Competitive Custom Robo

[MrBlueSky]

So your saying no banning stages cause it centralizes on certain play styles. I see what your saying. So no banning stages, but don't you think we need good starter stages that don't particularly lean to one play style over another? But to be honest there's no such stage. Every stage is a counter to something no matter how you look at it. So we need to find basic stages that offer the most variety so that all players will have something to abuse.

And I also said that not all magma zones stages are broken. Ill have to get a list of stages with hidden MZ's.

And what should constitute for counter pick stage? I would call for counter pick status if a stage over centralizes on a certain type of play style, for example a large stage with no walls would force you to play as a fast robo with long range weapons, and doing anything different would result in a un-winnable disadvantage. (lol the logic used for your anti-ban statement, I sure do feel stupid)

Of course this isn't like Brawl where players only play as a few select characters, and there few characters do bad on certain stages. CR players need to be able to adapt to any situation. In Custom Robo, a counter pick stage should be more like "not starter" and that's it.

And I REALLY need to get Arena so I know what everyone else it talking about. May look for a copy on Ebay. And hopefully who ever is selling a copy hasn't erased the data so I can get right into multi-player.

 

[SirroMinus1]

So your saying no banning stages cause it centralizes on certain play styles. I see what your saying. So no banning stages, but don't you think we need good starter stages that don't particularly lean to one play style over another?

Yes thats what I'm Saying. Starter stages like what? because some stages will automatically put some people @ a disadvantage. I just wanna know it don't take much for set A to have an advantage over set B.

But to be honest there's no such stage. Every stage is a counter to something no matter how you look at it. So we need to find basic stages that offer the most variety so that all players will have something to abuse.

Which is why there should be no starting stages

And I also said that not all magma zones stages are broken. Ill have to get a list of stages with hidden MZ's.

K just making sure

And what should constitute for counter pick stage?

Well in CRA loser of first match chose next stage.

And I REALLY need to get Arena so I know what everyone else it talking about. May look for a copy on Ebay. And hopefully who ever is selling a copy hasn't erased the data so I can get right into multi-player.

Yea CRA is good but be careful the good players are on another lvl.

 

[MrBlueSky]

So the real question is how are we going to start the match? As I said random is very anti competitive and you say there is no good starter stage. But if we did have multiple starter stages we could go through the process of stage strike, where players would strike stages that are a counter to there strategy.

But, please, if you have a better idea I would like to hear it. You say the guys at GF play competitively, what do they do to start a match?

 

[SirroMinus1]

So the real question is how are we going to start the match? As I said random is very anti competitive and you say there is no good starter stage. But if we did have multiple starter stages we could go through the process of stage strike, where players would strike stages that are a counter to there strategy.

But, please, if you have a better idea I would like to hear it. You say the guys at GF play competitively, what do they do to start a match?

i dont know how GCN version worked but in ds version 2 people choose a stage @ the start then it randomly chooses 1

 

[ranmaru]

If there won't be banned stages... the two players should each pick a stage, and for the last match of the set, have a judge pick... Or just go random. : D

 

[SirroMinus1]

If there won't be banned stages... the two players should each pick a stage, and for the last match of the set, have a judge pick... Or just go random. : D

i think losers pick is just fine.

 

[MrBlueSky]

So each player picks a stage and then one is selected randomly? You have to be kidding me. That is the most anti-competitive **** I have ever heard. So one player gets what he wants while the other gets screwed over. We cant do things like that. Not if we are going to seriously play CR competitively.

I got a friend who plays CR. I might do some stage testing with him to find the most balanced stages. And let me define "balanced" as a stage that offers the most tactics to abuse. Also the stages have to be drastically different from one another to make the stage strike more balanced.

I have done some testing by myself and Im just going to suggest my starter stage list.
1. Practice Stage
2. Ice Field
3. Nature Park
4. Crevice Court
5. Scramble Walls

Ranmaru, tell me if that sounds right, or if you disagree. Scramble Wall isn't as unfair as people think it is. I put Practice Stage in there just to be the "Final Destination" of CR. And like FD its really not that balanced. It would help if I could fine pictures on these stages to post here. Would make discussion a lot easier.

(I expect that Ranmaru doesn't own a copy of Custom Robo anymore)

High Rise Cell is the stage that needs to be banned. One corner has a magma zone hidden behind a wall while the adjacent corner is left with a large magma zone, making its wall useless. Its not really hidden depending on where the camera is. If players are on opposite sides of the stage then it will be hidden.

EDIT: lol Robepedia, the Custom Robo wiki site, has a page on GameFaqs by an anonymous user made three days ago. Would that happen to be you Artie?

 

[ranmaru]

Sorry I was just trying to throw out an idea. I was only thinking since without banning a few stages that... well I guess that isn't really competitive. I don't mind counterpicks at all.

I do still own it and I played it with my friend Lunar yesterday haha. I would NEVER sell it or give it away. (although it has been a while, I need to get back into it)

Although I haven't played it in sometime, I will actually try those stages again and tell you what I think. : D

 

[MrBlueSky]

Just ordered a copy of Custom Robo Arena from Ebay. But its brand new so I have to go and unlock everything.

Im gonna have someone come over to test stages with me tommorow. Its not the expert Penk I was hoping for, in fact this guy sucks at every video game he has ever played. But everything should be fine. There's more strategy than skill in CR. I should have no problem on teaching him how to be a pro.

Ranmaru remember that these stages need to be diverse in tactics. I made the list from combining these common strategy's.

Camper/Artillery-Hides behind walls and attacks from afar
Suppressor/Trappers- Fires wide area weapons to keep the enemy from fighting back.
Long Range specialist- Mostly the same as Camper, only keeps moving.
Close range- Relies on walls to force opponents to get close.
Air Camper- Uses air mobility to dodge fire and attack opponents that are hiding.

There are probably more tactics that I cant think of that need to be included. We don't want this stage list to lean towards other tactics, such as there being 4 or 3 stages a camper could use. Maybe Im thinking too hard on this... naaaaaaaaaaah.

I will explain my stage list if anyone asks me too.

 

[SirroMinus1]

good luck.
wifi will open up a whole new world and give u a different outlook on custom robo

 

[MrBlueSky]

Artieboy if you have some wisdom on custom robo why don't you share it instead of waiting for me to get pwned on WiFi? I'm sure we would all appreciate some awesome combos or techniques like egg dropping.

 

[SirroMinus1]

Artieboy if you have some wisdom on custom robo why don't you share it instead of waiting for me to get pwned on WiFi? I'm sure we would all appreciate some awesome combos or techniques like egg dropping.

I'm not good @ giving wisdom and what works for me may not work for you.
Like my main set is

Robo Little Sprinters
Bit

Gun Close Range
Magnum gun
The reason i chose this gun is because when i first started to play this game some random guy keep beating me with Magnum gun (he had a really good record @ the time) so i chose the gun and managed to beat him @ his own game and this gun stuck with me ever since

Bomb
Volcanic Bomb
No real reason for choosing this bomb. but now that I've used it alot it can be quite a pain for other people to get around @ times. if they get hit with it they can be hit with the 3 little bombs laying on the ground 1 after the other and that usually give me a good opportunity to counter attack

Pod
Satellite Pod
I needed something to cover the field since I'm using a close range gun but over time i noticed i can combo with it to while the person is grounded

Legs
Long thrust legs
Need to be able to escape though theres other sets of legs that can probably help me escape better

and my main combo with this set is to knock someone down hit them with all 3 of my pods then melee attack. which does like 241+ every time. but this may work better for me than you because I just prefer close range more. the main problem with this is you may find yourself throwing bombs & Setting up pods if your playing someone with a great keep away game.

and for a mid range set i just made to keep up with the people still playing is

Robo Little Sprinters
BIT (my favorite out of the little sprinters for some ODD reason)

Needle Gun
(this gun single handedly shuts down every close range weapon in the game IMO)

Winder Bomb
not the best selection for a bomb that someone would using the Needle gun for but i wanted to get creative and it kinda juggles since the Needle gun brings people in with every shot. other people may use something like Wall Bomb to go along with this gun which is a really good selection

Pod
CockRoach Pod H
Only chose it because it lunges @ the person when they get close and the needle gun pulls people in another good selection for pod for a needle gun would be Wall Pod

Legs
quick Jump legs
The only reason I'm using them is because I've been getting hit out the air alot as of late so I'm just using this to increase my decent speed

Those are just 2 sets i use alot with some reasons why i use them posted ill post more later

 

[황미영]

Oh nice combinations.

I haven't looked at my saved robos yet. xD But I tend to use Trio Pod since it's pretty spammable to shut down ground options. Then Titan bomb to cover more field and get hits when stunned.

I like using the Ray model introduced in the Gamecube one. Along with Javeline, and possibly more, but I can't remember. xD

 

[MrBlueSky]

I would like to try this combination out but I don't have all the parts yet.

Robo
Any Robo will do. Though it would help if I could escape fast so no metal grappler's.

Gun
V Gun
My strat involves hiding behind a wall. I use this if they come from the side. It will always hit them if they are running.

Bomb
WALL BOMB
If they try to jump over the wall then they will get owned by my massive tower of fire.

Pod
Throwing Pod/Dolphin
Main line of offense. Shoots over the wall. Used at medium range for best results. Also used for defense if they try to shoot a bomb over the wall.

Legs
Long Thrusters/Wide Jump
Used to escape quickly to another wall when flank pods or arcing bomb are used. Also used when I knock down the opponent cause I know there going to abuse there invincibility when they get up.

(I bet Artie thinks this set sucks cause he knows a lot more about CR than I do)

I would like to make a suppression set using Trap Bomb and Speed Pod but I don't know what gun would go with it. Trap would keep them from going anywhere but backwards and the speed pod would hit him if he tried that, so I need an anti air gun. And I don't know of any anti air guns -_- Maybe instead of speed pod I go with Umbrella pod and then use afterburner gun.

I don't do combo's. I need to test a lot of weapons before I get into that.

Does GF have a Ladder tournament going on yet? That would be awesome.

 

[황미영]

Haha, it's okay I really like people's sets! I tend to avoid weapons I can't really use. But that was back in middle school. Like everything I did I was younger and was not good, I would probably think of better stuff now. xD

 

[ranmaru]

I have done some testing by myself and Im just going to suggest my starter stage list.
1. Practice Stage
2. Ice Field
3. Nature Park
4. Crevice Court
5. Scramble Walls

Practice Stage - Yep I agree
Ice Field? I don't have that yet. I do have snow field... :/

Nature park - I like it, since it does give benefit to people who like to be in the air
Crevice court - seems fine
Scramble Walls. That seems ok to me, but people may pin the blame on a wall coming down just when they were preparing to do something... to then being shot down. I think this could be ok for using when a loser picks.

I was thinking, that maybe we could use:

L formation - Seems neat and balanced
High Rise Plaza - Cover doesn't cover much, forcing players to keep moving
Basic Cell (there are two lava pits but the players can see them) - Players have to be cautious with the two lava pits, but that is all

Conveyor Factory? People can use the conveyor belts to their advantage.

 

[SirroMinus1]

I would like to try this combination out but I don't have all the parts yet.

Robo
Any Robo will do. Though it would help if I could escape fast so no metal grappler's.

Gun
V Gun
My strat involves hiding behind a wall. I use this if they come from the side. It will always hit them if they are running.

Bomb
WALL BOMB
If they try to jump over the wall then they will get owned by my massive tower of fire.

Pod
Throwing Pod/Dolphin
Main line of offense. Shoots over the wall. Used at medium range for best results. Also used for defense if they try to shoot a bomb over the wall.

Legs
Long Thrusters/Wide Jump
Used to escape quickly to another wall when flank pods or arcing bomb are used. Also used when I knock down the opponent cause I know there going to abuse there invincibility when they get up.

(I bet Artie thinks this set sucks cause he knows a lot more about CR than I do)
I don't do combo's. I need to test a lot of weapons before I get into that.

Does GF have a Ladder tournament going on yet? That would be awesome.

Vlaser gun is a really good gun its another gun that make it really hard for people with close range sets get in on. but to be honest i cant really criticize your set because i lose to a set that looked laughable but i couldn't do anything when i played it
and yes i think there doing some kind of tournament ATM.
and dont worry about combos there not a crucial aspect to winning matches.

Conveyor Factory? People can use the conveyor belts to their advantage.

People can use any stage to there advantage

 

[MrBlueSky]

I did some more testing with my friend. Frozen Field is too broken for starter. I put it in there for air camper's but its outrageous what air camper's can do there. When a robo lands after an air dash, the ice continues there momentum, just like I expected. But that makes it so there oppenent has no options. There best bet is Hornet gun and lots of trap pods/suppression bombs.

Practice Stage - Yep I agree
Ice Field? I don't have that yet. I do have snow field... :/

Nature park - I like it, since it does give benefit to people who like to be in the air
Crevice court - seems fine
Scramble Walls. That seems ok to me, but people may pin the blame on a wall coming down just when they were preparing to do something... to then being shot down. I think this could be ok for using when a loser picks.

I was thinking, that maybe we could use:

L formation - Seems neat and balanced
High Rise Plaza - Cover doesn't cover much, forcing players to keep moving
Basic Cell (there are two lava pits but the players can see them) - Players have to be cautious with the two lava pits, but that is all

lol at Nature Park. That's not good considering that Air campers seem to be broken in the current set :/ But it has become apparent that Air Campers are going to be good anywhere. Too good at countering. With Seal Heal + Feather Legs I can play perfect games against my friend. But I put Nature Park in there to be good for Long Range.

Scramble Walls: Stuff like that never happens. But if it becomes a problem then it could be switched with Panic Walls. Panic Walls is basically the same only it tells you when the walls are going to move. Also walls move in groups and are more predictable.

Sorry about Ice Field its actually called Frozen Field. But its broken anyway so no.

L formation: I will test but it should have no problem being starter.

High Rise Plaza: Would have to look at it but Air Campers would own if there isn't good enough cover. But again, air campers are good anywhere.

Basic Cell: Sounds fine to me

We need some stage to counter Air players -_-

Cool technique I found. Self aiming pods in the air can give you a small boost in the direction aimed and can even reverse momentum. Good way to dodge Five Way guns in the air or as a fake out.

Also High Rise Cell does not need to be banned. I guess I got screwed over one time by the camera and I was like "this stage is awful". But I played it three times with my friend and didn't encounter any problems.

 

[ranmaru]

Let us remember, that once someone goes in the air, he must come down. ;D

So for air raiders, they must have walls to fall behind or they will become vulnerable. (Even if they have long dashes they have to come down, and hopefully the opponent set something up which would alert the other player)

Scramble Walls: Sadly one can't say that if it ever does. Hopefully I am wrong and it doesn't, but it is best to be in the safe side. Panic walls is ok though.

Ah ok I have Frozen Field. It's alright I said Snow Field hahaha. Ah I see, got ya.

Basically I think we need a stage with plenty of cover for ground, and all we would have to do is wait it out until the flyer steps down, that is when you would strike. If not, you have other options since you can do many things from behind cover. (like run OUT of cover and run back for instance)

 

[MrBlueSky]

lol I looked at GameFaqs. They all think were noob dumb *****. HERES MY MESSAGE TO YOU, YOU ******* ELITIST! If you played Smash Bros, you would probably say stupid stuff like "oh Falcon is the best because hes raptor boost is the fastest attack in the game" because you know nothing of the game. If you guys read the thread you would have noticed I just got the game two weeks ago. As for Smash Bros, I would spot dodge your stupid raptor boost and punish you, just as you would punish me in Custom Robo for all the stupid stuff I do like Lighting Sky + Afterburner. Just let that sink in before you troll behind my back you ******* elitist. I refuse to play against such ***holes.

Also air campers can easily be countered by certain weapons. This starter stage list is pointless as these "pros" can adapt to any stage. Or any part set. Random is fine. Loser's pick is also pointless. This is nothing like Brawl where players are only good with a few characters. Should lurk on GF from now on.

 

[SirroMinus1]

Whoa can we not have drama between the two communities that post was simply meant to see how people felt about lava stages

 

[ranmaru]

Well, sometimes people underestimate others... We can't prove ourselves with words, but with our actions.

 

[황미영]

I agree. Why not invite some of those people into this thread to make it more lively! :3

I don't own the Gamecube version of Custom Robo anymore and I still don't have a charger for the DS so I can't really experiment with items and such at the moment, everything I know about Custom Robo right now is just from memory which isn't that good. xD Since I forgot a lot of weapons and names.

But I really like a lot of the choices you guys have made. I would like to make a good freeze set, with at least a one freeze item and the rest OP stuff, or freeze pod and bomb, and the rest OP. To rack up damage.

Also, what do you think about doubles stages? There are some stages that due to it being doubles would be viable. Similar to how Smash does it. O:

 

[MrBlueSky]

Better just to go to GameFaqs than for them to come to this thread. But they don't want me there because I'm too n00b. I can easily see why the CRA scene is so small and dead.

Whoa can we not have drama between the two communities that post was simply meant to see how people felt about lava stages

lol? How did it go from banning lava stages to "dont teach this noob how to egg drop"? But whatever.

And we shouldn't be trying to make a stage list of any kind. The GF people's should be the ones working on this and they seem to find pick two and go random is fine. I'm not going to question them.

 

[SirroMinus1]

Better just to go to GameFaqs than for them to come to this thread. But they don't want me there because I'm too n00b. I can easily see why the CRA scene is so small and dead.

CRA has a great community. but when a outsider comes and try to make the game more competitive people will most likely find it offensive (no offence) just look @ what evo did to brawl, they tried to change how we play result rage & frustration. you shouldnt take it out on the community. the reason why the game is dead is because 1. this game wasn't advertised AT ALL 2. Pokemon D/P came out right after CRA

And we shouldn't be trying to make a stage list of any kind. The GF people's should be the ones working on this and they seem to find pick two and go random is fine. I'm not going to question them.

We never had a big problem with the other stages which is why we never decided to ban or have any starters.

 

[MrBlueSky]

(Attempting to avoid further discussion)

Well anyway, we should work on getting more people interested in CR, seeing how little the community is.

And we don't have much to advertise with. The games cheap but its not cheap enough to where I can say "you should buy this game because it only costs $X". The prices average at about $25 on eBay, with one or two low out-liers. Custom Robo got "average" reviews by most review sites. X-Play gave it a 5 out of 5 but it was only one review site, so we cant use that.

I would like to see the guys at GameFaqs post videos of themselves. Watching the videos on youtube right now, they do the same noob tactics I do(infact one guy said Lightning Sky + Afterburner is awesome lolz). They hardly even use pods and bombs. I want to see REAL pros play this. Especially since I'm about to get owned by them on Wifi without any prior knowledge of competitive play.

 

[SirroMinus1]

ill post a few videos

my 1 and only video
But really bad quality, i got lucky and someone recorded 1 of my matches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq0mrK7Tkoc

Mike2k vs Mara they are really well known in the community
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mFPM6YEFeU

this is all i can really find @ the moment ill find more later

there pretty old might i add

 

[MrBlueSky]

I just noticed how different these games are. CRA is like out-outrageous compared to CR GCN. Maybe its because I dont have all the parts unlocked yet but bombs just have ridiculous area on CRA. And charge looks so much more spam-able in CRA :/ There couldn't be more than 10 frames of vulnerability from what I can tell of the videos.

And you can actually aim pods/bombs in CRA. Sure your really vulnerable when you do so(as you cant move), but you don't even get half a second to aim in CR GCN.

CRA has smaller stages and plays a lot faster too.

This may all just be in my head cause I'm n00b but whatever.

 

[ranmaru]

Don't put yourself on such a low level MrBlueSky. I as well may be on your skill level, seeing as how I just played the game by ear. I look forward to learning more about it and being able to compete with it as I do with Smash bros, and I think that is how you should look at it too.

 

[SirroMinus1]

If anyone want some matches to test out your set ill make a new one so you guys can get a better feel for the game
My fc is 2878 7449 6427

 

[MrBlueSky]

If anyone want some matches to test out your set ill make a new one so you guys can get a better feel for the game
My fc is 2878 7449 6427

Yeah, I just got CRA today. Have no parts unlocked yet, so I'm not gonna bother making sets yet. And there's still that "satellite internet" thing that keeps me from playing online. 1800 ping. And the Wifi at Walmart is probably 3G Wireless which isn't bad but not something you can use to play at competitive levels. It failed hard to play Star Fox Command. I will try anyway, but I cant be online for too long. I will post my friend code once I get it.

(I will lol hard if the 3G lag makes me invincible and I win by default :D)

Edit: Friend code : 4082 9653 1114
Don't expect me to be on at any time. I will probably forewarn you when I get the time to go to some wifi place.

 

[SirroMinus1]

Yeah, I just got CRA today. Have no parts unlocked yet, so I'm not gonna bother making sets yet. And there's still that "satellite internet" thing that keeps me from playing online. 1800 ping. And the Wifi at Walmart is probably 3G Wireless which isn't bad but not something you can use to play at competitive levels. It failed hard to play Star Fox Command. I will try anyway, but I cant be online for too long. I will post my friend code once I get it.

(I will lol hard if the 3G lag makes me invincible and I win by default :D)

Edit: Friend code : 4082 9653 1114
Don't expect me to be on at any time. I will probably forewarn you when I get the time to go to some wifi place.

I didnt see the edit part.. ill add you how are you liking the game sofar?

 

[MrBlueSky]

Its lolzey. Everything is so much more outrageous than CR GCN. I mean,... well. I got the wall bomb. I test it out and I'm like "oh its not too much bigger" and then I realize how bad the stage and robos have been scaled down and I'm like WTF! Its ridiculous. The story is "meh". The competition so far isnt that good. I have played perfect games on half the battles so far.

And then I found a robo that can jump 9 times... NINE TIMES!?! But I like how I can mostly buy parts that I "want" instead of earning random parts that I have no control over. But still havent found any new robos. Also I think they took out Blade Storm, my favorite gun. But oh well.

The story sucks much worse than GCN but the game-play is a lot more awesome. The only problem I have found is the d-pad. It makes things a lot harder than they should be. I hope they come out with a new CR for 3DS so I can play with that slider. But other than that I'm liking it. Need a Seal Kid(head >_>) before I get on Wifi though. Or at least some robo that can stand a chance on wifi.

 

[ranmaru]

My favorite gun is sword storm. ;D

 

[Fire!]

Yeah a 3DSWii version would be great. They better not let this series die.

 

[MrBlueSky]

They wont let the series die. Its actually a huge hit in Japan. The most they would do is stop releasing in NSTC region due to bad sales.

Haven't picked up Arena in three days due to stupidity. I'm at the soul boost guy and I have to go find his two lackeys. I looked up a guide but keep forgetting to play Arena. I'm not looking forward to one hit kill poison. Also not looking forward to what ever gun Mira has. I forgot what it was called but I remember it was very cheap.

Artie when am I going to be able to buy new Robo's? I at least need a Big Head(or kid or whatever there called now) before I can take on anyone. And from what I saw of the videos, Big Head would not be viable anyway. Need an Aerial Beauty or a Strike Vanisher. I might as well borrow an Action Replay since the story is so bad.

 

[painlord k11]

I heard some joke that went like this........ custom hobo, be the ruler of your park. something along those lines.

 

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[Zach777]

Hey guys, there ia Custom Robo discord that we use for Netplay and discussion of all Custom Robo games. https://discord.gg/nsWh3Yw