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Buff and Nerf the main of the one above

Naptec

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The rules are pretty simple:

The next person posting in this thread says 1 buff for the character above, and 1 nerf with it. That could be anything, EXCEPT:
- making a character way too OP (like making a special move kill at 0% with a stupidly fast frame data)
- making a character way too bad (like remove all of his damage output)
- change entirely a character's playstyle

And that's it. Have fun !

P.S: Don't criticize other's opinions, it's not a debate thread, we're here to have fun (i guess)


:ultlink:

EDIT: If you don't have a main yet (or use another character, but only if it's a secondary or a pocket), you can use a character emote instead
 
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Wunderwaft

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:ultlink:
Buff: Give arrows more knockback
Nerf: Lower the knockback of the bomb


:ultwario:
 

Crystanium

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:ultwario:
Buff: Waft provides somewhat more height, meaning that an empty Waft may be a better vertical recovery to Corkscrew.
Nerf: Since Waft benefits from eating pretty much anything, it takes slightly longer for it to generate.

:ultsamus:
 

uhmuzing

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:ultfalco:

Buff: Enable SH double-Blaster a la Brawl Falco
Nerf: UpB burns opponents but deals no knockback

:ultmarth:
 

Mogisthelioma

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I like this thread idea.
:ultmarth:
Buff: Increase damage on all throws.
Nerf: Make the tipper hitbox on f-air and side B less strong.

:ultkingdedede:
 

~?~

The Strangest Link Main
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3D main ey?
:ultkingdedede:

Buff - Increase his air mobility by 1.2x
Nerf - 1 less jump.

:ultlink:
 
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Mogisthelioma

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3D main ey?
:ultkingdedede:

Buff - Increase his air mobility by 1.2x
Nerf - 1 less jump.

:ultlink:
:ultlink::
Buff: Make f-tilt and f-air come out way faster
Nerf: Remove the ability for him to gain an up special after hitting himself with a bomb.

Alright, since I just did Dedede, I'll try my next best:
:ultbowser:
 

~?~

The Strangest Link Main
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:ultlink::
Buff: Make f-tilt and f-air come out way faster
Nerf: Remove the ability for him to gain an up special after hitting himself with a bomb.

Alright, since I just did Dedede, I'll try my next best:
:ultbowser:
:ultbowser:

buff - increase armor strength on tilts and jabs
nerf - slightly reduce knockback on command grab

:ultwario:
 

grizby2

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:ultwario:
Buff - give Waft a visable meter next to player icon and allow wario to act out of it.
nerf - down air has less knock back and less damage

:ultness:
 

Ark of Silence101

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Buff: PkFlash takes longer to disappear when it touches the ground and can be controlled more.
Nerf: PkFire deals less damage and is easier to escape from.

:ultroy: Or :ultchrom:.
 
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staindgrey

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:ultroy:
Buff: Remove the tupper and just give him Chrom's sword.
Nerf: His down throw + upB combo. Simply because I get hit by it multiple times a match against every Roy I ever play.

:ultcorrinf: (not to be confused with :ultcorrin:)
 

MarioMeteor

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:ultroy:

Nerf: His down throw + upB combo.
I don’t think this ever combos and if it does it’s probably not optimal.

I’ll do Chrom.

+ Aether now automatically snaps to the ledge like most recoveries.
- Forward tilt now no longer has a hitbox the size of Kansas.
:ultrichter:
 
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Xquirtle

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:ultdoc:

+ Up B goes slightly further and improve aerial drift
- Double down B startup frames, halve the knock back

Edit: Oops, he picked Richter. Its hard to think of buffs for a character that I want to have deleted but..

+ Improve / add angling on fair bair and uair
-Increase end lag on side B and down B

For :ultcorrinf:
+Further buff Up B I frames and distance. Increase up air killing power back to smash 4. Add in down throw to up air and fair combos. increase dash speed
-Honestly, Corrin should not receive any more nerfs, but if we have to trade off, I'd be fine with insta pin losing power in trade for all around buffs on aerials and movement.

:ultrobinf: - not to be confused with /vomit :ultrobin:
 
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Naptec

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For :ultrobinf::
+ Make Elwind always spike without touching Robin
- Decrease Thoron's damage output


:ultmegaman:
 
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smashfan666

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:ultkrool:
+: neutral-B cannonball's speed increased
-: blades of up-B hoverpack now break when hit by meteor attacks, ending the move early

:ultsonic:
 
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Reio_

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For:ultlink::

Buff: Slightly increase his running speed
Nerf: Make Aerial Up B kill later
 

Naptec

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:ultfalcon:
Buff: His up-B covers more horizontal distance and goes higher
Nerf: Remove the spike of his Dair


(I updated the rules here, check the first post of the thread, thanks)

:ultzelda:
 
D

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Buff: Final Smash has a bigger activation box
Nerf: Fair and Nair have more endlag
:ultmario:
 

uhmuzing

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:ultmario:

Buff: Bigger hitbox on utilt (extending in front of him)
Nerf: Less knockback on fsmash

:ultgnw:
 
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Crescentium

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Buff: He can have that derpy windbox on his Down Tilt/Up Air back.
Nerf: Get your poor boy some help, he's even more anorexic than before (weight from 75 down to 70).

:ultmetaknight:
 

OnyanRings

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Buff: He can have that derpy windbox on his Down Tilt/Up Air back.
Nerf: Get your poor boy some help, he's even more anorexic than before (weight from 75 down to 70).

:ultmetaknight:
Ah jeez, i don't know much about about Meta knight but here goes nothing :

Buff : Give some of his moves a bit more range.
Nerf : I don't feel like he really needs a particular nerf, maybe his spin to win move ?

:ultness:
 
D

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Buff: Faster Air Speed
Buff: Down B has less lag

I ain't nerfin the Kirb

:ultpacman:
 

Naptec

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For :ultfalcon: (Ah ****, here we go again):

Buff: Less startup frames on Falcon Punch
Nerf: Less knockback on Knee Smash's sweetspot

:ultpiranha:
 

Naptec

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Buff: Add super armor on his late double jump
Nerf: Eggs doesn't bounce anymore

:ultpit:/:ultdarkpit:
 

Manonymous

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Buff : Her airspeed is increased and her frame data is reduced.
Nerf : She has now a tipper like Marth, but with more janky hitboxes.

:ultbowser:
 

Naptec

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Buff: His neutral-B last longer and he's faster
Nerf: Less knockback on his Fair and Smashes

:ultmewtwo:
 

LAA9000

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Buff: Down Throw is much harder to mash out of.
Nerf: Side Special has much less killpower or increased startup/endlag.

Either :ultchrom: or :ultpalutena:, you choose.
 

Naptec

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I wasn't expecting a new post in this thread but anyways

:ultpalutena:
Buff: Increased grab range to match :marthmelee:
Nerf: The good ol' Nair nerf Less active frames on Usmash

:ultchrom:
Buff: Give back his Chromikaze
Nerf: Reduced airspeed

:ultpit: or :ultdarkpit:, pick whoever you want
 
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Freduardo

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Pit:
Buff: Soaring Attack added if you hit A during B Up.
Nerf: His attacks somehow get even weaker in terms of percentages.

Main: Little Mac.
 
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