CO18
Smash Hero
Not necessarily it could be, but predicting a roll towards you and charging a dsmash is a very common thing.
I still don't exactly get the buuman trap lol id like to see exactly what is
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Dedede Database (The *Buuman trap* included) UPDATED 7/17/09
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I still don't exactly get the buuman trap lol id like to see exactly what is
Buuman
Smash Ace
Ahaha, thanks doom for finding that vid, but that wasn't it. I should be getting a vid of it up soon from Godathand, I just need our tourney match from him.
Also CO, I guess the best way to describe it...is lets say you're near the edge of the stage, you down throw someone so if they roll away from you, the ledge stops there roll, and at this point u can charge a down smash, during the charge dedede leans back avoiding most get up attacks if u space it right, then no matter which input your opponent does at this point, they will get hit. If they roll to the edge, the difference between that and getting up in pace should be negligible, so regardless they will get hit if they roll away or get up in place. If the get up attack, it should miss if u space it right, and start the d smash charge at the right time, and if they roll towards you, release the smash accordingly
Also CO, I guess the best way to describe it...is lets say you're near the edge of the stage, you down throw someone so if they roll away from you, the ledge stops there roll, and at this point u can charge a down smash, during the charge dedede leans back avoiding most get up attacks if u space it right, then no matter which input your opponent does at this point, they will get hit. If they roll to the edge, the difference between that and getting up in pace should be negligible, so regardless they will get hit if they roll away or get up in place. If the get up attack, it should miss if u space it right, and start the d smash charge at the right time, and if they roll towards you, release the smash accordingly
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
the reason this wont work is cuz the mk can just wait for ur charge.
if he does, ur charge is gona end before hes forced to get up, and so he can just wait to see the attack, then time his roll/getup with invincability so it doesnt hit him.
Fail?
but tru, it should catch lesser players off guard sometimes maybe
if he does, ur charge is gona end before hes forced to get up, and so he can just wait to see the attack, then time his roll/getup with invincability so it doesnt hit him.
Fail?
but tru, it should catch lesser players off guard sometimes maybe
T3h Albino
Smash Master
i think you space it so even if they dont get up they still get hit
CO18
Smash Hero
He doesn't mean that. He means the opponent waiting until they see you release the downsmash then use their get up invincibility frames to escape and most likely punish.
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
i definitely get how do to it, and either
A) buuman overlooked what i pointed out
or
B) it just hasnt happened to him
its a really good mindgame, there being only one safe answer to it. most mk's will prolly roll or react to the charge, instead of waiting.
but if we're making a guide on stuff, it shouldnt be based off of hoping, it should be what will and will not work on the smartest of opponents.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Neither actually. What I left out, is wait about a second or so after the down throw, then begin the charge accordingly, NEVER immediately start the down smash charge. 99% of the time I just wait and watch the character..and as soon as I see them move 1 frame, I start charging the down smash. Trust me, this works...I wouldn't post if it didn't.
I never said this was easy. Timing does go into this. always watch your opponent. And I should have a video up of this soon, I landed it three times in a tourney match against one of the best zeldas on the east coast. I actually just received the videa, so if anyone wan't to see it before it goes on you tube let me know.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Buuman
Smash Ace
Fixed and Updated with tons of new stuff, get at it 
sMexy-Blu
Smash Lord
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Took from here http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510
Credit goes to K Prime for this frame data.
As you can see King DeDeDe's Forward and Back roll are the exact same and our Air Dodge sucks but Spot Dodge is awesome.
Add that frame data Buuman.
More Info:
Dedede can B-reverse all of his B moves.
Dedede weight is 1.071(4th heaviest)
Dedede Horizontal Air Speed is 2.10 (he has the worst one)
Dedede Fall Speed is 0.29 (relatively fast)
The stars from the Up B cause 5%
Buuman
Smash Ace
Updated today :D
Jupz
Smash Master
Once again, this thread is amazing buuman :D So many nice facts and tips 
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Just for fun I'll mention the stupid funny CG Diddy has on D3. But not say what it is.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Wow ace...really? xD
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Yes, really.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Does anyone else want this stickied?
Jupz
Smash Master
Yeah get it stickied!!! Also are you talking about the banana choke chaingrab?
Also are you talking about the banana choke chaingrab?
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Aww... ruin my fun. I wanted to lord this over buuman at the next tourney we were at.
skaterbaj
Smash Lord
wow this really was a good read. thanks for this info and im going for the trap next tourney
Buuman
Smash Ace
evidently Atomsk used the Buuman trap against Darc at the ECRC 2 tourney >,>
sMexy-Blu
Smash Lord
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If you don't want none one to use the "Buuman Trap" you shouldn't have posted it <_<
Buuman
Smash Ace
Who said I didn't want him to use it. Darc is from my region though, so I kinda feel bad.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Also, I've done some testing and...smash canceling is :
When you're charging a smash on a stage that shifts, like either of the pokemon stadiums, and u hold shield while your charging the smash, when the stage shifts, your smash will cancel into a shield. I'm too lazy to post under tactical discussion so if someone feels like doing that, feel free
Also, I'm testing D3s inhale on the ledge...
Guys...I'm getting crazy results. If someone is hanging on the ledge, and you begin an inhale and they try to jump, they get stage spiked. Every char Ive tried this against, it has worked so far. I'm looking more into it, and seeing if it's incorprateable in tourney play. Maybe I'll have some usefull footage soon
When you're charging a smash on a stage that shifts, like either of the pokemon stadiums, and u hold shield while your charging the smash, when the stage shifts, your smash will cancel into a shield. I'm too lazy to post under tactical discussion so if someone feels like doing that, feel free
Also, I'm testing D3s inhale on the ledge...
Guys...I'm getting crazy results. If someone is hanging on the ledge, and you begin an inhale and they try to jump, they get stage spiked. Every char Ive tried this against, it has worked so far. I'm looking more into it, and seeing if it's incorprateable in tourney play. Maybe I'll have some usefull footage soon
Jupz
Smash Master
Sounds pretty good, ill try it aswell.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Its all hit to miss stuff Smexy.
They expect you to have lag, then you don't.
They hit your sheild, you grab and punish.
They expect you to have lag, then you don't.
They hit your sheild, you grab and punish.
sMexy-Blu
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mindgames lolololol
No seriously... You cancel the Fsmash while its charging, you don't have any lag at that point, you can't cancel it into a shield when the huge ending lag comes.
Nobody approaches while D3 is charging his hammer (nobody smart of course) they approach AFTER when hes at ending lag frames so they can punish.
Nobody approaches while D3 is charging his hammer (nobody smart of course) they approach AFTER when hes at ending lag frames so they can punish.
Buuman
Smash Ace
essentially, but right now, I'm trying to figure out the applications for the suck spike. I'll figure it out. Also testing falcos and snakes minimum kill %s from d3s up tilt
The Buuman Trap is easy to avoid and easy to punish. You can't hold a charge forever, but I'm fairly sure you can lay down for quite a while. Stay down while you charge it, and then roll when it's released. You've got rolling frames to pass the hammer, and now DDD's ending lag is enough to be punished.
Unless I'm mistaken.
Unless I'm mistaken.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
That's why you don't start the charge till the character moves.
Than, where ever they go they get hit. It's not hard to understand.
It's essentially a "tech chase" with stage spacing to garuntee the DSmash.
Than, where ever they go they get hit. It's not hard to understand.
It's essentially a "tech chase" with stage spacing to garuntee the DSmash.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Its easily abused on Halberd.
Buuman
Smash Ace
lol, some people just don't understand the concept of thinking while they play. Not everything is concrete, you have to time it right. It's not hard, well for me anyway, just time it right.
I usually watch for a frame of animation of the opponent that is lying on the ground, then AND ONLY THEN, I start a down smash charge. The point of the charge is not to increase knockback/damage, it's to avoid getup attacks from foes.
And yes Zinayzen, you are mistaken. I advise you to read more thoroughly, or PM me if you have any problems. I included a video so that should have helped. I understand you are new and want to increase your post count, but my thread is not the place to do it.
I usually watch for a frame of animation of the opponent that is lying on the ground, then AND ONLY THEN, I start a down smash charge. The point of the charge is not to increase knockback/damage, it's to avoid getup attacks from foes.
And yes Zinayzen, you are mistaken. I advise you to read more thoroughly, or PM me if you have any problems. I included a video so that should have helped. I understand you are new and want to increase your post count, but my thread is not the place to do it.
My bad. Misread your post, I didn't realize you start the charge once they roll away.
And Buuman, that's a bit harsh. Instead of just answering my question or correcting me, you call me a moron and tell me to read better, not that you explained the trap very well in the first place.
I've heard people say that these are some of the friendliest Brawl boards. I have to say, you being someone who I assume has been around here for quite a while, you're not exactly upholding that image. I assume the point of these boards is to invite new members to get in here and actually LEARN how to play Dedede to the best of their ability. Otherwise you wouldn't have created a thread explaining your "special trap".
Show a little courtesy, man. You were new at one point too.
And Buuman, that's a bit harsh. Instead of just answering my question or correcting me, you call me a moron and tell me to read better, not that you explained the trap very well in the first place.
I've heard people say that these are some of the friendliest Brawl boards. I have to say, you being someone who I assume has been around here for quite a while, you're not exactly upholding that image. I assume the point of these boards is to invite new members to get in here and actually LEARN how to play Dedede to the best of their ability. Otherwise you wouldn't have created a thread explaining your "special trap".
Show a little courtesy, man. You were new at one point too.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Make mad love to me Zin. Be my friend. Be my very best friend. **** me friendly.
And we are friendly. Trust me, those ZSS board members are such *****es they won't let someone start a stage discussion thread without saying, WE DON'T NEED IT.
Buuman
Smash Ace
Well sometimes things won't always be explained and aren't use friendly. We're a pretty friendly community. You should be thankful I even introduced the trap. And life is harsh.
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