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One stock games makes no sense even with the context of nerfing Steve. Steve already has easy 0 to 70’s and then death, so 2 to 3 mistakes is all it takes for Steve to kill you. If anything I would consider it a buff with how easily Steve can take a stock.
You'd never get to start a stock with gold/diamond though, and other characters can also get kills decently easily. Like if you think about Steve games right now, in many cases Steve will be at 100%+ when he gets diamond, so he opts to save it for stock 2. In 1 stock games he wouldn't have that option and would spend most of the game with no diamond.
It's his secondary.
He uses it against problem matchups and as a counter-counterpick to his opponents picking FD. Most interesting use I saw in this tournament was in his set with Tsumusuto where they went FD in first game and Tsu actually had a solid gameplan in keeping acola's Steve out and converting his combo chances and won game 1 fairly comfortably. He lost the next two cause Doc can't recover (shame) so he counterpicked for FD again and, well, it wasn't really horrible per se against the Kazuya but he still got rocked.
Miya got a 65th at Maesuma TOP 8. Miya just seems to be "Very strong but inconsistent" like Kome.
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— FaZe Sparg0 (@Sparg0ssb) August 27, 2022
KirbyKid and Ben Gold have done better.
has finally claimed a major win, while also getting a Summit slot at the same. was playing immaculately as well, but total victory just barely escaped his fingertips. He still has more opportunities to get a Summit slot at a later time.
Wasn't Glitch - Infinite a major?At long last, after so long of narrowly winning a major, including a recent string of underperforming in major tournaments, Cosmos
Welp. Completely forgot about that.
In the ESAM match, the way he weaved around Pikachu's hitboxes both in neutral and offstage was insanely precise. Especially offstage, because if Pika can't edgeguard Kazuya then his only option for killing is to engage Kazuya directly, and we saw how that went more often than not. I certainly don't think Riddles or the Japanese Kazuyas would fare nearly as well in that kind of disadvantage state.
I feel like Sephiroth could be top tier if he wasn't literally as light as Kirby. But being light is very detrimental especially to a tall character like Sephiroth. I play Young Link, who's heavier than Sephiroth, and he dies at 80% quite a bit. A big factor in balancing otherwise excellent characters is making them very light. Sephiroth has good kill power but not good enough to completely make up for his weight. He also has excellent range but with fairly slow attacks and can be in trouble if he gets vortexed.
Light was already in Summit before this. He was invited.
This is what I've been talking about with Aegis dominating tournaments. IMO the game would be a lot healthier if Aegis, Steve and ROB got nerfs.So someone on reddit made a tier list showcasing how many times each specific character made top 8 at majors/supermajors. He did one for pre-quarantine and post-quarantine, so I thought to show you all the post-quarantine one as that's most relevant right now.
Here's the post
It seems that the list here factors in fringe secondary or full-on secondary uses as well. It may inflate some character numbers like Kazuya and especially Sora. Aegis would likely still be among the highest, if not the highest on the list, but I think her numbers are also inflated by this factor as well.So someone on reddit made a tier list showcasing how many times each specific character made top 8 at majors/supermajors. He did one for pre-quarantine and post-quarantine, so I thought to show you all the post-quarantine one as that's most relevant right now.
Here's the post
I imagine Steve would've been doing quite a bit better if Salem hadn't been banned. I'm curious to see what would happen if any other current top player (like Tweek, Dabuz, or Zackray) made a serious attempt at picking up Steve and sticking to it. Personally I think Steve is the best and Aegis the second best (thoug I'm not super opposed to Aegis being third best and Joker second best). If we're looking at OrionStats Steve is #1 and Aegis #4.
Zackray and Kameme likely make up quite a bit of that tbh. Remember when Zackray won a major with Sora 2 weeks after his release?
From the creator of that thread
That said, pre-patch Wario had 30+ back during the 2019-2020 era, and also had 3 reps that made top 8 about at least 7 times, which was Glutonny, Tweek and Kameme, so I guess Aegis are the new pre-patch Wario mixed with a bit of Palutena.
Pre-quarantine generally has to do a lot with why Mario's still hyped up. The character back then was pretty good, with Dark Wizzy becoming a top 10 player and Kurama (known by Prodigy back then) upset MkLeo at Frostbite 2020. Then I think none of the Mario's grinded on wifi (I know Dark Wizzy didn't) and fell off. But I also think the meta grew unkind to Mario, sword characters are pretty much the meta and Aegis and Cloud are good against Mario and they're immensely relevant and popular in the meta rn. Shulk is also pretty good and beats Mario, but he's rather uncommon to fight against.
Last but certainly not least... 😌@Sparg0ssb is our 16th and FINAL player coming to compete at #UltimateSummit 5 Presented by @coinbase 🎉 pic.twitter.com/imdt74leTU
— Beyond the Smash (@BTSsmash) September 1, 2022
Absolutely nobody saw this one coming. What an absolute shocker. Wow. Crazy.
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You didn't mention that Ouch!?, Myran, T3 DOM and Jahzz0 made it as well from the vote-ins. Ouch is Canadian like Riddles and the other three are from the US.Might as well show off the run-down on who will be in Smash Ultimate Summit 5.
Invited:
acola
Dabuz
Glutonny
Kola
Light
MkLeo
ProtoBanham
Riddles
Sparg0
Tweek
Highest placing non-qualified player at Rise 'N Grind: Anathema
Highest placing non-qualified player at Shine 2022: Cosmos
Here are our 16 players.
There are virtually no "wild cards" in this selection in comparison to past Summits, outside of maybe Anathema.
Everyone here are well known killers at the top of the world rankings, leading to hyper intense sets 24/7.
First thing to note is that this is Sparg0's first major event since Gimvitational back at June. Zackray managed to catch up quickly after a long hiatus from the game, so we will see if Sparg0 will do the same.
Interesting thing to note is that acola and Proto are the only two Japanese representatives of this event. No Tea, no Zackray, no KEN. Just these two. Thankfully these two are some of the finest in the business.
USA is represented by Tweek, Anathema, Cosmos, Kola, Dabuz, and Light.
Canada's lone rep is Riddles.
Europe's lone rep is Glutonny.
Mexico is of course represented by MkLeo and Sparg0.
Final thing to note for me is that this selection is very diverse in terms of character selection.
Only real intersection is MkLeo and Cosmos both bringing Aegis to the table (and MAYBE Sparg0 if he decides to do so).
Proto, Sparg0, and Glutonny are the lone reps of Min Min, Cloud, and Wario respectively, but there is a chance that Dabuz, Kola, and Tweek respectively brings them out.
There might be a very slight chance for acola Kazuya, but I don't think it is very likely.
Oh crap I forgot. I will include that from the list. Still doesn't change the point about the diversity.
