arbustopachon
Smash Journeyman
So i was goofing around on training mode when i realized that once sourspot nair starts knocking the opponent into tumble it leaves them in a position in which a buffered flareblitz kills at the ledge and covers tech in place, tech roll in, tech roll away and no tech. You need to hit the nair pretty close to the ground, otherwise they can normal get up forward.
While the majority of characters seem to be able to just di away and buffer a jump to escape, at some percents some can't escape this.
To test this i went into training mode in frame skip mode and held the control stick up while buffering a jump. Here are the results:
45%-46%
61%-67%
51%
51%-58%
50%-51%, with limit 50%-55%
47%-48%
60%-61%
45%-47%
43%-44%
52%
55%-56%
58%-69%
60%-61%
51%-52%
46%-51%
48%
51%-52%
44%
39%-42%
44%
54%-60%
52%-54%
49%-51%
(jump)46%-57%
52%-54%
52%
46%
48%-50%
47%-49%
44%-45%
As you can see it is only true for fast fallers and only during a very short percent window, still you can get away with this if your opponent is at lowish percents since nair doen't have that much hitstun and is quite fast.
While the majority of characters seem to be able to just di away and buffer a jump to escape, at some percents some can't escape this.
To test this i went into training mode in frame skip mode and held the control stick up while buffering a jump. Here are the results:
45%-46%61%-67%51%51%-58%50%-51%, with limit 50%-55%47%-48%60%-61%45%-47%43%-44%52%55%-56%58%-69%60%-61%51%-52%46%-51%48%51%-52%44%39%-42%44%54%-60%52%-54%49%-51%(jump)46%-57%52%-54%52%46%48%-50%47%-49%44%-45%Mario without di 50%-71%, with di it is not true.
Dk without di 60%-96%, with di 60%-61%.
Link without di 51%-83%, with di 51%-52%.
Samus without di 53%-61%, with di it is not true.
Yoshi without di 51%-60%, with di it is not true.
Kirby without di 44%-51%, with di it is not true.
Fox without di 43%-78%, with di 43%-44%.
Pikachu without di 44%-67%, with di 44%.
Luigi without di 49%-58%, with di it is not true.
Ness without di 48%-57%, with di is not true.
C.falcon without di 51%-110%, with di 51%-58%.
Puff without di 41%-42%, with it is not true.
Peach without di 47%-53%, with di it is not true.
Bowser without di 61%-112%, with di 61%-67%.
Ice climbers without di 48%-56%, with di it is not true.
Sheik without di 44%-73%, with di it is not true.
Zelda without di 46%-54%, with di it is not true.
Pichu without di 39%-83%, with di 39%-42%.
Falco without di 45%-87% with di 45%-47%.
Marth without di 47%-72%, with di it is not true.
Young link without di 47%-94%, with di 47%-49%.
Ganon without di 56%-97%, with di it is not true.
Mewtwo without di 44%-67%, with di it is not true.
Roy without di 49%-97%, with di 49%-51%.
Game and Watch without di 43%-49%, with di it is not true.
Meta Knight without di 44%-78%, with di 44%.
Pit without di 49%-69%, with di it is not true.
Zero suit Samus without di 44%-79, with di 44%-45%.
Wario without di 52%-84%, with di it is not true.
Snake without di 52%-96%, with di 52%.
Ike without di 52%-88%, with di 52%.
Squirtle without di 43%-49%, with di it is not true.
Ivysaur without di 49%-59%, with di it is not true.
Charizard without di 55%-78%, with di it is not true.
Diddy Kong without di 47%-87%, with di 47%-48%.
Lukas without di 48%-58%, with di it is not true.
Sonic without di 46%-82%, with di 46%.
Dedede without di 58%-135%, with di 58%-69%
Olimar without di 44%-52%, with di it is not true.
Lucario without di 48%-87%, with di 48%.
ROB without di 52%-84%, with di it is not true.
Toon Link without di 48%-57%, with di it is not true.
Wolf without di 48%-92%, with di 48%-50%.
Villager without di 48%-56%, with di it is not true.
Mega Man without di 51%-105%, with di 51%-52%.
Wii Fit Trainer without di 49%-57%, with di it is not true.
Rosalina without di 45%-50%, with di it is not true.
Little Mac without di 46%-110%, with di 46%-51%
Greninja without di 47%-76%, with di it is not true.
Palutena without di 48%-68%, with di it is not true.
Pac-Man without di 49%-58%, with di it is not true.
Robin without di 49%-70%, with di it is not true.
Shulk without di 49-79%, with di it is not true.
Buster 46%-76%, with di it is not true.
Jump 46%-138%, with di 46%-57%.
Speed 49%-72%, with di it is not true.
Smash 28%-51%, with di it is not true.
Shield 184%-244%, with di it is not true.
Bowser Jr. without di 51%-91%, with di 51%.
Duck Hunt without di 46%-81%, with di it is not true.
Ryu without di 51%-77%, with di it is not true.
Cloud without di 50%-91%, with di 50%-51%.
Limit 50%-108%, with di 50%-55%.
Corrin without di 50%-88%, with di it is not true.
Bayonetta without di 45%-84%, with di 45%-46%.
Inkling without di 48%-76%, with di it is not true.
Ridley without di 52%-103%, with di 52%-54%.
Simon without di 52%-112%, with di 52%-54%.
Krool without di 60%-109%, with di 60%-61%.
Isabelle without di 47%-55%, with di it is not true.
Incineroar without di 55%-101%, with di 55%-56%.
Piranha plant without di 54%-117%, with di 54%-60%
Joker without di 48%-74%, with di it is not true.
Brawler without di 48%-68%, with di it is not true.
Swordfighter without di 50%-75%, with di it is not true.
Gunner without di 51%-66%, with di it is not true.
Dk without di 60%-96%, with di 60%-61%.
Link without di 51%-83%, with di 51%-52%.
Samus without di 53%-61%, with di it is not true.
Yoshi without di 51%-60%, with di it is not true.
Kirby without di 44%-51%, with di it is not true.
Fox without di 43%-78%, with di 43%-44%.
Pikachu without di 44%-67%, with di 44%.
Luigi without di 49%-58%, with di it is not true.
Ness without di 48%-57%, with di is not true.
C.falcon without di 51%-110%, with di 51%-58%.
Puff without di 41%-42%, with it is not true.
Peach without di 47%-53%, with di it is not true.
Bowser without di 61%-112%, with di 61%-67%.
Ice climbers without di 48%-56%, with di it is not true.
Sheik without di 44%-73%, with di it is not true.
Zelda without di 46%-54%, with di it is not true.
Pichu without di 39%-83%, with di 39%-42%.
Falco without di 45%-87% with di 45%-47%.
Marth without di 47%-72%, with di it is not true.
Young link without di 47%-94%, with di 47%-49%.
Ganon without di 56%-97%, with di it is not true.
Mewtwo without di 44%-67%, with di it is not true.
Roy without di 49%-97%, with di 49%-51%.
Game and Watch without di 43%-49%, with di it is not true.
Meta Knight without di 44%-78%, with di 44%.
Pit without di 49%-69%, with di it is not true.
Zero suit Samus without di 44%-79, with di 44%-45%.
Wario without di 52%-84%, with di it is not true.
Snake without di 52%-96%, with di 52%.
Ike without di 52%-88%, with di 52%.
Squirtle without di 43%-49%, with di it is not true.
Ivysaur without di 49%-59%, with di it is not true.
Charizard without di 55%-78%, with di it is not true.
Diddy Kong without di 47%-87%, with di 47%-48%.
Lukas without di 48%-58%, with di it is not true.
Sonic without di 46%-82%, with di 46%.
Dedede without di 58%-135%, with di 58%-69%
Olimar without di 44%-52%, with di it is not true.
Lucario without di 48%-87%, with di 48%.
ROB without di 52%-84%, with di it is not true.
Toon Link without di 48%-57%, with di it is not true.
Wolf without di 48%-92%, with di 48%-50%.
Villager without di 48%-56%, with di it is not true.
Mega Man without di 51%-105%, with di 51%-52%.
Wii Fit Trainer without di 49%-57%, with di it is not true.
Rosalina without di 45%-50%, with di it is not true.
Little Mac without di 46%-110%, with di 46%-51%
Greninja without di 47%-76%, with di it is not true.
Palutena without di 48%-68%, with di it is not true.
Pac-Man without di 49%-58%, with di it is not true.
Robin without di 49%-70%, with di it is not true.
Shulk without di 49-79%, with di it is not true.
Buster 46%-76%, with di it is not true.
Jump 46%-138%, with di 46%-57%.
Speed 49%-72%, with di it is not true.
Smash 28%-51%, with di it is not true.
Shield 184%-244%, with di it is not true.
Bowser Jr. without di 51%-91%, with di 51%.
Duck Hunt without di 46%-81%, with di it is not true.
Ryu without di 51%-77%, with di it is not true.
Cloud without di 50%-91%, with di 50%-51%.
Limit 50%-108%, with di 50%-55%.
Corrin without di 50%-88%, with di it is not true.
Bayonetta without di 45%-84%, with di 45%-46%.
Inkling without di 48%-76%, with di it is not true.
Ridley without di 52%-103%, with di 52%-54%.
Simon without di 52%-112%, with di 52%-54%.
Krool without di 60%-109%, with di 60%-61%.
Isabelle without di 47%-55%, with di it is not true.
Incineroar without di 55%-101%, with di 55%-56%.
Piranha plant without di 54%-117%, with di 54%-60%
Joker without di 48%-74%, with di it is not true.
Brawler without di 48%-68%, with di it is not true.
Swordfighter without di 50%-75%, with di it is not true.
Gunner without di 51%-66%, with di it is not true.
As you can see it is only true for fast fallers and only during a very short percent window, still you can get away with this if your opponent is at lowish percents since nair doen't have that much hitstun and is quite fast.
Last edited:
