Combine the worst attributes of Melee, Brawl, and Sm4sh Zelda to create the worst Zelda possible

[Cress!]

Customs are allowed because I truly mean the absolute worst Zelda.

Down B must be Phantom Breaker because changing into a top tier is too good of a move, and the other phantoms have at least some use.

Neutral B should be Nayru's Rejection to remove its ability to deal damage.

Side B should be Din's Flare to make the move even more predictable.

Can't decide on the rest.

 

[EODM07]

I was gonna say make her Melee Kirby with Pichu self-damage and Brawl Ganon attributes. Then I saw the title.

 

[Furret]

lol melee Nair, Fsmash and USmash since you can sdi out of them
Melee Dair and Dtilt

kicks remain as smash 4 kicks
same with ftilt

 

[ZombieBran]

Lighting Kicks from Smash 4 because this is the worst they've ever been.

Up air from Melee because somehow it's even more garbage there.

Farore's Windfall because who needs a good recovery?

 

[BJN39]

I'll start with Jab

First Melee's frame data. Almost not changed overall, but it has a later FAF, so lol.

I think SSB4 1.0.0's hitbox sizes/placements were the worst iteration actually. 1.1.1 fixed them, but 1.0.0's will do. (Note: Outer loop hitbox in SSB4 is SLIGHTLY smaller than Brawl's. Otherwise the schemes are pretty much identical.)

Melee probably had the worst hitbox KB/angle stats, IDK if they're identical to Brawl's, but both were flops and didn't even try to connect.

Melee and brawl's damage were both identical and bad. (Factoid: 1.0.0 SSB4's is the same as well, at 2% x 3)

Brawl visual was the worst, closely followed by the almost identical SSB4 visual, so that one. Melee's Jab visual was top tier.


The move hasn't changed too much over the games tbh. Generally now, SSB4 has some of the better designs because it tries now.

lol melee Nair, Fsmash and USmash since you can sdi out of them

I think you don't even have to SDI those moves to fall out LOL

 

[Furret]

Farore's Windfall because who needs a good recovery?

melee farore's is already bad enough, crap ton of special landing lag

 

[BJN39]

Most of Melee's stuff will do for the worst.

If you want to get specific though you need to include certain things from Brawl and SSB4 like FAFs because most of Melee Zelda's attacks actually had better FAFs than Brawl/SSB4's.

Somehow SSB4 has some terrible data for Zelda though. See: LKs

 

[AncientCode42]

Smash 4 Lightning Kicks (the worst they've ever been, why couldn't they stay the same from Melee? lol)
Melee Dins Fail (although is this saying much?)
Melee U-Smash, F-Smash and Nair (All SDI)
Melee D-Air
Melee Speed
Melee Kirby's Grabs and Butterfingers throws leaving self suicide.
Melee's Farore's Wind with worst lag

^ Unplayable Zelda at its finest. lol

 

[Lorde]

Melee Din's because it was so bad that it makes Sm4sh Din's look good in comparison

 

[McKnightlíght]

Brawl's Final Smash obviously.....

 

[Rickster]

LOL this thread. Can this be the official "negativity thread"?

Give us
- All the terrible hitboxes from Melee along with the bad frame data
- Melee movement speed
- Melee grab and throws
- Melee Farore's, Nayru's Passion, Melee Din's, and Phantom Breaker*
- Smash 4 Kicks with Brawl sweetspot placement
- Melee Nair, Dair, and Uair but they all have Smash 4 frame data
- Can't sweetspot ledge
- All of this in Brawl's engine

*Alternatively give us Brawl Sheik with the long loading time. Can't have Zelda hiding behind the Phantom to avoid projectiles!

 

[Zylach]

I was gonna say that you forgot to include PM on the list of games to choose from. Then I remembered that PM was PM kappa.

 

[Mikey Lenetia]

From Melee, it would be...

Jab, grab, throws(remember, no chaingrabbing in this game!), dtilt(only combos into itself until high percents, and you need perfect timing or else you get punished), Din's, Farore's, uair, nair, dair, fsmash(specifically the disc version with DIable multi hit moves), and usmash(ditto).

From Brawl, it would be...

Sweetspot data and epic hitstun(so when we're blocked, we can be punished with virtually anything).

From Sm4sh, it would be...

Nayru's(if we have to stick to non-customs), animation for kicks, and phantom slash because transforming off of Zelda is cheating. Unless we found some way to program Brawl's long animation only for us to remain Zelda, which would be a rather elaborate taunt.

I don't know which utilt we'd want to keep for the worst just because each have their uses in different ways.

 

[Koiba]

Using Melee's voice bank

 

[Cress!]

Oh I forgot.

Brawl's Up taunt. That was gross.

 

[ZombieBran]

Melee Din's for sure. Even just for the feeble yelp Zelda does while everyone waits 50 frames for Din's to detonate. "Yah!"
Brawl dash animation, such flop.
Sm4sh's character announcement. "zellduh"

 

[Cress!]

Why does the other thread have more posts than this one

This thread is way more relevant and important!

 

[frest123]

I'll start with Jab

First Melee's frame data. Almost not changed overall, but it has a later FAF, so lol.

I think SSB4 1.0.0's hitbox sizes/placements were the worst iteration actually. 1.1.1 fixed them, but 1.0.0's will do. (Note: Outer loop hitbox in SSB4 is SLIGHTLY smaller than Brawl's. Otherwise the schemes are pretty much identical.)

Melee probably had the worst hitbox KB/angle stats, IDK if they're identical to Brawl's, but both were flops and didn't even try to connect.

Melee and brawl's damage were both identical and bad. (Factoid: 1.0.0 SSB4's is the same as well, at 2% x 3)

Brawl visual was the worst, closely followed by the almost identical SSB4 visual, so that one. Melee's Jab visual was top tier.


The move hasn't changed too much over the games tbh. Generally now, SSB4 has some of the better designs because it tries now.



I think you don't even have to SDI those moves to fall out LOL

Might I ask how the heck did your Din's spike Ike in your signature?!

 

[BJN39]

Might I ask how the heck did your Din's spike Ike in your signature?!

It was a GIF made from a modded version SSB4 where Din's has a spike angle. Unfortunately NOT a mainstream game function.

 

[frest123]

It was a GIF made from a modded version SSB4 where Din's has a spike angle. Unfortunately NOT a mainstream game function.

OMG, SSB4 MODDED VERSION?! *dies*

Even if Din's Fire did spike, wouldn't really make it better tbh.

 

[Cress!]

Did the buffs make everyone blind to her bad moves from older games and this game?

 

[Rickster]

Well...

Smash 4 Nayru's is now pretty much better than the other ones in every way but damage.

Dsmash is still worse than Melee's FAF and doesn't have the power and intangibility of Brawl's so it's still worse.

I'm pretty sure Smash 4 Ftilt is now the best. Jab is waaay better than past versions (lol@5/6%).

Uair is still smaller than Brawl's with less killing power. But it can be combo'd into along with having more damage so it's debatable.

Our Nair now does as much damage as Brawl's, but it still has less range (I think?). However, Smash 4 Nair is her ultimate combo starter, so this one is also debatable. Also the landing lag.

 

[Furret]

Smash 4 Ftilt is now the best

ftilt was an amazing punish option in melee, you can't really compare them

 

[Rickster]

ftilt was an amazing punish option in melee, you can't really compare them

Oh, it was? I never saw any Zelda use it so I was assuming it was bad oops

 

[Furret]

Oh, it was? I never saw any Zelda use it so I was assuming it was bad oops

when you could get it, you could actually combo off it, which was rare for zelda to do in melee. It's just that Dsmash was plenty of damage and worked well with crouch cancel because it came out faster. It's just that in melee top tier generally don't have the lag to punish with Ftilt

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Smash 4 fair,bair, and down b. Melee everything else. Brawl model.