Did Nintendo Really Removed Clones Characters

[Lézard_Tekno]

nintendo replace what we called clones in smash 4 by echo in smash ultimate but is this all ?


I say that there are 5 types of relations beetween two characters
Here they are


The costumes : the exactly same moveset and hitbox, hurtbox Example : Alph is the costume of olimar

The echo : you what is it : the same characters but with litlle differences Example : Dark pit is the echo of pit

The clone : the same characters with differences that influence how to play him Example : Dr.Mario is the clone of Mario

The semi-clone : there many differences with some similarities Example : Lucas is the semi-clone of ness

The different : there can be some similarities but most of the times you play it completely different Example : litlle mac is different with ganondorf

 

[Wario Bros.]

Echo Fighter is just a fancy word for clone. And I don't understand "different" and especially its example you've given.

 

[HypnoMaster372]

Did u just say that is a clone of , because he is definitely not. They both might be hard hitters but that doesn’s make Mac come close to classify as a Ganondorf clone since their move sets are not even remotely similar.

Anyway, to properly answer ur question - Nope.

A Clone is a character who their moves are primarily based on that of another character (or in the case of Wolf, be from a multitude of characters,) but are not exactly the same in function & animation, thus in combination with their own personal weight, size, fall speed, walking & running speed, vertical aerial movement etc., clones will offer a MUCH different playstyle compared to the original character.

Echoes are more so glorified costumes, in the sense that along with completely changing the character, they also have tweaked properties for several of their moves, enough so that they can (slightly) change how you play the character, thus they are then given their own spot on the CSS to reflect their slightly altered playstyle. They also take much less time to develop in contrast to most clones due to just being a pre-existing character with slightly altered properties & character-suitable animations.

Hopefully I helped to further explain the differences between Clones & Echoes.

 

[Lézard_Tekno]

Did u just say that is a clone of , because he is definitely not. They both might be hard hitters but that doesn’s make Mac come close to classify as a Ganondorf clone since their move sets are not even remotely similar.

Anyway, to properly answer ur question - Nope.

A Clone is a character who their moves are primarily based on that of another character (or in the case of Wolf, be from a multitude of characters,) but are not exactly the same in function & animation, thus in combination with their weight, size, fall speed, walking & running speed, vertical aerial movement etc., clones will offer a MUCH different playstyle compared to the original character.

Echoes are more so glorified costumes, in the sense that along with completely changing the character, they also have tweaked properties for several of their moves, enough so that they can (slightly) change how you play the character, thus they are then given their own spot on the CSS to reflect their slightly altered playstyle. They also take much less time to develop in contrast to most clones due to just being a pre-existing character with slightly altered properties & character-suitable animations.

Hopefully I helped to further explain the differences between Clones & Echoes.

no i mean they are not clones

 

[CrusherMania1592]

no i mean they are not clones

I think you should've worded that better


To answer your question, not really. Echo fighters is just another term for clones.

 

[praline]

Dr. Mario is a semi clone of Mario, not a clone.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Echo Fighters are just the official name for Clones

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Echo Fighters are a new type of Clone that is very different from previous games(Smash 4 aside, which introduced them, though not by name). The other kinds of clones are fairly different, mainly due to how similar they are to the base character. It's pretty various. Clones still exist, and Smash Ultimate gave a name to a new type of clone. Not much really changed. All it was is that Dark Pit and Lucina got a proper title for their specific style of clone. That's kind of it.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'll just state that the following determines if a fighter qualifies as an Echo Fighter or not...

• The fighter has to originate from the same franchise as the fighter whom he/she is mimicking.
• The stats and attributes have to be exactly alike. This includes mobility, jumping, weight, and knockback resistance.
• The moveset has to be (almost) exactly alike, which especially includes the special moves. However, there can be damage (in the case of Lucina and her more balanced sword) and knockback differences, and the Final Smashes don't necessarily have to be alike either.

Hardly any of the Melee clone fighters qualify as being Echo Fighters. In fact, Dr. Mario is the only fighter in Melee who came the closest to being Mario's Echo Fighter, and he probably would've been if his mobility and jumping abilities weren't reduced.

 

[Jamison]

It's just a PR stunt because we often use clones in smash with a negative connotation, often implying the characters are too similar or that the devs were lazy in a character's creation not giving them enough unique differences. I think semi-clones like Fox and Falco who are very different are good but characters like Lucina or Dark Pit would be better off just being a skin like Alph is to Olimar. Calling them echoes doesn't make them any less of a clone but it opens the door for them to throw in some more cloned characters like Dark Samus being a clone of Samus or Dixie Kong being a clone of Diddy. While most would prefer Dixie actually be different than Diddy the fact they have rebranded it as an "echo fighter" means they can just use that when Dixie Kong's moveset isn't unique because now we expect it to be a clone of Diddy's so our expectations are tempered and clones will be met with less hostility.

But IMO a semi-clone is always better than an echo fighter. But an echo fighter is better than nothing.

 

[Oddball]

Echo Fighters are just clones.

And some clones are more clone-ish than other clones. I feel there really isn't enough of them to really justify breaking clones into multiple categories and arguing what counts as differences and what doesn't.