Cless Alvein for Brawl

[Cless]

At the suggestion of courte and since I have it in my sig anyway, I figured I might as well make a thread for it despite the overwhelming odds against his inclusion. There were other Tales threads, but they were about Symphonia or Lloyd.

Anyway, Cless is the main character of Tales of Phantasia, which was made for the Super Nintendo originally. It was remade for the GBA, and some Playstation systems, but that has nothing to do with Nintendo. Cless uses a sword (big surprise for a Tales hero), so let the 'oh noes, more sword users' commence.

Spoiler

He also becomes the master of time and space by the end of the game, so there's that.

So, I dunno, I don't think any Namco character is going to get in Brawl, but I can hope.

So let's see if I can assemble some kind of move list. I hate the English names for his moves, but I'll use them, but if by some divine miracle that he got in, this game would be played in Japanese at my house.

That's his neutral stance. If it's not big enough, oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoFuBxVg5ss
A reference video for some of his moves. The first one is Demon Fang, the second one is Sword Rain except Cless wouldn't do the rising slash, the third one is Tiger Blade, the fourth one is Rising Phoenix, the seventh is Distortion Blade, and the eighth is Lunge.

A: Downward chopping slash
A-A: A stab
A repeatedly: Goes into Sword Rain

The first two A's look like his normal neutral combo.

forward tilt: A kick attack like Stahn's when he loses his sword in ToD PSX.
up tilt: A rising forward slash that ends behind him; the same as his up attack from the games.
down tilt: A stab similar looking to Marth's

forward smash: Void Tempest
up smash: Hell Pyre, but he won't jump nearly as high and the fireball won't be as large. More like Kratos' and Zelos' in ToS
down smash: Guardian Field, but more like Cless stabs straight down into the ground (like Link's dair) and a small field appears for a very short time. Nothing at all like it is in ToP. The attack would look more like how Luke does it in TotA.

nair: The first two kicks of Swallow Dance. Might be comparable to Falcon's nair, but it wouldn't look like that.
fair: A strong chopping slash. Same as his air attack in the game.
bair: Pretty much the same as his fair, but he uses two hands so it's a little stronger and this move turns him around.
uair: An overhead slash similar looking to Marth's, but Cless wouldn't flip.
dair: Rising Phoenix as it would be used in the air. The phoenix wouldn't be nearly as big as in the games. It would probably look like a Falcon Kick in midair

up throw: Victory Light Spear (Cless made up all these moves, he can borrow one of his many imitator's moves)
down throw: Beast straight into the ground
forward throw: Tiger Blade
back throw: Lightning Tiger Blade

neutral b: Demon Fang
up b: Lunge, but the protective field would be more localized, he wouldn't teleport back since that wouldn't make it a good recovery more, and he wouldn't go into the combo after he lands.
down b: Chaos Blade, but the energy that gathers would be much more localized around Cless, and the wave that he fires wouldn't be as large.
side b: Distortion Blade, but not the ridiculous range it has in ToP, and the dome would be purely graphical as it is in ToP.

Final smash: Dark Blade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRx9yXittUE) or Eternal Blade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9THk4na-Y)

Ok, discuss and suggest, or don't and let the thread die like the other Tales threads. Either way is fine.

 

[courte]

wow you made this so quick i'd be tempted to think you had it in a notepad saved away
i guess it goes without saying i'm all for cless as namco doesn't have such a strong line in terms of representative in regards to nintendo

that and no other "sword user" actually has so many techniques and attacks to stem from part of my delight with this character is that even if he gets in, there would more than likely be some fan of the series in the world who would have some qualm about it, and if they get upset about him in the game then perhaps>they play the game

BUT LET ME STATE IF HE DOESN'T GET IN EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD WILL BE OK AS WE ARE EXPECTING JUST THAT!! DO NOT REMIND US!!

 

[Cless]

Yeah, I definitely didn't have this saved on Notepad.

I guess no one cares about Cless as much as their obscure Nintendo characters. Well, one bump then I'll let it die.

 

[courte]

did u submit it to the index??

 

[Cless]

Now I did.

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>.>

But if people don't want to talk about it anyway, what am I supposed to do? He's not nearly as popular or well-known as Lloyd. Well, in America anyway. Cless is way more popular than Lloyd in Japan.

 

[courte]

well my fingers are just crossed for the first reply to NOT be a flamer

 

[Cless]

If there is a first reply...

8 hour bump

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

I like him but I think he kind of loses out to Pacman

 

[Cless]

Yeah, probably, but I mean, Namco didn't even put Pac-man in their own crossover game with Capcom. Pac-man would definitely be more recognizable.

All 3-d pac-man does is eat dots, bounce, and roll. I'd like it better if he were an AT because he could be classic arcade pac-man and eat people. Plus, Namco retired pac-man with the championship edition of pac-man.

 

[Rubydragon]

Cless is cooler than Lloyd, that's for sure. In fact, he's my favorite Tales character aside from Guy.

I don't see his chances as very high, but I'd still support him.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

klonoa owns this guy

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

Yeah, probably, but I mean, Namco didn't even put Pac-man in their own crossover game with Capcom. Pac-man would definitely be more recognizable.

All 3-d pac-man does is eat dots, bounce, and roll. I'd like it better if he were an AT because he could be classic arcade pac-man and eat people. Plus, Namco retired pac-man with the championship edition of pac-man.

Yeah it's really hard to tell with namco so it will probably end up with megaman and no other third partys because he is so popular

 

[2.72]

I like him but I think he kind of loses out to Pacman

Ummm... yes, if Namco were choosing a character that would be the case. Nintendo, however, is not not Namco, and they are not choosing a character to represent Namco. That's like saying "Cless can't be in because he loses out to Ridley." It makes no sense.

Now, Pacman is definitely a gaming icon, perhaps the most recognized one. The Tales characters, however, fit very naturally into Brawl. They might not exactly be icons, but they aren't unknowns either, and they translate more nicely into the SSB fighting style than any other character I can come up with.

I would prefer Lloyd, and I can't see them both getting in, but what the heck. If Lloyd can't be, Cless for Brawl!

 

[courte]

Klonoa has a hard enough time, having his franchise continued, so i don;t thin he should go around pikcing fights with guys who slice his kind up and down the field twenty times

not to confuse anyone i would love to see klonoa in brawl, but i think his chances are as likely as sparkster

 

[Llumys]

*Sigh*

I figured.

I know him as Cress Albane, and I support him for Brawl, as unlikely as he is.

 

[Cless]

I was gonna type up a reason against Klonoa, but I found a post detailing out Namco characters I made a year ago.

Well we can have people from: Klonoa, Soul Calibur, Tales of Symphonia, Tales of Phantasia, and Xenosaga I guess. Might be missing one or two.

Out of those, the best chances lie in Klonoa and the two Tales of games, like justice said. I don't know how the Klonoa GBA games did, but very few people in America know about Klonoa, and if they do, it's most likely going to be because of Symphonia. I don't know how big of a following Klonoa has in Japan, it can't be that big because a game hasn't been made since Klonoa Heroes in 2002. His latest appearance was in Namco X Capcom, which didn't sell well.

Symphonia did well here, but on the GCN in Japan, it sold rather poorly which is why they ported it to the PS2. Phantasia sold poorly here for the GBA, but I don't know about the sales for the other systems. Truth be told though, the Tales of series is more closely associated with the Playstation.

So, take it for what it's worth.

Pac-Man would probably be fun to play as. See, I told you I forgot a couple. The only thing though is that a move set for him might be difficult since he can only bounce, roll, and eat things, but I'm sure they'd manage.

That's fine that you know him as Cress. I mean, they only made his name that to have continuity with the older Tales games that were released with him in it, and to have a wordplay with Mint's name. Claus though, that was weird, and they changed the spelling of his name in the anime to Klaus anyway.

Also, how do you people feel about the moveset?

 

[AIM0001]

I like him but I think he kind of loses out to Pacman

Yeah call me crazy but I would like to see Pac-Man in Brawl. As for Cless, I'm not going to diss on him or anything cuz I never played this game but I will say we have enough sword welders in Brawl espeacially if Marth is back in Brawl.

 

[Cless]

He may be a sword user, but he'd be a way more unique sword user than Marth, Ike, or Link.

 

[courte]

Yeah call me crazy but I would like to see Pac-Man in Brawl. As for Cless, I'm not going to diss on him or anything cuz I never played this game but I will say we have enough sword welders in Brawl espeacially if Marth is back in Brawl.

invalid argument--i could argue we have way too many unarmed combatants and we need more sword users to balance the play field

a terrible excuse i know but not so different from your own

and like cless said, Mr. Alein would be the only sword wielder among the rest with and undeniable unique flair and a whole other type of "technique"

 

[NCRT]

While I would rather have Lion, Zelos, or Chester. Having anyone from a tales game thats not Lloyd, would be amazing. I like your moveset allright, but some of the smashes seem more like B moves to me. Also no tempest makes me sad.

 

[Cless]

I'd like Leon and Zelos too, but Leon hasn't been on a Nintendo console, and they'd have a main character before a party member (despite Zelos' constant assertions that he's the main character). I wouldn't want Chester though because he is straight up archery. Though Chester is the best archer ever.

Cless doesn't know Tempest. The first character that has Tempest is Stahn, and Lunge is way cooler than Tempest will ever be. I know that the smashes seem like b moves, but I wanted to reflect the fact that in the games, all any Tales character really does is special moves. I also wanted to differentiate him from all the other sword users in the game.

If you've seen Void Tempest in Phantasia, you'd think that it was the perfect fsmash. It's nothing like Guy's in Abyss. Guardian Field makes a decent down smash as long as they modify it from the Phantasia and Abyss versions. The only one I really don't like is Hell Pyre, but I really can't think of a better up smash. Light Spear would make a fantastic up smash, but not Cless', but then I wouldn't know what to put as an up throw. I'll have to think about it some more.

I freaking hate the English names!

 

[NCRT]

Lion was in 2 gameboy games, they never came to America though. In fact any major Tales character that came out before Symphonia was on the game boy games. I think they were called Tales of the World Nakiri Dungeon...or something like that. So any tales character COULD be chosen. However I doubt any of them acctualy would be.

 

[Cless]

You know, I'm really starting to think that the appeared in a Nintendo game is being taken too seriously. Like, yeah fine, every Tales character Symphonia and down was in Narikiri Dungeon 3, but I really think that they meant like characters that were in their own original games on the Nintendo systems.

 

[gangstajuice02]

he looks alright for brawl!!!

 

[gangstajuice02]

i change my mind he would be great!!!!!!!

 

[Cless]

Don't spam in my thread. I will report you. If you're going to say something, say something constructive. Also there is an edit button for a reason.

 

[Kriven]

Not sure if Hell Pyre is the Japanese name for this, but I think Rising Phoenix would make a decent recovery.

 

[Cless]

Hmm, see, in my opinion, Rising Phoenix makes a terrible recovery move. If used on the ground, you rise up and backwards, then plunge down straight down on an angle into the ground. If used in the air, you just go straight down on an angle like the Falcon Kick.

Tempest makes a fantastic recovery move though because it has great horizontal distance and functions exactly the same in mid-air or on the ground. Sadly, Cless doesn't know Tempest (not that he needs it), but he does know Lunge which is a teleporting move. It could function like Mewtwo's Teleport in that you can control which way Cless appears from, but he'd still have the diving strike of the move, so I guess it would be a combination of Jump from the FFs and Teleport in Smash.

Hell Pyre is Gurenken in Japanese. It's a move that is similar to Light Spear in appearance, but instead of a diving descent, Cless, Stahn, Reid, Kratos, or Zelos shoot a fireball from their swords at the apex of the move.

Rising Phoenix is Houou Tenku.

 

[Seiya]

I agree with you all the way. Cless is the only one I think would have the best chance of getting in if they choose to pick a Tales of character.

Lunge/Gugnir? would be a pretty cool Up B. Teleporting back onto the stage and when you do, Cless does the combo hitson the person at the edge XD

 

[Cless]

Personally, I think Lloyd would be way more likely with ToS: Knight of Ratatosk coming out whenever it does.

Gungnir is the best spear in the game (it better be, since it's Odin's). Lunge is the attack. I think I'm going to complain about the English names in every post.

 

[Ademisk]

I think Arche should be in Brawl. And her Final Smash would be to screw like a weasel.


Also, if he had ever been on a Nintendo system, Claude C Kenni would be way better for Brawl. BURN!!


No, but I seriously respect someone who comes up with such a great underrated character for a Brawl choice. If only Nintendo would make a Smash Bros with all the great 3rd party characters.

 

[courte]

i certainly hope sora. ltd goes into doing something like that for all companies, considered if theyre still around after this one

 

[Cless]

**** like a tiger. Where did screw like a weasel come from? Anyway, if Arche had a serious FS, it would be Big Bang.

I guess you could have Claude's father, but he was a pansy mage, so I guess it would be Ratix then. Coincidentally, did you know that the SFC Phantasia was made by people who would eventually form Tri-Ace? You can see the similarities between Star Ocean and the first Phantasia.

 

[courte]

Coincidentally, did you know that the SFC Phantasia was made by people who would eventually form Tri-Ace? You can see the similarities between Star Ocean and the first Phantasia.

thank you. you have no idea how long that racked my brain.

i thought to myself "they seem so similar but... no this one is enix and this other one is namco no way... but it's gotta be..." lol

 

[Ademisk]

It's been like 3 years since I played the game, gimme a break. I got the euphemism and an animal, that's good enough.

And yeah, I knew that. But it's always seemed like the two had such a freaking rivalry. Star Ocean VS ToP, Star Ocean 2 VS ToD, Star Ocean 3 VS ToS(with ToS being the straight up winner in that un).

Plus they've always been the perfect representation of the two schools of Real Time Battle RPGs. The Full Map and the Horizontal Scrolling. ToP was really perfect though, whereas Star Ocean...I dunno, it didn't do it for me, it felt like it was way inferior to Star Ocean 2 in a way that ToP wasn't to ToD. ToS just blew the Star Ocean series out of the water though, game freaking over.

 

[Cless]

It's been a while since I played that particular translation. Maybe about 3 years for me too.

 

[courte]

i know this is stupid but if cless was in any tails game, namco tales rep of almost all series installments could be fixed with the concept of todays update... now i'm cless and OMG now i'm stan and OMG now i'm llo==KRATOS lol just my two cents and yes i can see the wario alone is special in the frist line

 

[Cless]

No, I wouldn't want that. All the heroes have way different ougis, except for Lloyd because Lloyd fails at life.