Can Sonic CG Ness...?

Browny · Oct 28, 2008

ugh...

why dont one of yous actually prove that DI makes the slightest bit of difference when sonic grab/pummel releases ness. Because i couldnt find any method that changed how far he slid. DI seems to only affect releases when he is held above the ground AND ground breaks

Terios the Hedgehog · Oct 28, 2008

Not sure if it affects SONICS but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy_1ttIB7A0

MARTH can still run CG so we should be able to as well.

Ref · Oct 28, 2008

There is right now NO confirmation on whether Marth can Dash Grab Ness but it seems that it is a No for now, my sister couldn't do it and I could not do it to her...

As for Sonic's:

I tested DI on sonic's and it doesn't seem to do anything, Make sure your brother is Spot dodging as fast as he can.

Anyway. This may work.

SonicX580 · Oct 28, 2008

Chis said:
So you do have some one to play with...

Well used to he moved like a week ago.

Tenki · Oct 28, 2008

Ref said:
There is right now NO confirmation on whether Marth can Dash Grab Ness but it seems that it is a No for now, my sister couldn't do it and I could not do it to her...

As for Sonic's:

I tested DI on sonic's and it doesn't seem to do anything, Make sure your brother is Spot dodging as fast as he can.

Anyway. This may work.

Hm. I was thinking about that - I guess Ness could DI out of Marth's, but he has float space. Sonic is low to the ground, so if it did work, the difference in distance would be minimal.

That frame data in the video might have solidified it.

PKNintendo · Oct 28, 2008

Tenki said:
Hm. I was thinking about that - I guess Ness could DI out of Marth's, but he has float space. Sonic is low to the ground, so if it did work, the difference in distance would be minimal.

That frame data in the video might have solidified it.

Not so sure about that. As I was testing with my brother today, Ness could jab at out of it (with proper DI, no EIDI needed) I also attempted spot-dodges and dodged Sonic's regrab. (I DI'd first)

The second test was SWITCHING my controller with my bro. (did you try that DJ :laugh:

)
I was sonic and attempted the CG. My brother jabbed me and escaped it. He also spot dodged.

Browny · Oct 28, 2008

the only way someone is going to prove this is escapable is by showing that Ness can react < 64 frames on 1/4 speed training. i tried it multiple times and that was the lowest i could get. so until then, nothing ness can do will escape it unless the Sonic player doesnt buffer the dash grab

PKNintendo · Oct 28, 2008

djbrowny said:
the only way someone is going to prove this is escapable is by showing that Ness can react < 64 frames on 1/4 speed training. i tried it multiple times and that was the lowest i could get. so until then, nothing ness can do will escape it unless the Sonic player doesnt buffer the dash grab

Or, Ness can SGB it. (super grab break) taking very little damage. Screw 1/4, we're in for real time. (Me and my bro played a match using this, and he couldn't CG me. I either jabbed or spot dodged.

Browny · Oct 28, 2008

thats nice.

now show me some real evidence

Terios the Hedgehog · Oct 28, 2008

PKNintendo said:
Or, Ness can SGB it. (super grab break) taking very little damage. Screw 1/4, we're in for real time. (Me and my bro played a match using this, and he couldn't CG me. I either jabbed or spot dodged.

If it's possible in 1/4 it's possible in real time. Not our fault your brothers reflexes suck.

da K.I.D. · Oct 28, 2008

1/4 speed doesnt work when you are trying to get actual frame data, other than that, its accurate for trying moves like this

Browny · Oct 28, 2008

multiply my frame data by 3/5 if you want real numbers

its as close as possible to the actual stuff

PKNintendo · Oct 29, 2008

Terios the Hedgehog said:
If it's possible in 1/4 it's possible in real time. Not our fault your brothers reflexes suck.

He has good reflexes thank you very much. :laugh:

Phoenix_Dark · Oct 29, 2008

PKNintendo said:
He has good reflexes thank you very much.

Not good enough, apparently.

Browny · Oct 29, 2008

omg i cant believe you missed a 'hes too slow' opportunity right there

da K.I.D. · Oct 29, 2008

if we have to multiply your results, why dont you just change the settings on your recording device

PKNintendo · Oct 29, 2008

djbrowny said:
omg i cant believe you missed a 'hes too slow' opportunity right there

YOUR TO SLOW!

What-eve, it seems like it's legit with the buffering e.c.t

Ness is top tier

aeghrur · Oct 29, 2008

PKNintendo said:
Ness is top tier

Who gives a d**n. Sonic's Steak tier, we can whoop your *** anyday. We make metaknight look like bottom tier. :O

PKNintendo · Oct 30, 2008

aeghrur said:
Who gives a d**n. Sonic's Steak tier, we can whoop your *** anyday. We make metaknight look like bottom tier. :O

So? Ness is kid tier. Beat that!

thecatinthehat · Oct 30, 2008

PKNintendo said:
So? Ness is kid tier. Beat that!

fail sage is fail. You don't understand the meme.

da K.I.D. · Oct 30, 2008

PKNintendo said:
So? Ness is KID tier. Beat that!

uhhhh.. no
no character in this game, except sonic is worthy of a tier named after myself

Chis · Nov 9, 2008

Has this been proven yet?

Browny · Nov 9, 2008

watch the whole video lol...

Chis · Nov 9, 2008

I meant is it escape by extra DI thing (?) and the super break grab.

da K.I.D. · Nov 9, 2008

...awesome

you are now my favorite sonic boarder, right behind tenki

btw, how exactly does EIDI work?
how is it performed?
will it work against yoshi?

aeghrur · Nov 9, 2008

EIDI works when a character lifts you off the ground and grab releases you I believe. It's like smash DI but for grabs.
It's performed like smash DI, tilt control stick and then tilt/mash C-stick direction.
I doubt it works against yoshi. Ness mains apparently only need it/use it against marth.

Chis · Nov 9, 2008

da K.I.D. said:
...awesome

you are now my favorite sonic boarder, right behind tenki

btw, how exactly does EIDI work?
how is it performed?
will it work against yoshi?

I don't want to sound like an egotistical person or anything but who was this aimed at?

Browny · Nov 9, 2008

i read somewhere a while ago that its possible to force a ground break from a yoshi but dont remember where, ill look into it a bit but i dont expect to find anything.

da K.I.D. · Nov 9, 2008

1. my comment was aimed at DJ
2. if I remember correctly, the long and short of it is that, if the yoshi performs the grab incorrectly, than a ground break is possible. im not entirely sure tho, you should ask Mmac for clarification. he is the authority on all things yoshi

Tenki · Nov 9, 2008

da K.I.D. said:
2. if I remember correctly, the long and short of it is that, if the yoshi performs the grab incorrectly, than a ground break is possible. im not entirely sure tho, you should ask Mmac for clarification. he is the authority on all things yoshi

Groundbreak if you escape as Yoshi's pummeling.

I think the main reason why EIDI works on Marth is because Marth is tall and there's "float space" for Ness to escape.

It's possible to DI things like Ganon side-B if you use any of the short aerial characters.

da K.I.D. · Nov 9, 2008

i also heard that when yoshi grabs you, if the yoshi pummels in the first few frames of the grab, it affects where the game sees the opponent as being and makes it easier to ground break

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