguments, but he shouldn't be there to begin with.

Hell, I think King K. Rool is a terrible character. I think he should have been scrapped a long time ago. I think it should be illegal to produce public documentation of his existence. Does that affect his chances for Brawl at all? No. Get over yourselves.

 

[DemonicDragon]

Dude, you're a stupid idiot who thinks the year a series started actually influences their chances, GTFO!

Your just in denial cause you know your precious captian olimar doesn't qualify.
The blatant fact is pikmins not classic and has a lack of games over the years,you get GTFO! This thread has been a flame long enough, go take your overwhelming stuppity elsewhere.

 

[DemonicDragon]

For the love of macaroni, people. Give the guy a break. He specified that this is a wish list, not a prediction thread. Just because he doesn't share the same confidence or interest in said character as you, doesn't mean that you need to bash him for it. Sure, he backed himself into a corner with his arguments, but he shouldn't be there to begin with.

Hell, I think King K. Rool is a terrible character. I think he should have been scrapped a long time ago. I think it should be illegal to produce public documentation of his existence. Does that affect his chances for Brawl at all? No. Get over yourselves.

thank you,copperpot.

 

[RegalBuster]

thank you,copperpot.

it was kinda your fault these arguments were happening.

 

[DemonicDragon]

not really vesperview had a problem with my character list, I'll admit that I didn't make an attempt to stop it,though.

 

[vesperview]

Your just in denial cause you know your precious captian olimar doesn't qualify.The blatant fact is pikmins not classic and has a lack of games over the years,you get GTFO!

You're just bordering complete idiocy right now, unless you have actual proof that a series has to have started in the retro years or at least in the SNES days in order to "qualify" you're the biggest idiot I've seen on these boards.

go take your overwhelming stuppity elsewhere.

This is coming from a guy who writes "stuppity" instead of stupidity.

EPIC FAIL!

 

[RegalBuster]

Yeah Captain Olimer does deserve to be in the game and if he is then i'm gonna rub it in your face.

 

[DemonicDragon]

You're just bordering complete idiocy right now, unless you have actual proof that a series has to have started in the retro years or at least in the SNES days in order to "qualify" you're the biggest idiot I've seen on these boards.



This is coming from a guy who writes "stuppity" instead of stupidity.

EPIC FAIL!

I do have proof, the last 2 smash games. No newer characters were added only more retros.

 

[vesperview]

I do have proof, the last 2 smash games. No newer characters were added only more retros.

How is that proof? Again, by your logic, Pokemon should've never been represented, this is Brawl, not Melee nor 64, there were no newer franchises worthy of being represented at the time either way, because Pikmin was still too new and Golden Sun hadn't been released.

 

[DekuBoy]

K.ROOL!!!!!! Dixie won't get in before him. I like Ness there though!

 

[RegalBuster]

How is that proof? Again, by your logic, Pokemon should've never been represented, this is Brawl, not Melee nor 64, there were no newer franchises worthy of being represented at the time either way, because Pikmin was still too new and Golden Sun hadn't been released.

Yeah i agree totally.

 

[DemonicDragon]

Pokemon was created in 1995.they made the cut by 2 years. Ha, whos the hyprocrite now? According to your logic its doesn't matter when a character or series orginated therefore by your logic olimar should have made it to brawl
FAIL!!!!!!!

 

[vesperview]

Pokemon was created in 1995.they made the cut by 2 years. Ha, whos the hyprocrit, now? According to your logic its doesn't matter when a character or series orginated therefore by your logic olimar should have made it.

Pikmin was created in 2001, see what year this is? 2007! Pokemon had less years as a franchise back when the first Smash was released, I wouldn't have supported Olimar for Melee because the game barely had like a couple of months in the market, idiot.

Did someone say FAIL?

 

[RegalBuster]

Pikmin was created in 2001, see what year this is? 2007! Pokemon had less years as a franchise back when the first Smash was released, I wouldn't have supported Olimar for Melee because the game barely had like a couple of months in the market, idiot.

Did someone say FAIL?

DemonicDragon you fail!

If you don't want good characters in brawl...your ********.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Pokemon was created in 1995.they made the cut by 2 years. Ha, whos the hyprocrite now? According to your logic its doesn't matter when a character or series orginated therefore by your logic olimar should have made it to brawl
FAIL!!!!!!!

Pokemon was not classic at the time however, it was only a out for a little while when smash was started (1996 when released in Japan compared to development of smash in 1998, and it wasn't released in America until Smash brothers had been started).

That's far from retro, it has to be adjusted for the context.


And even if it was true, that's not proof, it just means that there were no characters that they wanted to put in for franchises that were more recent. Unless they stated that as the reasoning, the null hypothesis is that they are not discounting non-retro, so prove otherwise.

 

[vesperview]

DemonicDragon you fail!

If you don't want good characters in brawl...your ********.

He has Ashley in his sig, nuff said, BTW DemonicDragon, WarioWare is even more recent than Pikmin, you hypocrite.

 

[DemonicDragon]

Still pokemon yielded immense popularity, its the only exception. Unforunately for you pikmin is not a gold mine like pokemon was, especially in the days of smash and melee. Pikmin has only had to 2 games in whats it 8 years nows?! Yeah, it really look like pikmin has enough popularity to pass the system. agan vesperview you fail at paying attention it has nothing to do withwario ware and everything to do with wario himself. Wario was created in 1992,*******

 

[Pieman0920]

Geno deserves to be in Brawl, as Does K. Rool!

Hahaha Oh Wow. Do you actually have solic proof that Ness isn't coming back?

Oh, I didn't notice that someone posted at me. o_o

Anyways, Geno doesn't deserve, per say, to get in Brawl. Even if he does get in, there's no way he deserves it. He got one game and one cameo, and in his one game, he wasn't the star. With all the other pottential Mario characters out there, Geno doesn't deserve it at all. I know I have to stop being lazy and get back to the K. Rool thread though. >_>

As for Ness, my solic proof is what Sakurai has said regarding Ness. It's not just the fact that Ness was supposed to be replaced by Lucas back in melee, or the fact that Ness's moves have been basically given to Lucas either.

EDIT: Oh and TC, Olimar has more popularity than many of the characters you added in there, including Dark Samus, Palutina, Kamek, Birdo and more on your list.

 

[RegalBuster]

Ness can get new moves because there are enough PSI abilities.

 

[vesperview]

Still pokemon yielded immense popularity, its the only exception.

Hypocrite much?

Unforunately for you pikmin is not a gold mine like pokemon was, especially in the days of smash and melee. Pikmin has only had to 2 games in whats it 8 years nows?! Yeah, it really look like pikmin has enough popularity to pass the system.

Yet you have Ashley in your sig, who has only had two ******** cameos in some lame minigame videogame, that was released in 2003, wow, what a hypocrite!

 

[antimatter]

pieman, i doubt more people want olimar over dark samus.

 

[vesperview]

pieman, i doubt more people want olimar over dark samus.

More people want Olimar over Dark Samus.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Still pokemon yielded immense popularity, its the only exception. Unforunately for you pikmin is not a gold mine like pokemon was, especially in the days of smash and melee. Pikmin has only had to 2 games in whats it 8 years nows?! Yeah, it really look like pikmin has enough popularity to pass the system.

Erm, yeah, you have not PROVEN anything.

In fact all evidence opposes your conclusion of only "retro" franchises being eligible as characters.

The fact that you had to take an ad hoc addition (allowing the exception for Pokemon), does not help your case, but the lack of proof still kills it.



The most basic principal of logic is, "something does not exist unless you prove it exists", something which you're ignoring.

So prove it.

As for Ness, my solic proof is what Sakurai has said regarding Ness. It's not just the fact that Ness was supposed to be replaced by Lucas back in melee, or the fact that Ness's moves have been basically given to Lucas either.

Actually that's incorrect, Sakurai used a Japanese phrase that is translated as "until now", but is actually a statement of how it has been to the point, but has no indication of whether it will or will not continue, it's just a statement of fact. It was translated as "until now", but does not have the "it's over" indications that "until now" has.


Gotta love poor translation.....

 

[DemonicDragon]

Again, Ashley is part of wario series developed in 1992. Birdo is part of the mario series, and Dark Samus is part of the Metriod series which are all significantly more popular than pikmin. Its doesn't really matter the character but if they represent a classic or popular series. Adumbrodeus, sorry for my lack of understanding but can you explain your last post a bit more?

 

[DeuceBlade]

Don't let people make you believe Ness is out, Ness has not been deconfirmed by Sakurai, if anything all Sakurai has said is that Lucas and Ness come from the same family of PK users. Sakurai knows new people will be introduced into smash by brawl, so from my point of view, hes building up Ness as a rival to Lucas that can only be proven in brawl.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Again, Ashley is part of wario series developed in 1992. Birdo is part of the mario series, and Dark Samus is part of the Metriod series which are all significantly more popular than pikmin. Its doesn't really matter the character but if they represent a classic or popular series

In other words, you're completely changing your assumption, before you said it was just retro series, a significant difference from what you are saying now.


Just making it clear to all that your core principal in regards to this issue has changed.