dang, why is the reflector so small and slow and... stronger?

[guedes the brawler]

One of my favorite things to do as Wolf was to use it as a "counter" of sorts and following with a jab or Forward tilt/smash... Considering it's size and speed, it was relatively easy to do and even allowed me to stop smaller combos in brawl (such as, say, Fox using Dair-->DSmash)

but this isn't possible anymore! The range is worse, it is slower to deactivate, but that doesn't even matter when it sends people upwards where following up is harder.


ugh... why...?

 

[Blade-Fox]

Have you tried jump cancelling his shine and trying to follow up that "weird" angle it sends them at? You might be surprised at what shenanigans Wolf gets up to with this new reflector.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Have you tried jump cancelling his shine and trying to follow up that "weird" angle it sends them at? You might be surprised at what shenanigans Wolf gets up to with this new reflector.

But why the reflector? He has so many other moves that coudl be used for those things, such as his throws... breaking combos was awesome.

 

[Blade-Fox]

But why the reflector? He has so many other moves that coudl be used for those things, such as his throws... breaking combos was awesome.

You can still break combos with it but now it sends them up for juggling as well. In fact a lot of his moves lead into juggling or more juggling.

 

[Shadic]

The range is worse, it is slower to deactivate, but that doesn't even matter when it sends people upwards where following up is harder.

It comes out Frame 1.

 

[guedes the brawler]

It comes out Frame 1.

Deactivate. They activate at the same time but in Brawl you coudl escape form it faster, hence why the Reflector-->Jab combos i mentioned are actually feasible.

 

[Shadic]

And you can jump out of it...

 

[NameChange]

I looked at the title and was like wat

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

If it sends them up, I dunno ... short hop and fair/uair them? Have you *played* Wolf? If it knocks them into the air, you want to spam it.

 

[SSS]

One of my favorite things to do as Wolf was to use it as a "counter" of sorts and following with a jab or Forward tilt/smash... Considering it's size and speed, it was relatively easy to do and even allowed me to stop smaller combos in brawl (such as, say, Fox using Dair-->DSmash)

but this isn't possible anymore! The range is worse, it is slower to deactivate, but that doesn't even matter when it sends people upwards where following up is harder.


ugh... why...?

You can jump out of it broskii. Makes it hella short and good. Hits on frame 1, you can jump out of it frame 4 (or something? pls verify), so it's pretty safe if you know what you're doing, and you have a hella sexy angle for Wolf Flash or other follow-ups.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Severe necro, SSS, but thanks for reminding me that this thread exists. I needed a laugh.

 

[SSS]

Severe necro, SSS, but thanks for reminding me that this thread exists. I needed a laugh.

Poor Brawl players can't cancel shines.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Actually, Wolfs jump is frame 4 (Fox is 3, Falco 5) so jump out is Frame 5 if Shine is Frame 1. But its still insanely fast

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Poor Brawl players can't cancel shines.

I can't cancel shines either ... oops.

I've been fighting my sparring partner with a Shineless Wolf this whole time. My inability to incorporate Jump OoShine is the reason I'm dropping Wolf for Lucas.

 

[Strong Badam]

you can't jump until frame 4 of shine

 

[SSS]

you can't jump until frame 4 of shine

Thank you based Strong Bad. Is that the same as the other spacies? And can you jump out of it for the whole rest of the animation or is there a point where you can't jump out anymore?

 

[Strong Badam]

Thank you based Strong Bad. Is that the same as the other spacies? And can you jump out of it for the whole rest of the animation or is there a point where you can't jump out anymore?

yes
4-21 unless you hold it, then it's 4-*how long you hold it*

 

[dRevan64]

Actually, Wolfs jump is frame 4 (Fox is 3, Falco 5) so jump out is Frame 5 if Shine is Frame 1. But its still insanely fast

Not how that math is done, the 4th frame of shine is the first frame where your jump input will work, but then he has the 4 frame jumpsquat. So when you shine, the earliest frame you are airborne from that shine is frame 8.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

ok thx for clarification^^

 

[Kaithewolf]

If you want to follow up the shine with f-tilt of f-smash after using it as a counter then just Shine, jump out of shine, wavedash to follow your opponent and do your desired grounded move.