Official Competitive Character Impressions 2.0

[Ziodyne 21]

@meleebrawler

You mention f-smash as a neutral tool against short hop and shield--but f-smashes in general aren't used for this. smashes have lots of endlag, so usually when you're f-smashing or up-smashing in neutral you're calling out a habit. If a committal smash is one of your main answers to short hop* and one of your main ways to pressure shield, then you're in deep trouble as a character.

Quick example: ZSS in the Fox matchup has a hard time punishing Fox for jumping, since Fox lands so fast. ZSS players deal with this by calling out the Fox's jumping habits and up-smashing. You can see Marss and Nairo do this against Light all the time. But ZSS' up-smash is a very committal move, so as soon as Light catches on, Marss and Light start losing stocks to Fox just waiting for the up-smash and punishing. Some mindgames and back-and-forth are involved here, but the advantage nevertheless clearly belongs to Fox: it's less commitment for Fox to wait than it is for ZSS to up-smash.

And something similar applies to Byleth vs. shields. The burden of spacing isn't on the shielder; it's on Byleth. If you use a lance f-smash against someone as Byleth, you have to space it so that you can't just get punished OOS. Since Byleth has lower mobility, and there are so many ways to transition into a shield (walk, run, dash, land, spotdodge, etc), the advantage should be the shielder's.

This isn't an open-and-shut case of shields dismantling Byleth though; obviously Byleth can grab, or poke with d-tilt, or something else, but it looks like an advantage all the same.

*note here on Byleth vs. short hop: f-air is very good against short hops anyway, you don't even need angled f-smash. You should not be short hopping against Byleth at max spear range. It seems really counterintuitive. Does Byleth have a way to force you to jump at that range? Fear of taking shield damage because Amyr could break your shield doesn't seem compelling enough.



Yeah, I've acknowledged that the ledge is a powerful position for Byleth. Seems like one of the game's best ledgetrappers, just like Piranha Plant. I thought that this discussion so far had been entirely in the context of Byleth's neutral. Following the comment chain back to my original post, I said: "Zoning with what? ... Reactable neutral moves on a character with nearly game-worst mobility? Wow, that is really bad."

It's neutral where I think that Byleth's design should shine, but where it seems to fall apart the hardest based on the current footage.

Just for reference, S4 Corrin Pin was extremely overtuned and almost zero-commitment against some characters like Mario, who couldn't consistently punish the kick. That's the kind of move this design would need to really come together, imo.

Okay this may sound kinda sacrlige consdiering Smash 4 had Bayo and Cloud and whatnot.
But Corrin's S4 pin was not just overtuned, it was a borderline broken move, only kept from being completely ridiculous by the below-average mobility of Corrin him/herself. It was basically kinda like ZSS's flip-jump of this game. generally Non-comittal, could be used to escape disavantage situations with much of the cast not being able to punish it. and it killed early when it connects.
Yea it could be somewhat easy to guard against in neutral yes but it was safe and non comittal as long as you dont get predictable with it you could get easy punishes.

It was not just Mario and similar short-ranged characters. Most Corrin MU's hinged on how well the character could "deal" with Pin. If you used Ness, well then TS

 

[Tri Knight]

Anybody see a tier list that they think best represents the current meta?

 

[boysilver400]

Anybody see a tier list that they think best represents the current meta?

To be blunt, no. Very few even come remotely close imo and there isn’t a single tier I’ve seen that doesn’t come with “wtf” placements.

I don’t know if this is due to the meta constantly changing or just smashers not paying attention but I will say that based on some recent tier lists, is the next and

 

[Impax]

Upsets so far for Glitch 8:
Snorley 2-0 Stocktaker69
Bankai 2-1 Phantom
Ese 2-1 Dexter
benn 9 9 9 2-1 Toast



And here the winner's side for each pool round 2:

Spoiler: Pool I1

Maister vs TheRed
File vs Raptor
Stroder vs Magister
Jakal vs Kishiru

Spoiler: Pool I5

Ryuga vs Shoe
Puppeh vs Conch
LeoN vs Enki
Fatality vs 6WX

Spoiler: Pool I9

Dabuz vs Lavish
Juice vs Daigon
Kola vs colinies
Jw vs Sandstorm

Spoiler: Pool I13

Tweek vs Ralphie
John Number vs Bankai
WaDi vs Disgaea
Pelca vs White Girl 6 9 (what is this tag lol)

Spoiler: Pool J1

Light vs Pink Fresh
BlazingPasta vs Dill
Sinji vs Mr. Mojo Risin'
Suarez vs Ese

Spoiler: Pool J5

ESAM vs Mossy
SoulArts vs Blacktwins
Raffi-X vs GoMan
Rivers vs SAUCE

Spoiler: Pool J9

Dark Wizzy vs Dietsoda
RFang vs DM
Gen vs Mata-Door
ZD vs UtopianRay

Spoiler: Pool J13

MVD vs Tarik
Mr E vs Mekos
Cosmos vs Dingus Joe
benn 9 9 9 vs Beast

White girl is ozone

 

[VodkaHaze]

Anybody see a tier list that they think best represents the current meta?

Not really. If we did that then Corrin would be like a bottom 5 character due to virtually no representation and Pikachu probably wouldn't be top 10. Most go off of theory crafting, which is important, but results and the metagame still test theories.
Closest I found was Armada's due to fine reasoning, but even then he didn't rank 9 characters due to uncertainty. Current tier lists are like mysterious sandwiches where everyone agrees the top and bottom are made out of bread, but no one agrees what's in the middle.

To be blunt, no. Very few even come remotely close imo and there isn’t a single tier I’ve seen that doesn’t come with “wtf” placements.

I don’t know if this is due to the meta constantly changing or just smashers not paying attention but I will say that based on some recent tier lists, is the next and

I don't think it'll be that extreme, Jigglypuff still has a ton of bad match-ups that people need to recognise. At least Jigglypuff might get some more representation for Phase 3 with a better kit.

 

[Megamang]

Tri Knight you might know this already, but the best snapshot we have of the current meta is almost certainly Orionstats. We are in the start of the season so it is a bit weird right now, but each season is an excellent snapshot and shoutouts to Das Koopa for running such an enlightening project. I'm sure its stressful and we appreciate it man!


Another great place to learn about the meta is Glitch 8, which is what is is running right now. Here's the thing, Orionstats gives us snapshots of the meta over a time, and each major is where we see the secret sauce that people have been labbing out, a more precise but zoomed in snapshot of the meta at that very time.


Watching top 12 play is obviously a place to learn a lot, but I recommend everyone watch pools. What exactly sets a top player above the people they destroy in pools? How do they adapt to non-top players, because we see non PGR'd players take games exponentially more than they take sets, so take note of adaptation and see if you can do the same! At the top 8 level there is a lot of player/player interaction going on, which is a good learning experience in itself, but seeing how they go vs someone they don't know can almost be more applicable to your own game.


Much love guys. I recommend anyone attend at least one major if they want to step up their game, even before you can reasonably be expected to get out of pools. A major levels you up more than anything, and even my 0-2s are learning experiences.


... Next major (or the next next) may have Byleth. Maybe we'll see a new Salem main =]

 

[The_Bookworm]

Upsets so far:

Kishiru 2-1 Jakal
Wal00gi 2-1 File (out at 65th)
Wal00gi 2-0 Stocktaker69 (out at 49th)
Bankai 2-1 Phantom (out at 33rd)
John Numbers 2-0 Pelca (out at 33rd)

Tri Knight you might know this already, but the best snapshot we have of the current meta is almost certainly Orionstats. We are in the start of the season so it is a bit weird right now, but each season is an excellent snapshot and shoutouts to Das Koopa for running such an enlightening project. I'm sure its stressful and we appreciate it man!


Another great place to learn about the meta is Glitch 8, which is what is is running right now. Here's the thing, Orionstats gives us snapshots of the meta over a time, and each major is where we see the secret sauce that people have been labbing out, a more precise but zoomed in snapshot of the meta at that very time.


Watching top 12 play is obviously a place to learn a lot, but I recommend everyone watch pools. What exactly sets a top player above the people they destroy in pools? How do they adapt to non-top players, because we see non PGR'd players take games exponentially more than they take sets, so take note of adaptation and see if you can do the same! At the top 8 level there is a lot of player/player interaction going on, which is a good learning experience in itself, but seeing how they go vs someone they don't know can almost be more applicable to your own game.


Much love guys. I recommend anyone attend at least one major if they want to step up their game, even before you can reasonably be expected to get out of pools. A major levels you up more than anything, and even my 0-2s are learning experiences.


... Next major (or the next next) may have Byleth. Maybe we'll see a new Salem main =]

Byleth (and version 7.0) comes immediately after Genesis and EVO Japan, which is the perfect timing.

 

[Cracke]

I've been seeing tons of Greninja at Glitch, this makes me incredibly happy. And doing relatively well too.

 

[Wigglerman]

People keep asking me about Byleth, and I keep mentioning bad OoS and lack of burst mobility. So on that much I agree.

But complaining that side-b is reactable is off-base. No one expects to be running around attempting to control neutral with that thing. It's a trapping/coverage move that can threaten certain types of landing, air dodge, or defensive zoning moves. Seems more than functional at this job @ f20, if the range is even 90% as big as it looks.

On rewatch, what stood out to me was how floaty Byleth appears; a sharp contrast to the Belmonts.

Up-b will likely be good just because of how much people undervalue diagonal threat in Smash. But it leaves Byleth in the air, and remember, she's floaty. She might not like this.

I noticed early on how damn important it is to have diagonal options in this game. Pac-Man, for instance, REALLY struggles with airborn foes a lot of the time if they have great arc coverage since he simply doesn't have many great options to cover it. His smashes all go straight forward or up, his uptilt doesn't cover much area in front of him and has a poor hitbox. Upair is really the only normal move he has that can cover a wide arc and even then it can get stuffed out by most the roster due to their longer reach. Bell tends to be his optimal option along with manipulating the hydant's launch to really get those much needed diagonal gaps in his arsenal.

It made me fully aware just how much of a pain it is to be approached from those 'blind spots' and do much about it other than block or preposition as quickly as possible to hit them with his less fluid hitboxes.

 

[KirbySquad101]

Possibly the biggest upset yet at Glitch 8:

Dill 2-0s Light to advance to Top 32 on the Winner's Side

 

[Cheryl~]

More upsets from Glitch:

Tarik 2-0 MVD
Toast 2-1 MVD (out at 49th)
Magister 2-1 Jakal (out at 49th)
Raptor 2-1 Magister (out at 33rd)
Dill 2-0 Light

also, the best-placing Mewtwo (Zenkai) is out at 65th, tied with Lucario (QWERTY). I think sadly the time for Mewtwo to show it’s potential is over and we might have to accept the character as mediocre to bad because of that damn tail.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Fatality 2-1 LeoN happened a while back. was that mentioned?

 

[The_Bookworm]

Here are more upsets:
benn 9 9 9 2-1 Beast
DM 2-1 RFang
ZD 2-1 Gen
Name 2-1 BONK! (out at 97th)
AndrewT 2-0 Dexter (out at 97th)
Kepler 2-0 UtopianRay (out at 65th)



Top 32

Winner's
Maister vs Stroder
Mr E vs Cosmos
Tweek vs WaDi
Dill vs Sinji
Puppeh vs Fatality
Dark Wizzy vs ZD
Dabuz vs Kola
ESAM vs Raffi-X


Loser's
Kishiru vs Ryuga
Toast vs DM
John Numbers vs Sandstorm
Suarez vs Blacktwins
LeoN vs Raptor
(Winner of Gen vs RFang) vs Tarik
Jw vs Bankai
Rivers vs Light


This is a pretty good event for R.O.B., Yoshi, Pikachu, and Greninja.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

I said this before, but R.O.B has been doing very well for a while

His weakness of being combo food big-body is the one think keeping him from being ridiclous in Ultimate giving him some very rough MU's in and still .

I mean he is technically a zoner, but is more like a all-round character with big sword-like disjointed airiels and some surpisingly good CQC options in a 3f jab and that infamous down-tilt. Plus 2 combo throws with basically somewhat worse Snake like guarnteed kill confirm with D-throw at around 170%

 

[The_Bookworm]

Stroder reverse 3-0 Maister

Both Kirishu and DM are out at 25th place (probably the 2nd and 3rd best, respectively, Pika players), so ESAM is all that is left, but ESAM is chilling in winner's about to fight Raffi-X.

Edit: Fatality 3-0 Puppeh, so Fatality moving on to top 8 qualifiers from winner's. His best performance in a long time.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Oh hey, an Ike actually made it into top 32 again for a fairly large/stacked tournament, yay!

To me at least, it seems like Ryuga is doing better now that's done trying to force Hero to work.

 

[NotLiquid]

Light 3 - 2 Maister (eliminated at 17th)

Maister's first time missing top 8 (hell, top 16) since Mainstage.

 

[Anomika]

Mr E finally breaking the Fox curse, beat Light 3-0. He definitely took the advantage of Fox's weaknesses with juggling and edgeguarding. I do feel bad for Light though... The sets vs Dill and Maister almost definitely made him upset and tired.

 

[SwagGuy99]

On the topic of Glitch 8, I haven't watched everything but I did see the ZD / Dark Wizzy set and it does a really good job of showcasing and 's strengths and weaknesses. ZD's Fox was great when it gained momentum (something that has been true of Fox in general since Melee) but while ZD was doing a pretty good job at mixing up recoveries, Fox's recovery just isn't too good in Ultimate. While Dark Wizzy wasn't fishing for combos as much, he did do a fantastic job of showing off Mario's edgeguarding (especially at the end of the second game). Mario's FLUDD does a great job of limiting options on offstage opponents and he always has the threat of f-air and cape as well. However, Dark Wizzy's Mario was struggling to land a kill onstage and he can struggle somewhat in neutral against characters who have options to keep/run away from him.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

So... Cosmos just reversed 3-0'd Dabuz with Corrin, that is a thing that happened

 

[NotLiquid]

Corrin not washed after all

 

[Frihetsanka]

Turns out low tiers can have decent matchups against mid tiers at time, doesn't mean they're not low tiers. Remember when Nairo's Ganon beat Light? Unless Cosmos keeps getting results with Corrin this doesn't mean much.

Corrin has a terrible matchup against Palutena, I wonder if Dabuz has dropped her entirely? Seems like an easy switch for game 4 or at least game 5.

 

[The_Bookworm]

So... Cosmos just reversed 3-0'd Dabuz with Corrin, that is a thing that happened

Dabuz didn't seem that well prepared for the matchup.

Either way, Cosmos just spared ESAM the trouble of fighting Dabuz again (ESAM got destroyed by Dabuz back in winner's).
This is a pretty big opportunity for ESAM to place even higher than he already has.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Dabuz didn't seem that well prepared for the matchup.

Either way, Cosmos just spared ESAM the trouble of fighting Dabuz again (ESAM got destroyed by Dabuz back in winner's).
This is a pretty big opportunity for ESAM to place even higher than he already has.

Well both Olimar and Rosalina can struggle vs really big sword hitboxes (Which is also why Dabuz has had issues with Shulk) That is something Corrin still holds onto in Ultimate

 

[Rizen]

Turns out low tiers can have decent matchups against mid tiers at time, doesn't mean they're not low tiers. Remember when Nairo's Ganon beat Light? Unless Cosmos keeps getting results with Corrin this doesn't mean much.

Corrin has a terrible matchup against Palutena, I wonder if Dabuz has dropped her entirely? Seems like an easy switch for game 4 or at least game 5.

has a lot more going for her than . She has good sword hit boxes along with decent frame data for a swordie, including a f5 Dtilt that combos (YL's DTilt is f8 for ref). She's like a watered down cross between Ike and Lucina. Pin got toned down from SSB4 but is still a good f4 mid range control move that extends beyond her sword reach and 2 frames. Dragon assent is invulnerable f 7-17 and hard to intercept. I'm not saying she's high tier or anything but she's better than low tiers for sure.

Corrin's results, or lack of, are an enigma of ultimate. I'm no FE fan but I guess her game really was hated by a lot of people.

 

[Frihetsanka]

has a lot more going for her than .

I agree, though her overall matchup chart is pretty bad and she's likely bottom 10 overall. She does decently well versus Olimar and Rosalina, which happens to be the two characters Dabuz plays. If he still played Palutena it'd be much harder for Cosmos to win though.

Corrin's results, or lack of, are an enigma of ultimate.

Bottom 10 character that's not very unique, not too surprising that she's not played much.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

I agree, though her overall matchup chart is pretty bad and she's likely bottom 10 overall. She does decently well versus Olimar and Rosalina, which happens to be the two characters Dabuz plays. If he still played Palutena it'd be much harder for Cosmos to win though.

Bottom 10 character that's not very unique, not too surprising that she's not played much.

Dudes if your not an FE fan you have no idea about how long and hard the hate-train for Corrin is. He/She is pretty much a universally despised character from an FE game that is very divisive. With only one of the three actual games of Fates being considered a "good" FE game

 

[SwagGuy99]

So... Cosmos just reversed 3-0'd Dabuz with Corrin, that is a thing that happened

's OrionStats results have almost definitely just passed what they were for the entirety of PGR S2. Just let that set in for a second. In about 2 weeks, already has better results than she had for the last 6 months.

I agree, though her overall matchup chart is pretty bad and she's likely bottom 10 overall. She does decently well versus Olimar and Rosalina, which happens to be the two characters Dabuz plays. If he still played Palutena it'd be much harder for Cosmos to win though.

Don't forget . He's probably her best High/Top Tier MU to be honest. She has strong disjoints (something struggles with) an OK recovery that can be a challenge to edgeguard at times, and a good juggle game.

 

[KirbySquad101]

Whether you want to call a mid tier, low tier, bottom tier, bottom 10, etc., Cosmos had the element of surprise on his side against Dabuz, and it paid off this set; it helps that Corrin had the tools to pull off said "surprise" victory, which more or less hammers in the point that you can't sleep on anyone in this game, regardless of if Corrin is a bottom 10 character or not.

Honestly, labeling characters as certain tiers/categories gets REALLY tiring after a while, at least for me lol.

 

[Heracr055]

Palutena would've been awful for Corrin as she's not fast enough to catch her, and Palu can intercept Corrin's recovery mixups pretty well & eventually deplete her resources.
The Rosa win is reasonable because of Corrin's many tools to eraticate Luma, and Rosa's large & light frame make her Corrin combo food.
She's mid tier at best imo but I'm so happy she got a major win in a top 8

Edit: I hope you guys are woke now to sweetspot Pin and bair

 

[Frihetsanka]

Don't forget . He's probably her best High/Top Tier MU to be honest. She has strong disjoints (something struggles with) an OK recovery that can be a challenge to edgeguard at times, and a good juggle game.

Maister has it as even, I think G&W might win still but I could see it being even, which I guess means Cosmos might actually bring out Corrin versus Maister at some point for the surprise factor.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Corrin's results, or lack of, are an enigma of ultimate. I'm no FE fan but I guess her game really was hated by a lot of people.

Even people who like Fates hate Corrin outside of F!Corrin's visual design. On top of her game starting out with extremely polarizing opinions that have sunk lower and lower as time has gone on/as the new wave of FE fans that started with Awakening play 3Hs and realize just how bad Fates was.

On top of that, Corrin lost a lot of what made them powerful in SSB4 without a lot to make up for it. So shrinking fanbase who would play Corrin out of loyalty (who could also just jump ship to Ike at the start of SSBU or Lucina/Roy/Chrom if they wanted to play a great FE character), and a decimated fanbase who would play Corrin because they liked her playing style/power level (who could jump to any character they want, or Palutena if they wanted another powerful waifu to use).

Not an enigma, an attack on two fronts. But hey, still has counterpick utility apparently which is cool. Or at least as long as she has surprise factor she has counterpick potential. I really don't know how well if would hold up in the long run, hard to say.

 

[BitBitio]

Tweek’s just beat Dark Wizzy’s in Glitch 8 Grand Finals Reset 3-1

 

[The_Bookworm]

Frosty Faustings XII 2020 (C Tier)
1st: yeti
2nd: Zinoto
3rd: Comet
4th: TonyZTank
5th: Yoomoo
5th: Earl
7th: Super Dan
7th: SNooFL
9th: Rickles (rare footage of a solo Ganon placement)
9th: Frosty
9th: Ravenking
9th: ApolloKage


Tampa Never Sleeps (C Tier)
1st: Samsora
2nd: Salem
3rd: Vinny G
4th: MuteAce
5th: Goblin
5th: Myran
7th: ZekeTRP
7th: Morpheus
9th: Epic_Gabriel
9th: Kobe
9th: Uncivil ninja
9th: Anathema
13th: sebayeeeee
13th: ScAtt
13th: 8BitMan
13th: Rideae


Smash Fest to the Sky (C Tier)
1st: Meme
2nd: Sparg0
3rd: Chag
4th: Bedgar
5th: LeSou
5th: Nair^
7th: Javi
7th: Leaf
9th: Hyuga
9th: Joker
9th: Nery
9th: MKBigBoss


Glitch 8 (A TIer) Top 8
1st: Tweek
2nd: Dark Wizzy
3rd: ESAM
4th: Cosmos
5th: Dabuz
5th: Stroder
7th: Dill
7th: Mr E
9th: Puppeh
9th: RFang
9th: Raffi-X
9th: Fatality
13th: ZD
13th: Kola
13th: LeoN
13th: Light
17th: Sinji
17th: Sandstorm
17th: Ryuga
17th: WaDi
17th: Bankai
17th: Suarez
17th: Maister
17th: Toast
25th: Tarik
25th: Kishiru
25th: Jw
25th: John Numbers
25th: Blacktwins
25th: Raptor
25th: DM
25th: Rivers
33rd: LingLing
33rd: SoulArts
33rd: JeBB
33rd: Kepler
33rd: Gen
33rd: Beast
33rd: benn 9 9 9
33rd: BlazingPasta
33rd: Juice
33rd: Wal00gi
33rd: Pelca
33rd: Phantom
33rd: Daybreak
33rd: Magister
33rd: 6WX
33rd: Shoe

 

[Goodstyle_4]

Tweek’s just beat Dark Wizzy’s in Glitch 8 Grand Finals Reset 3-1

The fated matchup...

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Aside from doing well (Which is probably going to be just like Nairo vs Light where results drop off like a rock) for once, the big thing is the amount of usage recently such as Dill being in Top 8, WaDi and Raffi-X overperforming in both Glitch 8 and LMBM and there's Zackray winning EGS Cup 3 with ROB being one of his characters.

Is ROB borderline top tier? Zackray's main statement about him is that his only weakness is being a big body, but everything else about him is amazing.

 

[NotLiquid]

Mexico really is Inkling country. Alongside Cosmos' amazing play this week I'm left surprised how much ink this character still has in the tank. The way they're played at a top level has gone through some markedly subtle changes and adaptations over the year. Way more aggressive edge guarding, oppressive aerials, splattershot usage in neutral and smart usage of KO options out-of-shield still displays how dangerously potent they are. That's the good stuff.

By the way, Mario busted.

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

I’m convinced ROB is top ten at this point. Quite frankly ROB has been getting so much success from so many different people it’s not a fluke at this point. Big target and combo food be damned, his Bayo and Palu MUs clearly aren’t enough to slow him down that far. The character has entirely too much going for them for that to hinder him and it’s getting obvious. Yeah they are giant targets but also heavy and having fuel on his Up B clearly doesn’t affect much given how long and far rob can stay off stage and still make it back from literally anywhere loaded with mixups along the way.

RFang told me a few months ago he believed ROB was top ten, I didn’t believe him at first but I don’t think I can deny his claims anymore. ROB has an abundance of positive things going for him.

 

[DJ3DS]

Is ROB borderline top tier? Zackray's main statement about him is that his only weakness is being a big body, but everything else about him is amazing.

In a word, no.

ROB has always been a character who thrives earlier on in the game and I don't think this is an exception. His results are driven by a dedicated set of players and his advantage state has been labbed exceptionally well early on but eventually people will catch up. This is an opinion that has already been given by Dabuz in his most recent tier list and one I've long thought.

ROB has several noticeable issues. Chiefly:

- Massive hurtbox which makes him extremely susceptible to true combos
- Lack of burst mobility or aerial combo breakers to compound this further
- Lack of good landing aerials (sorry; neutral aerial isn't that good, and you can already see the better players parrying it fairly consistently to extend strings, because it's slow and telegraphed)
- he has poor out of shield options which you're not getting very far with unless the opponent spaces badly or forgets to cross up.
- his zero to deaths largely string from a Nair with gyro in hand, which is incredibly telegraphed and he isn't landing unless you let yourself get hit by a Nair or space poorly enough for the (much faster) zdrop to hit.

To sum up, he has a bad disadvantage which people aren't exploiting hard enough yet at most levels of play, and people let him get away with too much in advantage. He also gets brutalised by several characters; Pikachu, Palutena, G&W, ZSS and Bayonetta are all very bad matchups for a start, but those aren't, I think, the extent of his losing matchups.

As time goes on, people know what to better look out for/avoid, and get better at parrying, mashing and limiting his landing options, his standing will fall. By how much? For all I've said, his neutral and offstage presence are enough that he will probably never sink to smash 4 levels. Moreover, if we ever see a ROB as good at parrying as, say, Light, then this becomes very scary as ROB gets access to several quick grounded options to overcome his OOS weakness.

Also, be careful of the Zackray ROB hype. He is a clear master of the character but he doesn't play him in the situations where ROB really struggles the most. It is easy to say that "ROB won Big House 9" when he did not play ROB against RFangs Pichu, Nairos Palutena, or Maisters G&W, all of which are pretty potent roadblocks to any solo ROB run.

 

[VodkaHaze]

Dudes if your not an FE fan you have no idea about how long and hard the hate-train for Corrin is. He/She is pretty much a universally despised character from an FE game that is very divisive. With only one of the three actual games of Fates being considered a "good" FE game

Since Byleth is still fresh in our minds, let's not forget Corrin was the sixth Fire Emblem character in Smash, and two of the DLC characters in Smash 4 were from FE. Also keep in mind both Melee and Brawl had two FE characters, whereas Smash 4 has 6 FE characters and Ultimate now has 8 - and its possible that that number could rise.

So have a character who has been nerfed quite a bit from Smash 4 to Ultimate, they aren't very popular amongst FE fans, and they aren't liked by Smash fans because they feel FE oversaturates the roster. That's probably why Corrin is unpopular.