- Oct 10, 2008
There is a lot of hate towards Zelda. I don't know why, but she's actually a decent character. I tried her once or twice, and was pretty good with her. So I made her one of my thirds.
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According to this topic, the tiers would end up looking like this:
Mr. Game & Watch
Zero Suit Samus
Captain Falcon (There is no hope)
Europe's best player mains snake and his secondry is lucas.Hmm, mayb lucas too, I believe the best brawler in Europe mains Lucas so thats either saying something about Europe's ability as a whole or its saying something about the potential ability of lucas when played at his best. Im hoping its the second one, but lucas does take quite a long time to learn due to a ridiculous number of ATs.
I don't hate her. I just think her Up B is ****ing terrible, and it's probably the main reason as to why she's limited.There is a lot of hate towards Zelda. I don't know why, but she's actually a decent character. I tried her once or twice, and was pretty good with her. So I made her one of my thirds.
lol @ Zelda being useless.Only time she is anywhere near useful is in doubles when both people on the other team have 100% +
Boss and tc1 are ****** a lot of top players right now with Mario. There are also a few other pretty good ones (there's one named Dory on the west coast thats looking like a new star). Mario has been proven to be tourney viable.Yoshi and Sonic are going up for sure. Maybe Lucas, Mario, and Ness is someone could prove they're tourny viable.
This is what ****s me to tears about competitve smash. It seems the people who write the tier lists like to say they are a combination of tournament results and matchups across the board, but that doesnt sit well with me. Im going to use my main Sonic as an example because he is the most blatantly misplaced character when it comes to the rankings thread and the tier list.For anyone who is middle tierish or worse, tournament results are a really awful predictor of quality because those characters doing well is almost always going to be the product of a pretty small number of players who are just random fans. It's basically luck of the draw as per which characters do better in the random fan competition...
I can almost guarantee that if Mario weren't Mario and were instead a random character (but who had all the same moves and ingame relevant properties) that his results would be worse. It's not hard to assert that most people who use Mario, including those who do well, use him because he's Mario the Nintendo character or Mario the smash series character, not Mario the brawl character. Him being the "first" and "default" character in so many random contexts also probably has an impact; if you don't know anything about the game, you are more likely to pick him first than other characters which definitely biases the pool of players in his favor.
In terms of the mainstream metagame, what actually matters for the bottom half of the cast is the following which tournaments are going to provide very limited data for.
1. Not having one (or worse, more) unwinnable matchups.
2. Not being hard countered by the best characters.
3. Having real advantages against characters who are good.
Also, about the actual tier list published by the SBR, don't take too much stock in it, especially as far as characters below the halfway mark are concerned. Like I said, tournaments don't tell us much about those lower characters, and even among SBR members it's not likely that many if any of the players have deep experiences with all of the worse characters. Even more, since those characters aren't really significant factors at tournaments, there is likely not going to be a lot of concern about being accurate with exactly how good they are. You see this among random people too; I'm not trying to call out the SBR. If I take a typical tier list and move Meta Knight down to 2nd place, a lot of people are going to go nuts complaining about how wrong I am even though I'm ranking him very close to what they think he should be. On the other hand, if I move a random middle to low tier character down seven places, odds are I won't get that much complaint. Indeed among the bottom 8-9 I could probably literally randomly generate the list with very few complaints as long as I rigged it so Captain Falcon and Ganondorf were guaranteed to be within a few places of the bottom. People just don't care... It's actually a shame; a character who proves to be "better than we thought but still not good" is pretty likely to never get any recognition at all except perhaps on the extremely long term as the community as a whole grows more familiar with everything about the game.
man i told you PT doesn't suckAmazing Ampharos said:The reason I predict the Pokemon Trainer will rise at least somewhat is because his switching mechanic, while really limiting in most cases, does let him avoid pretty much all completely terrible matchups while significantly improving his chance at finding unlikely advantages.
Olimar's easily gimped as well.honestly i dont see PT rising anytime soon.
i think he has potential but not very many people main him and he doesnt have the greatest tourney rankings. and IMO ivysaur is holding them back cuz he is so easily gimped
:OFrom now on, use Ivysaur at higher %s so you can DI up and not ever have to Up B.