Counter-Arguments for Lucario's Inclusion in Brawl

[Darkurai]

Italic Text is Generic Lucario Fan #9087
Bold Text is Me
Red Text is Cinder405

Counter Arguments for Lucario's Inclusion in Brawl
Thank you for coming, Generic Lucario Fan #9087.
Glad to be here.
Shall we get started?
Certainly.

I saw the title of the topic before you changed it.
I'm sure you did. Thing is, I mis-labeled it like I did with my Sonic video on YouTube. So I corrected my mistake.

You think Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl? Hater.
Hater? Me? Quite the opposite. I love Lucario. It's an awesome Pokémon. I just don't think it should have a playable spot in Brawl.

If you like him so much, why don't you support him?
Just because I like him doesn't mean he should be in Brawl. I like those generic Space Pirates from Metroid. Should they be in Brawl.
No.
Why not? I like them.

Lucario is important to the Pokémon franchise!
Uh...how?
He has a movie.
So? Deoxys has a movie. Look what happened to him.

And Jigglypuff is important!?
Well, Jigglypuff was a recurring anime character.
But that's the anime! It has nothing to do with the games!
Pikachu says Hi.

He's a legendary Pokémon!
No, it's not.
But he has a movie!
(slap) Even if it was legendary, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be playable. Need I point out every legendary Pokémon except Mewtwo?

He'd be a good fighter! He's athletic and powerful!
So's Knuckle Joe.

He's a popular Pokémon! That means he's definetaly in, right?
Again, Deoxys.

Why do you keep bringing up Deoxys?
Because everyone thought IT'D be playable. And look what-
Don't finish that sentence.

Still, Lucario looks cool. Deoxys looks like crap.
And Mewtwo's design is cool?

DUDE! LOOK AT MY SIG!
What the-How'd you get in my house!?
Well, you need a new front door.
Gah! And as for your sig, I clearly said I'm not a hater. Now get out of my house.
I dunno. I like it in here.
Yeah, it's cool.
GET OUT! ALL OF YOU!

And so, there are my counter-arguments. If anyone has an argument, I'll gladly think of a counter-statement and add it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think anti-threads are pointless because they are suppose to be argued IN the main thread...


What is with ALL the anti-threads as of late

 

[Circus]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=111027&highlight=Anti-Lucario

Sandman tried this already.

'Twas a terrible experience.

Don't even go there.

 

[Lupo Aro]

Good arguments and everything, but this should go in the Lucario thread. Otherwise this just seems like another one of those "anti-character" threads.

 

[Noshiee]

you are just mentioning the reasons that decreases his chances, not why he shouldnt be...>_>

 

[BigRick]

I think anti-threads are pointless because they are suppose to be argued IN the main thread...


What is with ALL the anti-threads as of late

Main threads are populated with fanboys... you cannot argue with them.

At least this thread tries to bring logic to the table.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Your reasons suck. What happened to Deoxys and Knuckle Joe don't affect Lucario's chances, either negatively or possitively. If anything, you are generic anti-Lucario poster number 2746.

 

[NeoSoul]

man I didnt get the honor of the first anti-x thread?

**** this guy had comics and everything, and a nick-name (lamecario) man thats the way to do it...

 

[NeoSoul]

whoops double post

 

[PIT_IS_BACK]

Support him or not, that was quite the funny post

 

[Arteen]

I don't really care what other Pokemon make it in, but what about Jigglypuff? It got in somehow, even though it's not that important of a Pokemon, so why not Lucario?

 

[Circus]

man I didnt get the honor of the first anti-x thread?

**** this guy had comics and everything, and a nick-name (lamecario) man thats the way to do it...

Sandman sure gave his thread a lot of. . . content. Yeah. But don't come up with arguments as stupid as his (I'm speaking mostly about the mid-to-last posts).

 

[Cinder]

Dude, are you out of your mind?!? Have you never read my sig? I can't believe you think, just because of Deoxys and K.J., Lucario can't be in! That's the most ignorant exuse I've ever seen! The only person who's gonna agree with you is Sandman *lights torch*

And yeah...what's up with all the Anti-threads? It seems to me that NeoSoul's anti-Sonic thread spread this disease...

Just so you know, if the fourth gen's gonna get repped (which it is), only Lucario could do it...try to think of another 4th gen that's as popular as Lucario...Lucario has a legitimate shot at Brawl, and is the best remaining candidate for a final Pokemon rep!


Lucario for Brawl!! Lucario FTW!!

 

[freeman123]

Text outside the quote boxes is me.
Text inside the quote boxes is Generic Bozo #9088

Darkurai
Thank you for coming, Generic Lucario Fan #9087.
Glad to be here.
Shall we get started?
Certainly.

Why are you thanking the other guy for being here if he's the one that's supposed to be interviewing you?

Darkurai
Hater? Me? Quite the opposite. I love Lucario. It's an awesome Pokémon. I just don't think it should have a playable spot in Brawl.

Why do you think he shouldn't be in Brawl?

Darkurai
Just because I like him doesn't mean he should be in Brawl. I like those generic Space Pirates from Metroid. Should they be in Brawl.

Yeah, but why shouldn't Lucario be in Brawl?

Darkurai
So? Deoxys has a movie. Look what happened to him.

He went to rehab for a DUI?

Darkurai
(slap) Even if it was legendary, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be playable. Need I point out every legendary Pokémon except Mewtwo?

No, what you need to point out is why this couldn't have been posted in the Lucario topic that we already have.

Darkurai
He'd be a good fighter! He's athletic and powerful!
So's Knuckle Joe.

He's a popular Pokémon! That means he's definetaly in, right?
Again, Deoxys.

Why do you keep bringing up Deoxys?
Because everyone thought IT'D be playable. And look what-
Don't finish that sentence.

You still haven't given one reason why Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl.

Darkurai
And so, that's my reasoning.

What's your reasoning? You didn't say anything about why Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl. All you've done is point out reasons why Lucario might not be in the game. And we already know that! Saying Deoxys didn't get in doesn't mean Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl!!! Unless you're trying to say that Lucario needs Deoxys to hold his hand or something.

You saying that Lucario should not be in because Deoxys isn't is just like someone saying that Daisy SHOULD be in just because Peach is.

Darkurai
If anyone has anything to contradict what I believe

I still don't know what you believe. You obviously don't want Lucario in the game. I'm assuming that maybe you don't want him in because you'd rather have Darkrai, based on your name. If that's the case, I'd rather have Darkrai too, but anything that you've said about Lucario could also be said about Darkrai.

This topic should be called "Reasons why Lucario might not be in the game." Not reasons why he shouldn't, because you haven't given any. Actually, this topic shouldn't be called anything, because it shouldn't even exist. You could have just said this in the Lucario topic.

Darkurai
I'll gladly think of a counter-statement and add it to the F.A.Q.

Here's one. Why are you spamming the forums with your pointless crap?

 

[Oldskool]

The difference is Deoxys design looks like a sack of crap while Lucario doesn't

 

[BigRick]

man I didnt get the honor of the first anti-x thread?

**** this guy had comics and everything, and a nick-name (lamecario) man thats the way to do it...

agreed.

anti-lucario thread #1 > anti-lucario thread #2

Reposting some of that goodness from the first thread:

 

[Oldskool]

If that was Sonic that picture would be PERFECT.

 

[BigRick]

Btw, I have nothing against Lucario... what I hate is fanboyism.

If you can't agree that the above picture (in which Lucario gets owned) is funny, then you're probably a fanboy.

And yea, Lucario and Sonic not for Brawl. Thx.

 

[Lupo Aro]

Btw, I have nothing against Lucario... what I hate is fanboyism.

If you can't agree that the above picture (in which Lucario gets owned) is funny, then you're probably a fanboy.

And yea, Lucario and Sonic not for Brawl. Thx.

I heartily support Lucario for Brawl and found the above image funny. That makes me...?

 

[BigRick]

I heartily support Lucario for Brawl and found the above image funny. That makes me...?

A simple Lucario supporter. Congratulations!

 

[Cinder]

agreed.

anti-lucario thread #1 > anti-lucario thread #2

Reposting some of that goodness from the first thread:

*runs hand along knife**incites angry mob* You wanna run that by me again? What this thread needs (other than a little lock symbol) is a fanboy to stand up for Lucario! Yeah, you heard me, I'm a fanboy! I'm going to repeat the same statement that my fellow fanboys have given: give me one good, legitimate, irrefutable reason Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl! So far, all I've heard is crap about Deoxys...try not mentioning Deoxys...

 

[BigRick]

^^I can't even tell if Cinder is joking are not...

Very well played sir.

 

[Circus]

If you can't agree that the above picture (in which Lucario gets owned) is funny, then you're probably a fanboy.

Or, if not that, then you'd fall into the small group that I'm in, which would be someone who doesn't really support Lucario (anymore), but doesn't find immature fart jokes funny.

 

[axemangx]

Most of these Lucario haters love the fact that they hate every Pokemon character from the francise, and each character is crap they throw. (Maybe not Pika and Jiggly, but they take alot of skill).


Aint it funny?

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

He's a legendary Pokémon!
No, it's not.
But he has a movie!
(slap)

That made my day, but do we really need anti-threads when we can just say these arguments inside the main thread?

 

[Florida]

agreed.

anti-lucario thread #1 > anti-lucario thread #2

Reposting some of that goodness from the first thread:

Bwahahaha! Hilarious picture!
Anyways, I don't like your reponses that much. The only thing that you did was compare Lucario to other Pokémon, such as Deoxys and others. You could've went more in-depth with why you think he shouldn't be playable, other than just "I don't think he should, look at what happened to Deoxys!".

BTW, I'm all for Lucario being in Brawl.

 

[Super Smash Master]

I don't think he will be in, because more than six playable Pokemon is Ludacris.

Now, you can argue with him, but he does have a gun.

 

[Betrayed]

So what IS Lucario? I stopped playing Pokemon after Gold/Silver, the last legendaries I remember are Lugia (sp? lol) and Hoho (sp? again? >>)

 

[Cinder]

I don't think he will be in, because more than six playable Pokemon is Ludacris.

Now, you can argue with him, but he does have a gun.

Pikachu, Jiggs, M2, PT, Lucario...I only count five...and please don't tell me you're counting all of PT's Pokemon separately...people hate that...extra disc space, yes, but it would be five SLOTS, and that's perfect...

Lucario FTW!!!

@Betrayed: Lucario is one of...no wait...THE most popular fourth generation (Diamond/Pearl) Pokemon...it's the first non-legendary to be the main star of a movie, it's an awesome Steel/Fighting mix in the games, it was MADE to be in Brawl!!

 

[Betrayed]

Haha, I see. I remain opinionless on his chances at any rate. I'm more of a original 151 guy myself.

 

[Xaron Fisk]

I think anti-threads are pointless because they are suppose to be argued IN the main thread...


What is with ALL the anti-threads as of late

Forum fad. People are bored, and anticipation is making them crazy.

 

[Black/Light]

HUmm, interesting.

I like Anti/counter-threads because you get a clearer debate than the support threads would have.

And to someone on here saying that these aren't reasons for why he shouldn't be in. I think that the goal here is to show that the common reasons supporting his likely hood aren't anywhere near as fool proof as people seem to think.

(And Red counts as 3 characters in one. . . .it said so on the site. This "slot" BS was started to keep the hopes of more than one new pokemon joining the fray now. It would be backwards for Sakurai to want to make Pokemon have w/e amount of "slots" just because of the past when he has 3 full characters in one)

 

[EarthboundMun]

Arguements are fun.

Deoxys didn't have much of a chance to get in, I figure, because of his lack of personality. Deoxys was just.. Deoxys. Even in the movie it didn't have that much of a purpose, and its anime appearances made me wonder why they even bothered.

Essentially, I chuckled a little when Deoxys got confirmed as a Pokeball Pokemon. I wouldn't get my hopes up on ANY legendary Pokemon making the cut outside of Mewtwo, if simply for the fact that Mewtwo is THE legendary Pokemon. All those super-strong legendaries that came afterwards were just posers.

All kidding aside, though, Lucario was one of the first fourth generation Pokemon to be revealed. He's popular, he's recognizable, and now that we know fourth generation Pokemon will get represented, the question is: Why NOT Lucario? Who else do you have? Munchlax supporters got shot down this Monday. What other fourth generation candidates were there? I don't recall seeing any other suggestions BESIDES Lucario and Munchlax.

In a perfect world, we'd have a Pokemon to represent all four generations. Because this isn't a perfect world, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo and Lucario are perfectly fine as options for playable Pokemon. Not to mention that we already have Pokemon Trainer, who's packing THREE playable, fully movelisted Pokemon. So that would easily bring that number to SEVEN playable Pokemon. We've got first generation Pokemon representatives out the wazoo.

So, again, why NOT Lucario? Diamond/Pearl sold/is selling well, Lucario's one of the more recognizable fourth generation Pokemon, and Lucario got his own movie. The Deoxys arguement isn't even valid anymore, because we're simply talking fourth generation Pokemon.

Face it, no-one knows whether or not Lucario will get in, and all we can do is argue and speculate because, honestly, no-one knows who's going to get in. Frankly, I'm happy with Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer. Pokemon as a series is already getting a ton of representation with all the Pokeball Pokemon. If anything, Lucario would simply be a supplementary playable Pokemon to appease the fans/supporters, much like Mewtwo seemed for Melee.

 

[Hiemie]

Arguements are fun.

Deoxys didn't have much of a chance to get in, I figure, because of his lack of personality. Deoxys was just.. Deoxys. Even in the movie it didn't have that much of a purpose, and its anime appearances made me wonder why they even bothered.

Essentially, I chuckled a little when Deoxys got confirmed as a Pokeball Pokemon. I wouldn't get my hopes up on ANY legendary Pokemon making the cut outside of Mewtwo, if simply for the fact that Mewtwo is THE legendary Pokemon. All those super-strong legendaries that came afterwards were just posers.

All kidding aside, though, Lucario was one of the first fourth generation Pokemon to be revealed. He's popular, he's recognizable, and now that we know fourth generation Pokemon will get represented, the question is: Why NOT Lucario? Who else do you have? Munchlax supporters got shot down this Monday. What other fourth generation candidates were there? I don't recall seeing any other suggestions BESIDES Lucario and Munchlax.

In a perfect world, we'd have a Pokemon to represent all four generations. Because this isn't a perfect world, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo and Lucario are perfectly fine as options for playable Pokemon. Not to mention that we already have Pokemon Trainer, who's packing THREE playable, fully movelisted Pokemon. So that would easily bring that number to SEVEN playable Pokemon. We've got first generation Pokemon representatives out the wazoo.

So, again, why NOT Lucario? Diamond/Pearl sold/is selling well, Lucario's one of the more recognizable fourth generation Pokemon, and Lucario got his own movie. The Deoxys arguement isn't even valid anymore, because we're simply talking fourth generation Pokemon.

Face it, no-one knows whether or not Lucario will get in, and all we can do is argue and speculate because, honestly, no-one knows who's going to get in. Frankly, I'm happy with Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer. Pokemon as a series is already getting a ton of representation with all the Pokeball Pokemon. If anything, Lucario would simply be a supplementary playable Pokemon to appease the fans/supporters, much like Mewtwo seemed for Melee.

.

This.

 

[poishrom]

anti lucario? why he's such an awsome pokemon. and not to mention the sandman failed.

 

[BigRick]

If Mew2 and Pichu stays in, we will have 5 Pokémon characters... that's already alot.

 

[Caael]

Some one make an Anti Ridley thread

I dare you.

 

[BigRick]

Some one make an Anti Ridley thread

I dare you.

I could make one if you want it.

 

[Arteen]

There really isn't any concrete reason for excluding Lucario. He may not make it in, but that doesn't mean he will not make it in. He has a decent shot. Besides, what does Deoxys really have to do with it?

Lets say Sakurai wanted 7 Pokemon in Brawl. Pikachu and likely Mewtwo and Jigglypuff will take 3 slots, Trainer takes 3 slots, and we're left with only 1 slot left. Assuming Deoxys and Lucario both have the best shots at making it in, then of course Sakurai is going to have to choose to make one playable and another not playable. For all we know, Deoxys is out so that Lucario is in. If that's the case, then Deoxys's deconfirmation is a good sign. We just don't know.

I could make one if you want it.

Do it! I want to see what silly things the Ridley cult will do.

...the last legendaries I remember are Lugia (sp? lol) and Hoho (sp? again? >>)

Ho-Hos for Brawl!

 

[kaid]

Technically, Lucario wasn't the first non-legendary title character- that belongs to Mystery of the Unown. But he IS the first pokemon since Mewtwo to actually get an independent, emotional backstory, which provides fodder for SubEm.

As for the pic from Sandman's thread... I find it amusing, because Lucario's immune to all forms of Toxic Gas, because of his steel type. Wario and Bowser fail in that pic.