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marth killer isn't necessary as falcon. You can stay fully invincible with ledge regrabs or haxdashing. Reverse ledge hop regrab can backflip you right over marth's upB hitboxes anytime they aren't going high even if you haven't retained invincibility.Marth Killer seems to be forgotten technology and I'm not sure why. Maybe people are giving credit to Marths to do perfect sweet spots but they hardly ever do (at least from what I see watching high level tournament play)
Bluffing it also forces their recovery method and allows you to flow chart them.
I don't have very much experience against good players but how it usually goes is:
Get them offstage > Show Marth Killer > If they try to drift the ledge/stage (airdodge or ledge grab) = jump out bair > if they try to UpB onto stage = reverse knee for high percents, let go of shield DI/switch to hard shield for low percents and Stomp OoS (or even keep doing light shield and stomp for the ledge)
Although I have noticed that the Marth Killer seems to work less on Dreamland. Seems like Marth grabs the ledge before Falcon does very often. Either something to do with the stage's edges or every Marth I've played is coincidentally amazing at sweet spotting only on Dreamland.
Well Marth Killer is completely easy with no tech-skill required.marth killer isn't necessary as falcon. You can stay fully invincible with ledge regrabs or haxdashing. Reverse ledge hop regrab can backflip you right over marth's upB hitboxes anytime they aren't going high even if you haven't retained invincibility.
Also, pretty sure marth killer still works even if marth sweet spots. the sword hits your shield and knocks you onto ledge before he can grab it. You just need to hold your control stick towards ledge as you light shield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bgq-k9S2Ok#t=69I think the Marth Killer is the better option against Marth in every situation.
If he's able to double jump and grab ledge, he will most likely do it from below , making it difficult for you to bair him. If he's coming high, he can probably intercept you with fair. Wavedash backwards onto ledge, force him to go onstage with upB or airdodge, then punish.Well Marth Killer is completely easy with no tech-skill required.
If the Marth can double jump and grab the ledge, you can bair him. At worst, you'll trade and the trade is probably better for you since Marth is still off-stage (perhaps unrecoverable since bair is a strong attack)..
Sure, you're off ledge for 30 frames while refreshing, but you're invincible and able to attack to intercept him grabbing ledge during that time. You don't need to be perfectly invincible the whole time, just invincible when he could conceivably hit you. If he grabs ledge, you probably did something wrong. That's the entire point of taking ledge in the first place: so he can't take ledge.Yes, you can stay fully invincible with ledge regrabs or haxdashing IF YOU'RE FRAME PERFECT. That is, if you regrab the ledge at exactly frame 37 (timed from when you grab the ledge). If you don't grab the ledge at exactly frame 37, you're not completely invincible. Also, even if you ARE frame perfect, Marth can still take the ledge away from you because you're on the ledge for 7 frames and off it for 30 frames.
I love these match ups, they're definitely my favorite match ups in the game.Especially Falco.Do you guys prefer playing against Fox or Falco? Personally i think i hate playing against Falco more but they're both frustrating. Also tips on the matchups would be appreciated.
Falco ****s up Falcon's neutral game but Sheik seems to **** up Falcon's combos (at least for me) with how quickly she gets some moves out/ their priority. It's much harder to get stage control against Falco but I've found it's just generall much harder to play against sheik because she has so many optionsI'm curious what everyone thinks is Falcon's worst MU? I think it's Falco. Alot of people hate Sheik but I don't think she's all that bad, definitely 2nd or 3rd worst though
If you lightshield on the edge facing away from the edge and marth tries to up B to the ledge, he'll hit you, which slides you onto the edge. Consequently, you ledgehog him.What is "Marth Killer?" Sorry if that's a stupid question, I've just never heard the term before.
Sheik Falco or Fox for sure...can't decide which one thoughI'm curious what everyone thinks is Falcon's worst MU? I think it's Falco. Alot of people hate Sheik but I don't think she's all that bad, definitely 2nd or 3rd worst though
Did you play him at SSS? If so I had him in my pool too lol (RodgerDodger) I beat him in tourney, but before that he was kinda wrecking me in friendlies ._. I had to adapt to certain stuff, some of which kyaputenfarukon covered, like he ducked almost ALL of my grabs lol so I would just mix it up with stomps whenever he expected a grab. Overall I was just happy with how I adapted on the fly x)I have no idea how to play the Kirby matchup. I still won, but I had close games with a fraggin' Kirby main. Someone briefly give me some tipsies, cuz I'm very sure I never want to lose to a Kirby in tournament, friendlies, or just flat out ever.
Don't get hit.So... how do l fight Samus?
It's good, but there is one more thing. How do l edgeguard her?Don't get hit.
No seriously; spotdogde, sheild, or jump over her missiles, play with a wary eye when she builds up a charge beam and make her waste it, and always keep her sex kick in mind. If you do all these things, along with the basics of spacing so you don't get grabbed, you can combo her floaty *** with Up Airs, Nairs, Raptor Boosts, Dtilts, Up and Down Throws, and finish with the knee. Is this good or do you need more?
I used to joke that there is no real way to edge guard samus so we used to let her just come back DO NOT DO THATIt's good, but there is one more thing. How do l edgeguard her?
b-airs are very useful for edge guarding samus. If you get her off just stall on the ledge with invincibility until she comes back. Also, shielding is quite safe in this matchup since her grab kind of sucks and most of the time you can run up and shield as an approach.It's good, but there is one more thing. How do l edgeguard her?
On that same note when you run up and shield listen out for that "Obnoxious sound" that her grapple makes to dodge and punish her. while knee is a valid punish at lower percents I've opted to grab her back as I think I can get more percent from the follow upsb-airs are very useful for edge guarding samus. If you get her off just stall on the ledge with invincibility until she comes back. Also, shielding is quite safe in this matchup since her grab kind of sucks and most of the time you can run up and shield as an approach.
I would not recommend shielding against Samus's missiles, and Falcon's spotdodge sucks. Missiles have a decent amount of shieldstun, and Samus can follow up on a shielded missile fairly well. You know you can just nair through missiles right?No seriously; spotdogde, sheild, or jump over her missiles
Right but sometimes Samus players will want to sit back and rely only on their projectiles. I agree, spot dodging and such in close quarters is a big no - noI would not recommend shielding against Samus's missiles, and Falcon's spotdodge sucks. Missiles have a decent amount of shieldstun, and Samus can follow up on a shielded missile fairly well. You know you can just nair through missiles right?