Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Griffard]

Did not know that tidbit Gea, gracias.

 

[VGmasta]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I already know about the Falcon matchup guys. Nevermind all that, I didn't realize you guys wouldn't see what I saw.

Shroomed is obviously doing the best tournament wise, I'll never take that away from him. And you can see the guy smiling from ten thousand miles away, lol.
But...

New smashboards is ***, I may be done here

You always say that, lol

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

Im only a scrub doc but y r other people playing doc. we shud retire doc cuz im not black and shroomed is too good. Just as falco shud retire for shiz and marth for m2k, doc needs to be honored for shroomed. Only doc who can **** a shiek and tech a bob$ fsmash 69 times b4 dying. Good ****, U mad Dogy? <3

 

[Max?]

lmao, ****ing scrubs

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

Yo, dont be afraid to go out and get those offensive fouls. Flopping is not frowned upon. wen u got a asshole marth dtilt fsmash spamming on the ledge, tech dat ****. Shroomed playin some good d, then u getta fast break and u dunk tht *****

 

[fortunecookie]

hey guys just wondering if doc's late uair beats crouch cancelling because I think I read somewhere that falcon's late Uair does and doc's uair looks pretty similar to falcon's.... In fact what does doc have in general to beat CC besides fair?

edit: by late uair, I mean the strong early hit of the uair lol

 

[Naota21t]

unfortunately doc doesn't really have much to beat CC on approach. If you go in with nair you're asking to get ****ed up. Pill to cover, or just go for grabs at early percents when they can still CC.

 

[fortunecookie]

damnn but doc's grab range is soo small. I wish he had no landlag after pills . Can the strong hit of doc's nair beat CC?

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

Any tips on Pill Rush, I like to space 2 rising pills into a waveland to control space. And is SHFF pill effective cuz theres so much landing lag.

 

[mallu000]

Any tips on Pill Rush, I like to space 2 rising pills into a waveland to control space. And is SHFF pill effective cuz theres so much landing lag.

It's very situational against any character in the game and depends highly on the stage you're playing at. Almost all the Top and High characters can **** you instantly if you go too pill-happy. Mix up your pills and be smart about it. I think it helps if you think pills as a way to block movement and attack lanes for your enemy. Don't think about hitting him with pills, just creating pressure to force your opponent go defensive/attack/stop spamming or whatever.

 

[Max?]

hey guys just wondering if doc's late uair beats crouch cancelling because I think I read somewhere that falcon's late Uair does and doc's uair looks pretty similar to falcon's.... In fact what does doc have in general to beat CC besides fair?

edit: by late uair, I mean the strong early hit of the uair lol

The OP of this thread should have info on what %'s Uair beats CC vs. various characters. If not oops, I lost it. Dsmash is pretty good, and you can always play around someone CCing you as long as you're smart

 

[KirbyKaze]

Any tips on Pill Rush, I like to space 2 rising pills into a waveland to control space. And is SHFF pill effective cuz theres so much landing lag.

You're not Falco.

 

[prog]

hai guyz how du i duck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbrW27oSnu8

 

[Frisbie]

hai guyz how du i duck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbrW27oSnu8

Omg dtilt

I've actually been able to use dtilt quite usefully. It sucks ass at low percents, but if you CC->dtilt someone when they're high percent, it's like the most hilarious thing ever, and it ***** even harder if they're holding down.

 

[Vyke]

Doc's D-tilt is my favorite move of his.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

tier shud be revised cuz doc clearly > falcon,marth,peach,shiek
docs only hard mu's is jiggs cuz shiek and marth are *******, peach is a girl, and falcon is a worser char
a good idea to all fox main would be to always have a pocket doc
2013 tier- falco,fox,jiggs,doc/ shiek,marth,falcon,peach/

 

[Mr.Lemon]

I've gimped more people then I should have with d.tilt. Nobody sees it coming.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

lets talk doc's keys to victory:
pill spacing
tech chase
bair gimps
good mindgames
nice grab game
guaranteed dthrow kobe
underrated doc's upsmash, i really like upsmash techchase its just like a fox (honestly doc's only tough mus are shiek and marth but u can edgeguard both exceptionally well. Any thoughts on approaching either shiek or marth?

 

[Shroomed]

I haven't been around because the new smashboards sucks, and I probably won't be.

They ruined all my settings and stuff

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

just wanted everyone to know how broken this edgeguard is with doc
pill-> uair off stage is guaranteed death and u can get back
its like a falcon weak knee-> uair and a fox bair->shine

 

[poega]

rev uair or frontal? Cus otherwise it's really not the most devastating move ya feel?

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

lol frontal dude it looks flashy as hell

 

[VGmasta]

Yeah, this new smashboards is wacky! I can't find anything as conveniently as I could before.

I wish I was still very active with melee. But I work so much now. I barely have time to stop and smell the roses.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

looks like noone cares about doc anymore. jk, its because new smashboards sucks and shroomed and otg said **** this stupid ****.
so theres no moar doc boards
real talk

 

[Max?]

What is there to talk about? Ive been coming to this forum for like 8 years and I dont see anything new being discussed. If you guys have questions I'll try to answer them, tho I don't come here as often as I once did, nor do I have patience for dumb questions.

Recently I've been playing again after taking a 4 or 5 month break and I've been coming up with some new technology.

 

[poega]

I'd like to discuss or atleast give yet another shoutout to up-b outta shield. I think we've reached the point where pro docs no longer will get away with not knowing this obviously beneficial trick. The next national-level doc will know it like his own [whatever i'm supposed to say here].

Right now we're samuses and peaches not using up+b.

 

[Max?]

Its definitely really good. Try to land only the first hit for best results

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

Its definitely really good. Try to land only the first hit for best results

reverse upb? sounds really good
and this is what you need to do to open options, add %, and alot of stuff
im so tight that the way i learned to upb cancel makes me roll in shiels
any tips on how you guys doit
i go up left down left but i dont know how people go upleft up right
i have it down so nice but i cant do it in shield without rolling
this should be a common problem among docs

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Summoning Mr. Lemon.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Nintendude]

I wanna see Docs start up-B canceling out of shield.

 

[prog]

What is there to talk about? Ive been coming to this forum for like 8 years and I dont see anything new being discussed. If you guys have questions I'll try to answer them, tho I don't come here as often as I once did, nor do I have patience for dumb questions.

Recently I've been playing again after taking a 4 or 5 month break and I've been coming up with some new technology.

I showed the world the prog at APEX.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

I showed the world the prog at APEX.

our docs need more "i dont give a **** mentality and kobe off stage moar

inb4 mr lemon

 

[Max?]

I showed the world the prog at APEX.

And it's still not ready. The people still aren't ready for the Tomahawk jank

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

lets talk doc in teams again
like it hasnt a million times in the docboards
but heres my thoughts on who you want as a teamate
jiggs fox or shiek
those are always just amazing as doc can just stock hold and let aggro chars like fox go in and destroy
also puff can rest every time doc grabs

 

[boss8]

good stuff dajuan at KOC2

doc is such a problem.....

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

shroomed owns with any of his characters
cant wait to see him at evo
what docs are goin evo guys?

 

[WumpaWolfy]

Hey guys I'm just getting back into wanting to get competitive after a long hiatus. I've been trying to analyze my playing and I think one area I need to improve is my movement. Watching pro players weave around the stage looks so fluid and I wanted to know what you guys do to practice it and what goes through your mind. For example how often do you move for the sake of not standing still/observing enemy behaviour/baiting an attack? How much of this is at a conscious level? Where I'm at is that I've mastered wave dashing and dash dancing (from a technical standpoint) but I don't feel I integrate them effectively enough into my game. I mainly use wavedashing for dsmash punishes, retreating ftilts, escaping my shield, and ledgehogging, and dash dancing...for trying to be tricky and getting brutally punished. I've had more success since I began mixing the two but with doc's speed I find it far more difficult to use it effectively in comparison to a speedy character like fox.

Also what causes a tech jump exactly? I swear I tech jump instead of teching the ledge like 80 percent of the time, so heart breaking. I figured it would be moving the control stick in the opposite direction of the wall after the tech, but I usually hold towards it so I can DI for the tech. Anyways any help would be appreciated!

 

[username12345678]

Hey guys I'm just getting back into wanting to get competitive after a long hiatus. I've been trying to analyze my playing and I think one area I need to improve is my movement. Watching pro players weave around the stage looks so fluid and I wanted to know what you guys do to practice it and what goes through your mind. For example how often do you move for the sake of not standing still/observing enemy behaviour/baiting an attack? How much of this is at a conscious level? Where I'm at is that I've mastered wave dashing and dash dancing (from a technical standpoint) but I don't feel I integrate them effectively enough into my game. I mainly use wavedashing for dsmash punishes, retreating ftilts, escaping my shield, and ledgehogging, and dash dancing...for trying to be tricky and getting brutally punished. I've had more success since I began mixing the two but with doc's speed I find it far more difficult to use it effectively in comparison to a speedy character like fox.

Also what causes a tech jump exactly? I swear I tech jump instead of teching the ledge like 80 percent of the time, so heart breaking. I figured it would be moving the control stick in the opposite direction of the wall after the tech, but I usually hold towards it so I can DI for the tech. Anyways any help would be appreciated!

If you're holding up while you tech (or pressing one of the jump buttons), you'll tech jump.

 

[KirbyKaze]

What is there to talk about? Ive been coming to this forum for like 8 years and I dont see anything new being discussed. If you guys have questions I'll try to answer them, tho I don't come here as often as I once did, nor do I have patience for dumb questions.

Recently I've been playing again after taking a 4 or 5 month break and I've been coming up with some new technology.

Oh, the tragedy of the poking character forums. How does one poke better?

 

[Max?]

Oh, the tragedy of the poking character forums. How does one poke better?

Tis the truth