Countering Crouch Canceling

[LCS_Leafo]

So i am Working On A Melee Mod That Will Be A Unofficial Patch Of melee, And I Know that Most of The Bottom tiers Are Bad Because they Dont Have Tools Against Crouch Canceling, But i Then Came with a Question: "What Make a Move Counter Crouch Cancelling?", i tried to come out with an Answer Myself but i couldnt Find, So i Give this Question To You: "What Make a Move Counter Crouch Canceling?" (I am Talking In Case Of Frame Data, Like What Are the Traits That a Move Can Couner Crouch Canceling)

 

[MegaAmoonguss]

Idk what technical traits a move has to have to put someone in knockdown even when they're crouching (so CC fails), but if you read someone CCing then grabbing them negates it, unless they crouch under your grab.

 

[dzee]

Some things that tend to beat crouch cancel:
- multi hit (fox's dair)
- grabs (except puff CC)
- hitting upward (do testing, but fox/falco dtilt)

Also, fixed knockback moves that knockdown will beat CC at any %

 

[Melee maniac]

Spikes and meteor smashes counter crouch cancelling