"Brother from another MOTHER". Lucas Smash Ultimate Discussion thread.

StarDustStorm

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
343
#1

Lucas feels incomplete and rushed as DLC for a couple of reasons and deserves more polish.
1) Reuses more animations of Ness even though he had his own unique animations in Brawl. (Final Smash and item idle animation)
2) He has Unused References to Custom Moves (Explained more in detail here, discovered by me), which is structured like the other non-dlc fighters including an unused 4th custom move Which data can be loaded if you try modding the moveset files.
3) Some tips aren't accurate since launch and most likely are supposed to work like Brawl's version of his Up-Smash which is the 5th Strongest in the game not the strongest and cannot attack opponents under the stage on most of the cast.
4) He has an unused fair hitbox (Discovered by me)
On the OpenSa wiki (which documents data of the Smash Bros. Series, mostly Brawl though) it makes me question whether or not he was developed before Mewtwo since his VC and SFX Bank are ordered with the non-dlc fighters. (Before Olimar's soundbank and after Diddy's soundbank)

So far there's polish seen in Lucas, though there's still more information for him to be discovered in the future.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
3,081
3DS FC
0189-8502-2597
NNID
WitchofKnowledge
Switch FC
SW-5227-6397-6112
#3
Yeah I'm hoping he'll return. It seems much more likely than last game since he has popularity backing him up.
 

Morbi

Scavenger
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
17,168
Location
Speculation God, GOML
#7
You never know, if Nintendo has Mother 3 planned, they could reveal him as a marketing character. That being said, just the mere fact that he was cut last time leaves me a bit skeptical, not going to lie.
 
D

Deleted member

Guest
#8
Definitely in for Lucas's return because dang it, I love him and I'd buy the next Smash just to play him all over again. He's my #1 wish for all Smash games and my favorite video game character.

Seeing Lucas and one of Bomberman, King K. Rool, and Bandana Dee show up is my top priority and you bet I will support him everywhere.

Bring back the sunflower child and make him a mainstay.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Jul 10, 2007
Messages
864
Location
New Hampshire
3DS FC
3222-5969-7044
NNID
PSIguy89
#10
I sincerely hope to see lil Lucas back again.... tbh I’d love to see new specials on him, or at the very least PK LOVE as a proper final smash...I mean cmon
 

FamicomDisk

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 17, 2018
Messages
356
#11
I don't think they'll remove Lucas from the roster again. When he was removed from 4, I remember that a lot of people really wanted him to return - myself included! He eventually returned as DLC, of course, but when that was announced, Iwata said "We've heard your requests!", which indicates to me that the team knows now that there's demand for Lucas to be included in Smash. :) Since that happened with 4, I think he'll be included in the next game.

I definitely want him to return! He's a lot of fun to play and I missed him when he wasn't available in 4.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 24, 2014
Messages
6,556
Location
Miami, NYC
3DS FC
5129-1683-5306
NNID
NapoleonPlays
Switch FC
SW 3124 9647 8311
#12
I loved Ness in 64, and Lucas took that spot in my heart by Brawl.
But if this game is in fact a reboot of the series, and that's something I've grown to really want, I cannot justify Lucas having a real shot.
Honestly, I'd prefer a combination of alt moves and alt characters. I know Lucas has other unique gameplay styles, but that is also something that has been utilized in other games- there are Mortal Kombat games where the characters can switch entire fighting styles. I'd like to see that utilized in Smash, making more alt characters a feasible possibility.
 
D

Deleted member

Guest
#13
If Lucas doesn't return for this game, and let's hope he does, how should we go about campaigning for his inclusion? One of my hopes is that he becomes a mainstay in the franchise even after the game's roster inevitable reboots after so many titles.
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
3,081
3DS FC
0189-8502-2597
NNID
WitchofKnowledge
Switch FC
SW-5227-6397-6112
#14
Well considering it's been speculated that this game will be akin to Splatoon 2 in that it will be a sequel but reusing a lot of assets then the only characters that are actually in danger are the 3rd parties because of renegotiating the rights again.

Hopefully Lucas gets a codex, custom moves, and an exclusive event along with the other DLC characters.
 

Morbi

Scavenger
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
17,168
Location
Speculation God, GOML
#15
Well considering it's been speculated that this game will be akin to Splatoon 2 in that it will be a sequel but reusing a lot of assets then the only characters that are actually in danger are the 3rd parties because of renegotiating the rights again.

Hopefully Lucas gets a codex, custom moves, and an exclusive event along with the other DLC characters.
Unless they negotiated the rights for two titles, which would make sense given they knew they were developing another Smash simultaneously. Beyond that, regardless of third-party characters, Lucas is not necessarily safe just because. I am willing to be that they will announced the Switch VC with Mother 3 localized and he might as well be confirmed at that point, but you never know. I am sure that a few cuts will happen regardless of how much time they had. It has always happened outside of Smash 64 to Melee.
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
3,081
3DS FC
0189-8502-2597
NNID
WitchofKnowledge
Switch FC
SW-5227-6397-6112
#18
Since a popular topic is Link and Mario possibly be tweeked a bit in their moveset. What possibly moveset changes for Lucas do you want?
 

StarDustStorm

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
343
#19
Since a popular topic is Link and Mario possibly be tweeked a bit in their moveset. What possibly moveset changes for Lucas do you want?
Give Lucas run faster than Toon Link or Bowser since they are higher than him on the tier list. Probably some Pm stuff such as offense up but that can be a custom move instead. Better kill options than just down-throw.
Return the Zap Jump and Magnet Pull. I actually created a mod to restore those abilities in Sm4sh.
 
Last edited:

Icedragonadam

Smash Master
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
3,081
3DS FC
0189-8502-2597
NNID
WitchofKnowledge
Switch FC
SW-5227-6397-6112
#20
I'm hoping for more variety in Mother music this time.

Primarily we need this in Smash.

 

PF9

Smash Lord
Joined
Apr 13, 2010
Messages
1,041
Location
America
#21
In a story mode, I'd like Ness, Lucas, Toon Link and Villager to have a plot line together - they pretty much are the youngest characters in the game.
 

Rosalinatehplumber

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Feb 26, 2015
Messages
188
3DS FC
3222-5796-8376
NNID
Mariotrains
#22
WARNING: Lengthy post ahead.
Seeing how Lucas has unused reference to custom moves and not Roy, I believe that he was planned to be added near the end of the development (not when the trio clones were added). Just how the forbidden seven were added later in Brawl and then cut. If I were to guess judging from this picture I found, I would say that he would've been added afterJigglypuff started development, but before the three clones (I believe Dr Mario used the DMario slot from Brawl because that slot was ordered after Sonic). Knowing how Jigglypuff is low priority and how easy she is to make, I think Lucas would've been developed around that time since he's also easy to make and not a priority he could've only been meant to be an "extra character". Again just like the forbidden seven in brawl. Plus in the picture where BJ and Shulk come before Jigglypuff, Sakurai said that Shulk wasn't an easy character to make, and BJ almost got cut. So I think that's why those two characters were placed there. I also believe that Lucas would've been a secret character as well. If a player would unlock characters only in VS mode, Jigglypuff is the last one to unlock in the 3DS. and the Duck Hunt on the Wii U(remember he's supposed to be a surprise and Sakruai originally want all characters form the start in the Wii U version). The character VS unlock matches follows the same order like in Brawl. Therefore, I think Lucas would come after Jigglypuff and the Duck Hunt in the Wii U version. Overall, I think Lucas was cut in favor for other characters like Shulk and BJ. The development team also had to focus two games. Similar to Brawl's development cycle where one team worked on the main game and the other on the SEE. So that could also be a factor.
NOTE: Keep in mind this is speculation and this picture shows possibly shows the slot order. Smb123w64gb hacked the game a while ago to see if there were any unused slots.
Picture is by smb123w64gb and not by me.
IMG_20180207_225413.jpg
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
3,081
3DS FC
0189-8502-2597
NNID
WitchofKnowledge
Switch FC
SW-5227-6397-6112
#23
So Friday is the 12th anniversary of Mother 3. I hope there's a Nintendo or Smash Direct on Friday. So it would probably reveal Lucas for Smash or Mother 3 for the West.
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
3,081
3DS FC
0189-8502-2597
NNID
WitchofKnowledge
Switch FC
SW-5227-6397-6112
#25
I couldn't get a chance yesterday, but Happy 12th Anniversary Mother 3!
 

FamicomDisk

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 17, 2018
Messages
356
#26
Happy birthday to M3 indeed! I just finished a playthrough last week, totally forgot the anniversary was coming up. Nice timing!

Too bad we didn't hear anything, but I can't imagine Lucas will be absent from Smash 5.
 
Joined
Jun 13, 2013
Messages
6,070
Location
Gainesville, Florida
Switch FC
SW-8429-6803-3691
#29
I know I shouldn't be negative, but is anyone a tad worried about Lucas returning? I'm hoping his return as DLC is a testament to how popular he is and how destroyed we all were when he wasn't in the base game, but I can't help but feel Sakurai may think of him as expendable again.
 

AuraWielder

Smash Journeyman
Joined
May 12, 2014
Messages
225
Location
Austin, Texas
3DS FC
2363-6821-1127
NNID
AuraWielder
#30
I know I shouldn't be negative, but is anyone a tad worried about Lucas returning? I'm hoping his return as DLC is a testament to how popular he is and how destroyed we all were when he wasn't in the base game, but I can't help but feel Sakurai may think of him as expendable again.
Won't lie, I have some concern about Lucas.
It's part of the reason I'm hoping the "no cuts" thing is true.
 
D

Deleted member 396530

Guest
#37
nothing. so watch a 2018 event from smash bros Until THE game´s Release.

Aross Lucas is Back!
 
Joined
Jun 5, 2018
Messages
1,054
Location
United States
NNID
cej1010
Switch FC
SW-2416-2051-6245
#38
I screamed when I saw Kuma and Boney show up. If Duster ends up being an AT like Jeff my inner Mother fanboy would just be so happy.

And look at this! They made PSI Magnet's effects resemble the diamonds of Mother 3's PSI Shield!



 
Last edited:

StarDustStorm

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
343
#39
Lucas finally uses his original PK Starstorm animation from Brawl instead of using Ness'!

I'm not sure if Lucas' Nair has a better autocancel window. I counted the frame of his nair, though it has some duplicate frames from the footage so I'm not sure if the startup hitbox is on frame 5 or 7 like in sm4sh.
He was able to autocancel on this frame.
 
Last edited:
Top