COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda

[trojanpooh]

So now we have char specific grav and SHs. Sweet! Can't wait for the code!

I updated my set. 86 lines is very cool!

More importantly, move specific gravity. Link doesn't have to suck so much anymore!

 

[abcool]

what is the value for the ALR cause i think i suffer zero lag when i use it. also the one line buffer also works with the value of 3, but u get that crouch animation after a aerial attack and i hate 0.....idk what to do and yes that meta glitch is a problem what value do i use for throws now?

 

[Almas]

Set ALR to float 2 to double the speed of the animation etc.

 

[WeirdoZ Inc.]

After more testing, I've discovered that Lucas' and Snake's D-Throw does the exact same thing. This was tested at 1.25 Throw Speed as well. Another minor issue is that most characters throws are given odd properties now, like slight pauses, odd trajectories and launch speeds.

I went through everyone's throws btw.

 

[The Cape]

Just cracked character specific gravity in ASM - notably, it can also be tweaked to only affect specific moves. I didn't get to test extensively because my brother hijacked the TV, but I could confirm that it could be modified to work on Link's Up+B.

You are my hero and will from this point on be known as big <3

 

[The Cape]

Also, why the heck do we need increased throw speed? They are great how they are.

Edit: Crappy edit button V.V

 

[Osi]

Why isn't Muba's in the OP still? I am in favor of many of his ideas.

 

[Shadic]

Just cracked character specific gravity in ASM - notably, it can also be tweaked to only affect specific moves. I didn't get to test extensively because my brother hijacked the TV, but I could confirm that it could be modified to work on Link's Up+B.

YES. That will be amazing.

 

[leafgreen386]

Almas you are awesome.

As for the throw stuff... ok, seriously, why are we even bothering? It's a purely cosmetic change, and the throws seem fine as is.

 

[spunit262]

Almas you are awesome.

As for the throw stuff... ok, seriously, why are we even bothering? It's a purely cosmetic change, and the throws seem fine as is.

Pulse the problem with hitbox skipping.

 

[WeirdoZ Inc.]

As for the throw stuff... ok, seriously, why are we even bothering? It's a purely cosmetic change, and the throws seem fine as is.

Very true, I don't see the issue with throws either. I was merely testing it since it was part of the new code.

 

[Osi]

One aspect of brawl I have been wondering about for a while now I haven't seen mentioned is the roll.

With the game becoming faster in all other areas, and the roll being so slow it's easy to punish. Should it be sped up at all? No changes in execution or range, but just a slight animation speed up?

 

[Strong Badam]

I think either its distance or animation speed should be increased proportionally to the running speed.

 

[IKOU]

the no fast falls with c-stick isn't allowing me to imediately fast fall with the control stick. is this supposed to happen?

 

[Dark Sonic]

I honestly think rolls are find the way they currently are.

 

[Revven]

One aspect of brawl I have been wondering about for a while now I haven't seen mentioned is the roll.

With the game becoming faster in all other areas, and the roll being so slow it's easy to punish. Should it be sped up at all? No changes in execution or range, but just a slight animation speed up?

But, aren't the animation speeds different for each and every character in the game? I know MK's roll is faster than say, Samus's roll. I don't think this could be a code that could be implemented universally but, rather, a code that would need to be counted as character balance...

 

[spunit262]

the no fast falls with c-stick isn't allowing me to imediately fast fall with the control stick. is this supposed to happen?

Use the 2 line version with a value of 1.

 

[IKOU]

Use the 2 line version with a value of 1.

thnx. i had been using the 2 line version with a value of 2

 

[goodoldganon]

Ugh I'm so bad at codes...

What is the 2 line no FF with C-stick code with a value of 1 now?

 

[CyberGlitch]

All tech rolls could be sped up universally, but standard rolls must be done on a character specific basis.

Personally, I don't find this to be our most important adjustment. A characters roll is part of what makes him unique. Game & Watch's abysmal roll is a weakness of his, some would argue it's a needed weakness. Yoshi's roll might match how he rolls in Yoshi's Island.

I do find that in general the newly added characters since Smash 64 get AWESOME rolls while the old cast retain OK ones. This might be Nintendo not wanting to mess with characters much, but I'm not sure it shows an honest effort to balance the characters.


And, like the others, I'm no fan of increasing throw speeds.

But 1.5 jump speeds is nice.

 

[leafgreen386]

All tech rolls could be sped up universally, but standard rolls must be done on a character specific basis.

Personally, I don't find this to be our most important adjustment. A characters roll is part of what makes him unique. Game & Watch's abysmal roll is a weakness of his, some would argue it's a needed weakness. Yoshi's roll might match how he rolls in Yoshi's Island.

I do find that in general the newly added characters since Smash 64 get AWESOME rolls while the old cast retain OK ones. This might be Nintendo not wanting to mess with characters much, but I'm not sure it shows an honest effort to balance the characters.

Um... you notice how there's a code to speed up all throws universally? You notice how there's a code to speed up all landlag from an aerial universally? YOU CAN SPEED UP ANY ACTION UNIVERSALLY EVEN IF THEY'RE DIFFERENT BETWEEN CHARACTERS.

Seriously, techrolls have variable distances, too, just like regular rolls. You can speed up rolls universally. Whether you would want to do so or not is the question.

 

[Almas]

Disclaimer: While what leafgreen says is almost certainly true, there is a difference between possible and easy. The code which governs the animations of aerial lag, dash cancelling etc. might not also govern the animations of rolls (in fact it probably doesn't, else spunit would have posted it). We see this in my codes - I discovered that the code which governs dash speed does not control walk speed.

By 'code' I mean the game's programming, generally speaking.

 

[CyberGlitch]

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to imply it was impossible quicken rolls universally, I just meant it would break character balance. It's already too easy for certain characters to just roll around.

 

[The Cape]

Rolls and tech rolls are fine how they are. Why do we need to speed them up?

 

[MookieRah]

I think a slight increase is in order. I think there should be character specific roll buffs as well.

 

[kupo15]

I thought that the throws looked out of place by how slow they are, but with the reported glitches, I guess its best not to tamper with it.

 

[wazgood]

in other news, steelers kthxbi

 

[Team Giza]

Being able to manipulate character specific gravity is definitely going to be a really nice thing.

I don't find rolls too terribly easy to punish in Brawl+ at the moment. Definitely easier than they were in brawl but its not a big deal at all.

I am still amazed by how much we have shrunk all the code length down. Truly amazing.

 

[Problem2]

really wazgood? You've been here almost 2 years and you think it's okay to post obvious spam like that?

sigh, oh well. The one thing I think needs a speed increase is tech rolling. Right now, you can sort of be delayed in your reaction and still tech chase people because most characters run faster than the average tech.

 

[goodoldganon]

really wazgood? You've been here almost 2 years and you think it's okay to post obvious spam like that?

Someone's a Cardinal's fan...

Though the speed increase was fun, it's just a little buggy. Oh well, it was a fun cosmetic change, but it's bugged so no sense messing with it.

 

[kupo15]

in other news, steelers Eagles kthxbi

Fixed

Being able to manipulate character specific gravity is definitely going to be a really nice thing.

I don't find rolls too terribly easy to punish in Brawl+ at the moment. Definitely easier than they were in brawl but its not a big deal at all.

I am still amazed by how much we have shrunk all the code length down. Truly amazing.

I think rolls are fine and hard to punish. Tech rolls just need a little oomph

 

[shanus]

Hi guys, as editted by the man, the legend, DangerLance, I'm glad to present you with a nice showcase of pretty epic Brawl+ clips. Please post comments, subscribe, etc.


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For those that want to know, this codeset is a little outdates now, but here are the values (I now use 8-8.5% hitstun + higher grav, etcetc).

Important Code Values:
9.5% Hitstun
1.1x Dash speed
1.15x down gravity
11/22/5 Shieldstun
No ASL
Dash Dancing
Hitlag 60%
No Stale Moves
0 Buffer
Lagless Edges
Triple Jump Glitch
Infinite Replay
No Trip

 

[Shell]

I'm glad you finally got a good title. What was the music?

 

[shanus]

I'm glad you finally got a good title. What was the music?

Ghostwriter by RJD2

 

[Osi]

CLICK HERE FOR AWESOME

Awesome link title hehe, the video was great. Nice music, footage, and timing.

 

[kupo15]

that was great.

 

[zxeon]

Cool video Shanus.

 

[The Cape]

The video is great. Needed a Falcon punch or two though.

In a combo >.>

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

you know whats the best part about brawl+ combo videos?

you can actually call it a combo video.

 

[Osi]

Hehe, would love to see that in a combo