Data Cloud Hitbox Visualization

[Furil]

Notes:
Smash 4 hitboxes are interpolated, so imagine a line between a hitbox's current position and it's last. It hits that area too.
Example: http://i.imgur.com/wEBKNpI.gif
This makes Cloud's upair especially good when falling since it will cover area slightly above it too. And that lingering dair...

There are potentially bugs in any of these, so let me know if you notice anything particuarly off and I'll check.

I can get grabs, but I am unsure on the correctness, so I'm omitting them for now.

I don't know where to find the limit break data, so the specials here are the regular. (do the limit break have different hitbox positions?)

Yes, the inside of his cape is made of hair.

Spoiler: JAB 1

Spoiler: JAB 2

Spoiler: JAB 3

Spoiler: DASH ATTACK

Spoiler: FTILT

Green boxes are which bones are intangible.

Spoiler: DTILT

Spoiler: UTILT

Spoiler: FSMASH

Spoiler: DSMASH

Spoiler: USMASH

Spoiler: NAIR

Spoiler: FAIR

Spoiler: BAIR

Spoiler: DAIR

Spoiler: UAIR

Not the projectile.

Spoiler: BLADE BEAM

I don't have the coming down part yet, sorry.

Spoiler: CLIMHAZARD

Spoiler: CROSS SLASH 1

Spoiler: CROSS SLASH 2

Spoiler: CROSS SLASH 3

edit note: The giant extended hitbox at the end is a windbox

Spoiler: FINISHING TOUCH

Thank you

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yes, the inside of his cape is made of hair.

Looks like Cloud took a few fashion tips from Bayonetta

 

[HFlash]

This is amazing. How did you go about getting this if you don't mind me asking?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

This is amazing. How did you go about getting this if you don't mind me asking?

My bet would be that the Smash 4 modding scene is making progress...

 

[lmntolp]

Sakurai said in an interview that cross slash animations/hitboxes were coded differently facing right or left, because in order to write out the japanese character, the move couldn't be mirrored like any other move. I wonder what the hitboxes look like when facing left. Are they exactly the same shape, but shifted instead of mirrored?

 

[Sinister Slush]

People wanted Raiden to replace Snake if he didn't come back.
But don't worry, Papa Sakurai wouldn't leave you in the dust so here's someone else that's edgy with big hitboxes just like Snack.

 

[lmntolp]

People wanted Raiden to replace Snake if he didn't come back.
But don't worry, Papa Sakurai wouldn't leave you in the dust so here's someone else that's edgy with big hitboxes just like Snack.

That end of the finishing touch hitbox is probably just the windbox, not the damaging hitbox. The uair is still ridiculous though and his sword is super wide in general.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That end of the finishing touch hitbox is probably just the windbox, not the damaging hitbox.

Still though...

 

[Sinister Slush]

If ya take the circles out of the equation (assuming that's the windboxes) then you still have a gigantic cylinder.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If ya take the circles out of the equation (assuming that's the windboxes) then you still have a gigantic cylinder.

I think the cylinder is ALSO a windbox.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I'm pretty sure Cloud is wind and water, so maybe the character itself is wind.

 

[Violet Broregarde]

I <3 this, how did you get your data? Not everything is up on the dump:
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/mastercore3/

 

[lmntolp]

Cloud's windbox is big, just wait until G&W's hitboxes come out.

Also, which hitboxes do you think belong to the fair spike? I'm guessing it's the little circle inside the area that doesn't move with the sword, but I'm not sure.

 

[GHNeko]

**** how did i come to this thread so late.

Kreygasm.

EDIT: I'll reupload these as gfycats so that we can look at the hitbox data one by one.

When I post them, I ask for OP to add in the gfycat links instead.

 

[CrimsonRick117]

Some of these look ridiculous and I love it, but Dairs Hitbox is so bad lol...

 

[FlynnCL]

Down aerial's lingering hit is really interesting. Oh, and of course up aerial and up smash's hit areas are absolutely crazy when attempting to account for interpolation...

I'm surprised that forward aerial hits so high above him. I thought there was a blindspot.

 

[Smoking_Hot_BBQ]

We should contact praxis so he can add this to smashpad. This is really helpful.

 

[ZeldaUniverse]

Thanks for uploading these! They're great and useful!

 

[GHNeko]

TIME FOR GFYCAT LINKS.

Spoiler: JAB 1

http://gfycat.com/TeemingReflectingCondor

Spoiler: JAB 2

http://gfycat.com/PersonalFortunateDuiker

Spoiler: JAB 3

http://gfycat.com/GlisteningAbsoluteChanticleer

Spoiler: DASH ATTACK

http://gfycat.com/SharpPoorBullmastiff

Spoiler: FTILT

http://gfycat.com/ViciousHatefulBandicoot

Spoiler: DTILT

Green boxes are which bones are intangible.

http://gfycat.com/NextLateGraysquirrel

Spoiler: UTILT

http://gfycat.com/ImaginativeColorlessGilamonster

Spoiler: FSMASH

http://gfycat.com/SentimentalPowerlessHammerheadshark

Spoiler: DSMASH

http://gfycat.com/PoisedFlamboyantBird

Spoiler: USMASH

http://gfycat.com/FarflungElasticDrongo

Spoiler: NAIR

http://gfycat.com/HeartfeltGoodAstrangiacoral

Spoiler: FAIR

http://gfycat.com/PoisedEnormousAquaticleech

Spoiler: BAIR

http://gfycat.com/GlossyDevotedBison

Spoiler: DAIR

http://gfycat.com/MintyIdioticBittern

Spoiler: UAIR

http://gfycat.com/ComplicatedDisfiguredCrossbill

Spoiler: BLADE BEAM (Cloud)

http://gfycat.com/DampAmazingKakarikis

Spoiler: CLIMHAZARD (Rising)

http://gfycat.com/WillingApprehensiveArgentinehornedfrog

Spoiler: CROSS SLASH 1

http://gfycat.com/CalmMedicalAquaticleech

Spoiler: CROSS SLASH 2

http://gfycat.com/DeliciousDapperBlacklab

Spoiler: CROSS SLASH 3

http://gfycat.com/SadOpenIvorygull

Spoiler: FINISHING TOUCH

Last Hitbox is a Windbox

http://gfycat.com/ComfortableUnsungAlaskanhusky

And there you go!

Gimme a sec to add in direct links.

EDIT: Direct links added in.
EDIT2: Fix'd some urls so all of them should work now

 

[Fireboy]

I would really like to know what part of the hit box of his Fair/Dair is the spike, I have never fully understood that.

 

[Furil]

 

[HFlash]

This thread needs to get sticked ASAP

 

[~Skelly~]

Great input on your part Furil . This'll definitely help out on fleshing out Cloud.

I agree with HFlash , this needs a sticky.

 

[Fireboy]

Thank you very much!

 

[tracking]

This is really cool! I can't wait to see more characters have hitbox visualizations, especially greninjas...

EDIT: Is it possible to show the hurtboxes of the characters as well? That'd be nice (also for greninja b/c his crouch is way higher than it shows, same with Dsmash).

 

[GHNeko]

Furil Can you obtain the hitboxes pictures with the landing detection dot active? If you look at the mewtwo example, there is the dot between mewtwo's feet that is used to determine landing collision.

If not, do you know how I can go about getting the gifts myself?

 

[JTPROG]

cool, ike please!

 

[Sandy34]

What is going on with that UAir...

 

[HFlash]

cool, ike please!

I'd go to the Ike boards for that

What is going on with that UAir...

Shhhhh. It's totally balanced.

 

[JTPROG]

I'd go to the Ike boards for that

Yeah but Furil has done it for multiple characters and just posted here so would see it here

 

[Tetra-76]

Looking at the gfycat, it looks like Finishing Touch doesn't have a hitbox on frame 18 :

Kurogane Hammer says it does, and it just seems weird to me that it wouldn't have a hitbox for just one frame... Can you look into that?

 

[GHNeko]

Probably has some something to do with how the gifs were created. A frame is missing for Fair, for example.

 

[Tetra-76]

I counted, and the Fair frame data is the same as what's written on Kurogane Hammer, I'm not sure what you're referring to.

 

[Furil]

Looking at the gfycat, it looks like Finishing Touch doesn't have a hitbox on frame 18 :
Kurogane Hammer says it does, and it just seems weird to me that it wouldn't have a hitbox for just one frame... Can you look into that?

That is interesting... Let's see...
So here is the code for the first hit box stuff.
On frame 18 there is an unknown command (0x7698BB42). My parser interpreted it as "remove previous hitbox" which I added back when first building this because Lucas' down smash uses it, and it made sense I guess. (Maybe it modifies it in some other way?)
I don't actually remember the reason for thinking that.

Here is what Finishing touch looks like without that command:

Spoiler

I guess it's because it looked weird that the last hitbox there would stay for so long.
I am unsure of which is correct. Finish Touch and Lucas' down smash are the only attacks I've seen use that command so far.
Could someone try to test this? Like run into Cloud after he's done swinging and see if the hit connects?

Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=16)
Set_bit(Unknown=0x2100000D)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x1A1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=10, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=13, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=9)
0x6F52E135
0x00000016
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=17)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x1A1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=8, Unknown=0, Unknown=20, Unknown=9, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=16, Unknown=10)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=18)
0x7698BB42
0x00000000
0x0000002A
Unknown_684(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0.1)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=19)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x186, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=8, Unknown=0, Unknown=16, Unknown=-11.5, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=-11)
0x6F52E135
0x00000016
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=20)
0x7698BB42
0x00000000
0x0000002A
Unknown_684(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0.1)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=27)
0x67E8E687
Clear_bit(Unknown=0x2100000D)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0x169, Unknown=0x64, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=13, Unknown=0, Unknown=15, Unknown=16, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0, Unknown=15, Unknown=-16)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=32)
Remove_All_Hitboxes()
Script_End()

Edit:
Kurogane also lists the late hit to only be there on frame 19.

The code here doesn't seem to suggest it's removal...
On frame 19 change hitbox 0 into that hitbox
unknown command
2 unknown command on frame 20
On frame 27, change into windbox.

Either I'm missing something or kurogane hammer made an error...

Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=19)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x186, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=8, Unknown=0, Unknown=16, Unknown=-11.5, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=-11)
0x6F52E135(0x00000016)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=20)
0x7698BB42(0x00000000, 0x0000002A) // what is this?
Unknown_684(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0.1)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=27)

 

[GHNeko]

I counted, and the Fair frame data is the same as what's written on Kurogane Hammer, I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Whoops. I just cant count nevermind.

 

[Tetra-76]

I just tested it in training mode, I really wish I had a capture card to show you the results.

First of, I tried getting hit where the sword is on frame 18, since it'd make sense for a hitbox to be there. Couldn't get it to work, I'd either phase through it, or get hit on frame 19 instead. I also tried getting hit on the front, where the hitbox would be if it stayed in the same as it is on frame 17, just like in your new GIF. I managed to pause right on frame 17, with Mega Man falling down on Cloud, his feet almost touching the green trail (a pixel or two away from a phantom hit I'm pretty sure), but when I pressed L again to unpause, I didn't get hit, either. Finally, I tested to see if the late hitbox lingered until the windbox, like on your GIF, and nope, it definitely doesn't.

So in short, it looks like your first GIF was correct, and there is no hitbox on frame 18, as weird as it sounds. Unless it's some very special property, or I messed up myself, you can't get hit by Finishing Touch on that frame.

I guess it explains some of those seemingly random Finishing Touch misses.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

That is interesting... Let's see...
So here is the code for the first hit box stuff.
On frame 18 there is an unknown command (0x7698BB42). My parser interpreted it as "remove previous hitbox" which I added back when first building this because Lucas' down smash uses it, and it made sense I guess. (Maybe it modifies it in some other way?)
I don't actually remember the reason for thinking that.

Here is what Finishing touch looks like without that command:

Spoiler

I guess it's because it looked weird that the last hitbox there would stay for so long.
I am unsure of which is correct. Finish Touch and Lucas' down smash are the only attacks I've seen use that command so far.
Could someone try to test this? Like run into Cloud after he's done swinging and see if the hit connects?

Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=16)
Set_bit(Unknown=0x2100000D)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x1A1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=10, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=13, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=9)
0x6F52E135
0x00000016
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=17)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x1A1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=8, Unknown=0, Unknown=20, Unknown=9, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=16, Unknown=10)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=18)
0x7698BB42
0x00000000
0x0000002A
Unknown_684(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0.1)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=19)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x186, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=8, Unknown=0, Unknown=16, Unknown=-11.5, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=-11)
0x6F52E135
0x00000016
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=20)
0x7698BB42
0x00000000
0x0000002A
Unknown_684(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0.1)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=27)
0x67E8E687
Clear_bit(Unknown=0x2100000D)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0x169, Unknown=0x64, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=13, Unknown=0, Unknown=15, Unknown=16, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0, Unknown=15, Unknown=-16)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=32)
Remove_All_Hitboxes()
Script_End()

Edit:
Kurogane also lists the late hit to only be there on frame 19.

The code here doesn't seem to suggest it's removal...
On frame 19 change hitbox 0 into that hitbox
unknown command
2 unknown command on frame 20
On frame 27, change into windbox.

Either I'm missing something or kurogane hammer made an error...

Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=19)
Extended_Special_Hitbox(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x50, Unknown=0x186, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x3C, Unknown=8, Unknown=0, Unknown=16, Unknown=-11.5, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=2, Unknown=1, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x2, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x3, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0xA, Unknown=0x3F, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0xF, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x1, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0, Unknown=10, Unknown=-11)
0x6F52E135(0x00000016)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=20)
0x7698BB42(0x00000000, 0x0000002A) // what is this?
Unknown_684(Unknown=0x0, Unknown=0.1)
Asynchronous_Timer(Frames=27)

Talk to me because I can't figure out WTF the move is either, LOL

 

[KuroganeHammer]

OK, random thought time, Lucas's dsmash cannot hit opponents more once it hits someone. Perhaps this command is a "remove hitbox but don't allow the next added hitbox to hit opponents too" command?

It's worth mentioning that when I added Cloud's data, I originally had it listed as no hitbox on frame 18, but then I thought, that can't be right, because there's pretty much no recorded instance of a single hit move having no hitboxes randomly between it. So I'm happy to accept that's the reason for the command. Seems useless though, why not just make it a normal hitbox the whole way through? Furil

 

[Lavani]

That's probably accurate. On most moves where IDs between hitboxes aren't different you don't get the late values hitting if the early ones already did, but on a move like Wario's nair (or really, pretty much any multihit) where there's a break between hitboxes the ID isn't relevant.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

But what I can't understand is... why put a break in the hitbox? All you had to do was put the first hitbox there, then delete the old or change the value on frame 18.

I will never understand this poorly coded game SERIES tbh.