ihasabuket
Smash Journeyman
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I posted this on reddit a few minutes ago but I thought it better to post here. So as some people know when you crouch using the diagonal notch behind you the game lets you jab straight out of a crouch meaning you can CC jab. I never see ganons use this to CC spacie aerials. I wasnt sure on this next part so i need some help from the ganon boards.
If ganon CCs a fox shine what is fox's frame advantage and does ganon have enough time to stuff a waveshine? I looked up fox's framedata and noticed dair has set KB and 9 frames of landing lag. Im not sure about this but i have a feeling you can CC jab fox during his dair landinglag before he can shine. You might be able to shield grab dair before shine comes out though its a tight window. Dair does 2-3% meaning 2-3 frames of shield stun unstaled so that means if he hits the frame before he lands ganon will be in shieldstun the first 2 or 3 frames of foxs landinglag. Grab comes out frames 7-8. If ganon shield grabs frame perfect and fox shines frame perfect your grab will come out on the last frame of his landinglag or his first actionable frame which would be the frame he shines. If your grab comes out on the frame he shines you should be able to grab armor through shine on frame 7 and it will grab him frame 8 during shine endlag. Also there are 1 frame gaps between dair hits so if youre lucky you might get that extra frame of leniency.
Mind you this is all in theory. I havent been able to test this because I dont have a setup at the moment. Itd be great if you guys could test this out im pretty sure the frame data is spot on.
If ganon CCs a fox shine what is fox's frame advantage and does ganon have enough time to stuff a waveshine? I looked up fox's framedata and noticed dair has set KB and 9 frames of landing lag. Im not sure about this but i have a feeling you can CC jab fox during his dair landinglag before he can shine. You might be able to shield grab dair before shine comes out though its a tight window. Dair does 2-3% meaning 2-3 frames of shield stun unstaled so that means if he hits the frame before he lands ganon will be in shieldstun the first 2 or 3 frames of foxs landinglag. Grab comes out frames 7-8. If ganon shield grabs frame perfect and fox shines frame perfect your grab will come out on the last frame of his landinglag or his first actionable frame which would be the frame he shines. If your grab comes out on the frame he shines you should be able to grab armor through shine on frame 7 and it will grab him frame 8 during shine endlag. Also there are 1 frame gaps between dair hits so if youre lucky you might get that extra frame of leniency.
Mind you this is all in theory. I havent been able to test this because I dont have a setup at the moment. Itd be great if you guys could test this out im pretty sure the frame data is spot on.
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