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Donate for melee at evo 2013!!

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KrIsP!

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Let's all donate a reasonable amount. There's no harm dropping 5$ on breast cancer. And now Wizard is saying he doesn't want to let sony buy their way in but he would cause it's for charity.

Still though reasonable amounts....although they're also saying they don't have to disclose the amount of donations for what. I don't like this, not one bit. What's on the list though, is PSAS even a choice? Apparently UMVC2 isn't :p.
 

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If Mr. Wizard respects the communities of each game enough to let them decide, perhaps he'll let them play how they want.
 

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He also ran SFxT as a doubles only event last year. I wouldn`t trust him. Also correct me if I`m wrong, but Melee wasn`t streamed even when it was there due to issues with Nintendo or something.

So you are essentially donating to something that will get no hype or exposure.
It was streamed but with MLG they had issues. Not even issues, Nintendo never said they couldn't, apparently they just never responded to their request.
 

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So let's say, we need to raise 50,000 to win. That's cool and all, but couldn't we just apply that 50,0000 into one SMASH tournament? Why should we throw that money away, when the prizes would be substantially better at our own event? >>
Apex is pretty much our EVO at this point and it's great! However, it doesn't compare to the sheer magnitued that is EVO when you have over 3000+ people under a single roof and over 90,000+ people watching online! There is just NO WAY the smash community alone can accomplish those numbers!
 

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Apex is pretty much our EVO at this point and it's great! However, it doesn't compare to the sheer magnitued that is EVO when you have over 3000+ people under a single roof and over 90,000+ people watching online! There is just NO WAY the smash community alone can accomplish those numbers!
We don't need to accomplish it. We're a series of three games. We have managed to attract a world wide following and a pool of talented developers working on Project Melee. Why are you so eager to enter a room with 3,000 people that don't want you, or your game there? Why are you so desperately clawing at the chance to be groaned at by 90,000+ viewers when your game comes on the stream?

We are Smash. We're not Evo. We're not SRK. We need to be what we are.
 

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Apex is pretty much our EVO at this point and it's great! However, it doesn't compare to the sheer magnitued that is EVO when you have over 3000+ people under a single roof and over 90,000+ people watching online! There is just NO WAY the smash community alone can accomplish those numbers!
Like I said, even if Melee makes it, it`s unlikely to be given much if any stream time at all. Keep in mind that 8th place was clearly an afterthought. And even if it got on for a decent amount of time, the majority would just hate on it.

I just don`t see it being worth it. A lot of these charity drives aren`t trustworthy either.
 

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We don't need to accomplish it. We're a series of three games. We have managed to attract a world wide following and a pool of talented developers working on Project Melee. Why are you so eager to enter a room with 90,000 people that don't want you, or your game there?
So we can show them what we're made of and maybe attract some new players? Going into this whole Evo thing generalizing the whole FCG is just as bad as them excluding Smash players by similar generalizations.
 

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A quote from James Chen's blog after EVO 2007:

And Tekken definitely doesn't have to be bitter anymore. Although for a while they may have felt like the "outsiders" of Evo, that status has definitely been handed over to another game. Now, the most isolated community is the Super Smash Bros. Melee community. They have definitely taken the crown for the community that has every right to be bitter. Their game is never taken seriously by a large amount of Fighting Game players. Their game is always seen as "kiddie." Though they were a part of MLG, they were always relegated as a sideshow. Halo was the main event of MLG, and Smash was just a group of little kids, shunned by the Halo players and thrown into the back corner to play their tournament where they wouldn't disturb Halo. These players never seem to get any respect.


And yet, they are the furthest things from being bitter. I kept saying that the Guilty Gear community needs to learn to be professional and to take themselves seriously. Well, the Smash Bros. community is where they should look for an example. Just as with the Guilty Gear community, The Smash community has a game that some people frown upon. Both communities have players that have a bad stereotype associated with them (Guilty Gear players are often accused as being weird, anime-loving otakus and Smash players are always accused of being 6 year old Pokemon-loving kids or something). As a brand new community added to the Evolution line-up, the Smash Bros. players had every reason to come is very skeptical and behave very poorly.

But instead, they decided to prove why they deserve respect and why they deserve to remain at future Evolution tournaments. The players came out in droves, becoming instantly one of the largest tournaments at Evo in terms of number of contestants. The players showed up for the pools on time and were extremely cooperative with whoever was running the brackets. There wasn't even a big stink made over the decision to turn the pools and semis to best-of-1 game. The players were not happy with the decision, but they played through it. And no one seems to believe the results were "tainted" by that rule change. And on the Finals of Smash Bros., the community was there in full force, cheering their game on. It didn't seem like they were worried if non-Smash players were enjoying it because they were enjoying it too much themselves to care. But because their crowd added a lot of energy to the game, it ended up making it that much more fun for those unfamiliar with Smash to enjoy it as well.

And that's why I like this community so much. They know who they are and they know where they stand. And they are better off for it. There were two main things that surprised me about this community. First of all, they are all very competitive and skilled, but were extremely good natured and friendly to each other. There was a lot of respect among players. Someone joked to me how footage of Smash players involved more handshakes and hugs than any other game.

The other thing that really surprised me about Smash was how deep its history is. From talking to the top 8 players that qualified for the Finals, I was very pleased to discover just how much the community has gone through and grown. It was almost as if Evo had just walked into a movie that was already in progress. There were stories of Ken's early domination and subsequent early retirement... only to return to tournaments for this past Evo. There were stories of East Coast dominance being threatened by an emerging group of top-level West Coast Smash players. There were stories of wanting really badly to prove that certain perceived mid-tier characters could dominate. And there was a lot of stories regarding their history with MLG (both good and bad).

They already have their celebrities. And with them, they could have their upsets and grudges and hugely anticipated matches. They are already a fully established community and, frankly, even if Evo never picked them up or drops them next year, I can't imagine they would lose any momentum. And I took strong notice of that. This community has already built itself up and is already self-sustaining. It's a model Fighting Game community.

The Smash community should be used as a blue print for many of the other budding communities. Whether you are King of the Fighters fans, Melty Blood fans, Arcana Heart fans... hell, even Street Fighter Alpha 3 fans, the key to getting your game into the lime light is building up your community. Everyone likes to say that being included in Evo is what breathes life into games. While I do admit it helps a lot, I still believe that a game thrives solely on its community. It has very little to do with the inclusion into Evo. In fact, inclusion into Evo is usually the result of a strong community or a potential for a strong community.
 

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When Melee was at EVO in 07, it ran just fine.

I don't see what every getting so worked up about...
 

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So we can show them what we're made of and maybe attract some new players? Going into this whole Evo thing generalizing the whole FCG is just as bad as them excluding Smash players by similar generalizations.
I'm being realistic. We are doing fine. We are going to do even better once AZ is done finishing up the forums since now the power is in the hands of a true fan. We don't need Evo.
 

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Can we AT LEAST save the boobies?? i mean, thats almost kinda the whole reason i made this thread.........
 

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Can we AT LEAST save the boobies?? i mean, thats almost kinda the whole reason i made this thread.........
You've been free to donate money to Cancer Research all your life. You shouldn't need a prompt to do what you feel is right.
 

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We don't need to accomplish it. We're a series of three games. We have managed to attract a world wide following and a pool of talented developers working on Project Melee. Why are you so eager to enter a room with 3,000 people that don't want you, or your game there? Why are you so desperately clawing at the chance to be groaned at by 90,000+ viewers when your game comes on the stream?

We are Smash. We're not Evo. We're not SRK. We need to be what we are.
the community will never grow with this attitude

it's worth a shot. this opportunity doesn't come every day. if it doesn't work out, so what? on to the next one. our community is strong enough to live through it.

it's a win win situation.
 

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Yeah before this I felt like Evo didn't mean all that much for us but no one can deny it would be amazing exposure and knock down misconceptions. It's nothing but good getting in...it's all bad throwing money away. We need to crowd source this, give a realistic amount, no 100$+ from redact. Srsly though, it's still a charity so give to them like you would any other charity, nothing you would miss.

What's the list of games though, people forget that it's like...a small list, two are smash, 7 are in Evo and apparently MvC2 isn't on it. Is PSAS on there? It has to be over 500 points.
 

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We don't need EVO but it'd sure be nice for us to get in. Melee is a dying game. That's why we should try our best to sustain and express the remaining vitality. What better way to do this than getting the chance for exposure at one of the biggest stages for competitive gaming?

I already posted the list. The most troublesome games are: CvS2, Super Turbo, Guilty Gear, PSASBR, Injustice. Maybe Melty Blood if you're feeling generous LOL
 

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Can we AT LEAST save the boobies?? i mean, thats almost kinda the whole reason i made this thread.........
I do as well, but Komen foundation is shady a f*ck.

EDIT: Looks like it might not be Komen, thank god.
 

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We don't need EVO but it'd sure be nice for us to get in. Melee is a dying game. That's why we should try our best to sustain and express the remaining vitality. What better way to do this than getting the chance for exposure at one of the biggest stages for competitive gaming?

I already posted the list. The most troublesome games are: CvS2, Super Turbo, Guilty Gear, PSASBR, Injustice.
But it`s not likely to be good exposure. Even if it`s stream the majority will just hate it. And that`s assuming it makes it and is streamed which is not that likely considering companies can donate as well.

Heck they are not even going to disclose the amounts, that means Melee could win and they could still pretend it didn`t. And as the other poster said a lot of these charity drives are untrustworthy to begin with. For all we know the money is going directly into their own pockets or to Evo TOs.

By all means gamble and waste your money for a lost cause. Just don`t think think it will magically make the FGC respect Smash and create 20000+ new players.
 

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I'm being realistic. We are doing fine. We are going to do even better once AZ is done finishing up the forums since now the power is in the hands of a true fan. We don't need Evo.
For the love of god, get real already. This is a community based around a slowly-waning game that's 12 years old, with a sequel out for 5 years that nobody wants to play. We are still considered a laughingstock outside our groups, and the one time we get the rest of the FGC to adknowledge our existence, they don't believe it to be legit. Our majors barely pass the four digits where other fighting games can get 10k easy, and there are legitimate players that would love to play smash, but don't, because there's no competition (bum is the best example I can get off-hand). That is the polar opposite of "fine".

We need a way to tell people "hey, our game is as good as yours, and we're willing to fight for it to be acknowledged alongside it". Maybe not with this, sure. But we do need something.
 

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I see it this way: We get into Evo and prove ourselves - we don't get into Evo and life continues as usual - we get into Evo and someone ****s it all up and we lose the nonexistent respect of the FGC. We win most of the ways you spin it.
 

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We need to crowd source this, give a realistic amount, no 100$+ from redact.
Ahahaha. Redact will come along at the last second and save the day like he always does.
I'll give my thoughts in a second but please hold your excitement

Don't blow this up like the FB poll. Please. Calm down.
I'm like 99% sure this whole charity thing is happening because of the poll. No way to prove it, but it feels that way.


Anyways... forget EVO. Rather give my money to Genesis 3's boobies.
 

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+1 for making a good stride towards approaching this opportunity. I can't see any real downsides to this and who says Melee can't be the next King of Fighters in terms of becoming a pleasantly surprising and exciting time at an event not typically known for it? Don't buy into past stereotypes, past is past, let's roll on forward.
 

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eh...after some thought i don't really think it's worth it. for the reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread.

  • $ put into our own events would be very optimized relative to how evo would handle melee
  • evo's opinion of melee is pretty clear at this point. dunno if it would even be run well...kind of goes back to the 1st point of being confident in our own community's dedication to excellence
  • the 2-birds-with-one-stone thing (breast cancer + evo) isn't really worth it. id rather just donate to a charity of my choosing rather than breast cancer which already rakes in a bunch of $ as someone already mentioend
ignore this im kind of neutral about this again
 

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I see it this way: We get into Evo and prove ourselves - we don't get into Evo and life continues as usual - we get into Evo and someone ****s it all up and we lose the nonexistent respect of the FGC. We win most of the ways you spin it.
basically.

people are looking at this like if we DO get in, the big bad bullies in the fgs will steal our lunch money and the community will die forever.

give me a break.

there is no downside to this, assuming it's run by a member of the community and the players are down to support it.
 

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losing *potential* resources for our own events is a downside

ignore this im kind of neutral about this again
 

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i just thought about this. Even IF melee got into EVO, who would actually attend?? Consider that most of us are spending lot of money to go to APEX. Would we want to spend alot of money again just to get to EVO?? Also consider that we may have melee regionals/nationals throught the year(possibility of genesis 3). Would we be willing to put Evo over those possible regionals/nationals?? Is EVO really worth it??


The answer to that is: DIVEKICK FOR EVO 2013!!!
 

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If you can provide at least four different quotations from higher level EVO staff members speaking to the fact they don't like Melee and/or it's scene i'll believe the anti-hype
 

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Its a waste. Sony, Warner, Tecmo, etc. will just pay to have their game in and build good publicity. This **** will not be decided by the melee or FGC communities at all. It sucks since I've been playing marvle for the last ten years and this would spur me and a lot others to get back into the melee game...
 

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basically.

people are looking at this like if we DO get in, the big bad bullies in the fgs will steal our lunch money and the community will die forever.

give me a break.

there is no downside to this, assuming it's run by a member of the community and the players are down to support it.
Yes there is absolutely no downside to an extremely self-loathing, desperate and naive community throwing away its money in a gamble to people that clearly will never respect them.

Oh wait.
 

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losing *potential* resources for our own events is a downside
potent--? No one donates for Apex and we're not donating to have another good tourney...it's the exposure. I don't like how they did this, it should be a set amount to donate for one vote, no safeguards here other than a whole for your money covered up by a good cause.

I still say donate a reasonable amount, nothing you miss. No one is going into debt over this and 1$ means 6k+ lol.

edit: just wait till SRK is back up and feel this out, don't dismiss the idea so quickly, don't drop an entire pay cheque on it either. They're not going to add a game, make up their own rule set and have no one show up/pay them anyways. And they do turn things off for other games.
 
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