It is based on timing. If you press shield right before a wind-up finishes, you will also buffer an air dodge. If you press it earlier in the wind-up animation you won't buffer an air dodge.
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Just Side B and Up B. Maybe Cargo Dtoss if you do it while full hopping.
Jaycee_023
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Which of these is considered the worst matchup for DK?
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Jaycee_023
Little mac is a great match up for us. Prob one of our best.
Zss or custom villager are imo the worst MUs of those characters. Not sure to much about lucas since he is new.
Jaycee_023
Little mac is a great match up for us. Prob one of our best.
Zss or custom villager are imo the worst MUs of those characters. Not sure to much about lucas since he is new.
What do you all use to cover ledge options when the opponent is trying to get back on stage? I've been using dtilt or up tilt spam to cover space or just going with any reads I have but I feel like there has to be some way to cover more options and be safer.
Maybe uptilts with your back facing the ledge, or a well spaced dsmash? Idk, Let me know what you think.
Maybe uptilts with your back facing the ledge, or a well spaced dsmash? Idk, Let me know what you think.
1PokeMastr
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Down tilt/ spaced f-tilt can cover jumps really well. Down B covers get ups/ get up rolls and ledge attacks amazingly. I only usually up tilt if the down tilt misses and they jumped from the ledge
Only a few things can cover every option. Charged Dsmash, Spinning Kong, and AC Nair are the moves that cover pretty much everything. Dsmash has the highest reward, Spinning Kong is the easiest to time, and AC Nair is the safest but requires you to react to Ledge Rolls and is harder to hit with on small characters. Only Dsmash can also hit people who just hang on the ledge though (unless they stick out like DK). Ledge Drop + Double Jump Attack is also character specific, but covering those is usually just a matter of shielding and punishing the lag.
Usually Ledge Jumps are too quick to react to, so if I think they are going to do one I time an attack to hit as soon as a buffered Ledge Jump would happen. Usually people just Ledge Jump immediaely to avoid Ledge Trumps, so it works more often than you'd think.
Ninj4pikachu
Smash Journeyman
Very effective since the update that improved the cargo Dthrow. The only issue is you have to practice pivoting.
The cargo throw is now a mixup game. You can pivot and go for the stage spike with Dcargo throw, or when they start teching either change up your timing to go lower or forget the pivot and jump straight for the blast line into a Dcargo throw. It kills very well around 110-120 depending on stage, character, and how close to the blast line you can get.
pongid
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What are the best options when DK turns into combo food and is juggled? Particular enemies that come to mind are metaknight's Uairs and Shiek's Fairs.
I've learned that DK's UpB can be a "get off me" move, for example I use it to break out of Mario's Utilt juggle. It comes out on frame 4(?) and has great priority.
But in general, what are the options I should be taking / what should I be thinking about? UpB? Air dodge? Doube Jump? DI / smash DI? I guess this all really depends on the situations, but if anyone could provide tips on what to do when being juggled, I'd appreciate it.
I've learned that DK's UpB can be a "get off me" move, for example I use it to break out of Mario's Utilt juggle. It comes out on frame 4(?) and has great priority.
But in general, what are the options I should be taking / what should I be thinking about? UpB? Air dodge? Doube Jump? DI / smash DI? I guess this all really depends on the situations, but if anyone could provide tips on what to do when being juggled, I'd appreciate it.
Welcome to smashboards. I moved your post here since it was a simple question.
You generally should be looking to save your double jump and drift away from danger. If you don't have a double jump and can't drift away to safety or towards a ledge, then you have to intercept them with Dair or go a an air dodge.
Fast falling at the right time, using Up B to go towards a platform/ledge, and using the Jumping Headbutt custom move are also some options to keep in mind. Sometimes you can charge the punch in the air and bait them into coming after you, then fast fall air dodge or just air dodge.
Regnilla
Smash Rookie
Still having trouble with Cargo stage spikes. I grab-cargo walk off ledge and pivot d-throw?
All you have to do is pivot close enough to the edge to fall off from the momentum of walking forward. It helps to just tap backwards slightly instead of all the way. Letting go quickly after turning around also helps. You just need good timing for the most part. If you walk off the stage before pivoting first, you can't change directions.
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MysteriousSilver
Smash Ace
What's the most optimal damage you can get when you break a shield before 9-wind/full charged fsmash will kill?
phili
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I was wondering what the optimal follow ups at low percents are when dk get a grab. When I get a grab at 0, it seems that the only true combo I can get out of cargo upthrow is up air, but I don't want to stale it so it kills as early as possible. At mid percents I normally go for cargo upthrow > nair > bair or upB. And at high percents I go for up air obviously because it kills. Just not sure what is optimal for the 0-10% range. Let me know what you guys prefer to do when you get a grab at low percents
Rango the Mercenary
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How do you do the ding-dong at high percents? FThrow into Uair seems to work beyond 80% when I watch streams, but I don't know how to do it.
All you need to do is use your tilts, Bair, and Uair to trade with or beat her aerials cleanly. Due to the weight difference, you can lose like 2 out of 3 times and still come out ahead. The only real way you can lose is if you get hit by rest consistently or get edge guarded mercilessly. Both of those scenarios are more along the lines of getting outplayed as opposed to the MU being difficult, so just practice your spacing.
Grab -> Jump CUT -> Bair -> Up B for like 60%. You could squeeze in a Pummel and an AC Nair or risk a Dtilt trip for an extra 10% too, but that is probably too much. You can also do it without the Bair and probably have to on certain characters at certain %'s.
At very low %'s opponents can mash out while you jump, so it is better to just to grounded CUT to Uair (or Usmash on certain characters). If for whatever reason you really don't want to Uair and Usmash won't combo, you could just do CBT instead for 12%. If they are slow mashers, you can jump and do w/e you want as normal including Bair and Up B.
It is just good timing and not having too much rage. You have to start the throw as early in your jump as possible and double jump as soon as you can. Doing both of these leaves them close enough to you to still combo at higher %'s. With too much rage it won't work at higher %'s, but can KO even earlier.
Kulty
Smash Ace
Hi guys,
I'm interested in learning DK. Usually, I don't like characters that get combo-food. That may be the case for DK, but I heard that DK can still get out of combos. Is that true? Even if he gets murdered by combos, can DK get out of combos really quickly or not? I know for the fact that DK has the Up-B to get out.
I'm interested in learning DK. Usually, I don't like characters that get combo-food. That may be the case for DK, but I heard that DK can still get out of combos. Is that true? Even if he gets murdered by combos, can DK get out of combos really quickly or not? I know for the fact that DK has the Up-B to get out.
He can up-b to get out of many combos but DK is the definition of combo food. If you cant handle taking and early 40-50% every stock against some characters then you wont like playing him. By the time he gets to high % though he is a rage monster and can make comebacks just as well as lucario.
Kulty
Smash Ace
I like DK, because not only I played his games (which makes me appreciate this character even more), but I find him to be really rewarding on hit and down-taunt is top-notch. That's why I'm interested on learning him even if he's combo food. Thanks!
It depends how quickly you grab the ledge after them. If you grab it right after them, you get a lot better frame advantage. If you grab it late, they can jump/air dodge out before the Bair can hit them.
ChuteTheMessenger
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Is there a list of percent ranges that ding dong will kill at?
With good enough timing you could get a Dair, but that requires a pretty early trump.
Yes. It's in the second post.
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Did anyone know you can cancel your donkey punch Wind with dodge into any b move?
Lawliet626
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Greetings fellow apes
Do you guys happen to have a list of Ding Dong kill percents on each character??
Do you guys happen to have a list of Ding Dong kill percents on each character??
phili
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Yes, look in the second post of this thread http://smashboards.com/threads/dk-community-guide-now-with-cargo-ko-combos.411978/
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So yes???^^^
It's in the second post of Big O's collaborative guide.
Note however that the percent ranges do not factor in optimal DI.
If the opponent simply holds down, they'll die 4-5% later than the minimum percent calculations in the guide. Good thing is a lot of people don't know to do this and try airdodge instead.
1PokeMastr
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It's Di away/ toward Dk, holding down does nothing for vertical knockback
Yes it does
Try it out yourself. My friend holds straight down and lives a few percent longer than the listed minimum kill percent in the guide.
1PokeMastr
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You're just mistiming the delayed act uair, it can kill Mario at 73 but 75 is a much more viable option anyway.
Again I restate holding down does nothing for vertical knockback
GCT up air is supposed to work at higher %s than ACT up air correct? I cant seem to get GCT to combo with a double jump in training mode even pressing the buttons as fast as i can. I can get it to combo after a single jump but not if i have to double jump to reach them. Can someone give me some insight?
Edit: Nvm i finally got it the timing is just really strict.....
Edit: Nvm i finally got it the timing is just really strict.....
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