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Bazooka Lucca

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Well, here's my deal: I want to learn to spin on my head.

I can do the break dance where you just swing your leg around and jump over it with the other foot while your hands are on the ground... but that's kinda lame. I wanna learn to really bust out some dance moves and be able to spin on my head. Can anyone do this? If so - can anyone help me on figuring it out? I'm not sure if being 6 feet tall would be good for this or not. Well I searched online and couldn't find anything (except videos, but I wasn't gonna buy no video if I could learn for free ;) )
 

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I can do pretty much anything but spin on my head. You might want to try learning 'the windmill'. It's not terribly difficult and it looks cool. It's kinda really hard to describe. It's sort of a cross between the coffee grinder (the thing you described) and spinning on your head. Oh, and the scramble. Just make it up as you go.
 

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Well... I can only do the "coffee grinder" then. Well actually, when my right leg is coming around from the back I can tuck it in then switch to my left leg, but I'm not to good at this.
 

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It is possible to hurt your neck with this one, so be careful. Practice your handstand to get balance and build up your neck muscles.

Ok, in order to do this move you need confidence back and neck strength
and to understand some physics. There are 2 important things you need
to know. 1, the faster you are, the more balance you have, don't make
me explain the physics of it, just trust me. You'll understand what I
mean by the end of step two anyway. I'll explain the second thing
later...

[1] Find your 'sweet spot' on your head, this is where you'll be
spinning. You find this by just standing on your head, positioning
and repositioning yourself until you find a spot where you're
comfortable. You should be able to rest on your sweet spot for 5-10
seconds without your hands before moving on and be comfortable in the
position.

[2] Alright, by this time you'll already be comfortable with the
feeling of your neck lodged into your back and the blood rush to your
head, if not, go back to step one. Now, get up into a headstand, wind
your legs back in the opposite direction you want to spin and WHIP (not
kick) them as hard as you possibly can and close your legs (this will
give you more speed and hence more balance, like I was saying before).
Work with this until your get 1 and a half to 2 rotations. This will
be the most difficult and time consuming part of learning this move.
You'll learn that the faster you go the less you have to worry about
balance and that it'll only hurt the first 5 times or so.

[3]Once you've got about 2 spins down with decenet speed, try and open
your legs, catch yourself by tapping the ground and then kick again.
Kicking again is tricky, because you don't kick at first; the fact
that your upper body will stop moving but your legs wont will kind of
drain the last of the speed you have, and THEN you'll feel this kind of
gap right before your body is pulled again by the extra force, and that
is when you kick. You'll probably want to keep your legs open for the
extra style once you've got the spped you need. The added momentum
will give you a lot of speed, and before long you'll have a lot of
rotations down.

[4] Now, you don't want to have to keep tapping and kicking forever, so
after about 4 or 5 times, you can use the tuck method. Now for that
extra bit of physics. The reason you go faster with your legs closed
as opposed to open is your turning radius is smaller and so you have
the same force applied over a smaller area when your legs are together.
So, once you have a lot of speed with your legs open, you can kind of
cheat physics. When you're spinning with your legs open, you have a
lot of force moving your body over a large turning radius. But when
you pull your legs together and bend your knees, you turning radius is
reduced significantly, and the force you have moves much faster over
the smaller radius. So all you need to do is tuck your body for 2 or 3
rotations and you'll gain speed, and then for some reason which i don't
understand, when you open your legs again, you'll have a lot more
momemtum. This way, it is possible to spin on your head perpetually
without having to kick again, and this is how people are able to pull
of those amazingly long headspins.
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wanna know more about breakdance go to wwww.breakdance.com

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Metroid Killer ]</p>
 

Bazooka Lucca

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MK - thanks a ton. How shall I ever repay you? Well I'll start practicing. If I get it down I"ll get some one to video tape me -then I'll show you guys. ^_^
 

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LoL. Or if you've got the money and the training facility nearby, look into Capoeira. That's something I've always wanted to start taking for the sheer acrobatic ability and overall pimp-ocity, but Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu along with work, DJing and the rest of my life take up just too much time.

Anyway.. as a fighting art, Capoeira isn't all that powerful. But it's pretty **** effective for teaching agility and balance in awkward positions. Besides.. your instructor will basically be teaching you how to break.
 

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i always wondered how to spell coipera... hmm i spelled it wrong didn't I? Ah well, me and my friends always referred to it as the breakdancing martial art anyway. Good luck lucca, and if you take capoiera, just think, you'll know how to breakdance and fight!
 

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LOL yeah you're right, i couldnt imagine someone kicking my *** with the "windmill". heh, but yeah i suck at break dancing, but i've never tried it, so that's no surprize. next there will be skate-fu, a guy kicking your *** with his kickflips ;)

i dont think that spinning on your head is a good idea, but that's just me. you should leave the neck breaking to the "crazy crackers".
 

Bazooka Lucca

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Well I am one crazy cracker ;) Yeah I've been trying it frequently today, I got one rotation down! *applause* unfortunately my head hurts and my neck is a little sore. Oh well, it's worth the pain ;) no pain, no gain, right?

Hmmm spinning on my head and kicking butt simitaneously... interesting.
 

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Mk is tha you in the second pic?

I took brakdancing lessons for a little whil but I quit rather quickly. As for copiera(SP?) I have a friend that does it but I've never seen him try to kick someoes *** with it. Just go play Tekken 3 if you want to spin on your head and kick someones *** .
 

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"No Pain, no Gain"--correct. But you also forget that "Easy Come, Easy Go". Don't push yourself or you might lose all you take for granted.

heh, in kickboxing when we are doing pushup we have to do like 45 then he makes us hold posistion and he screams "NO PAIN NO GAIN!" then we have to scream it back. "EASY COME EASY GO!", then we have to scream that back to. "NO ACTION NO ACHIEVEMENT!", then we echo that back as well. By now im a bit sore because while everyone stops and holds position after 45 pushups, i usually continue doing them till he's done with the cliches. im like at 70 pushups and then when i am done i have to do the worm to stand up because my arms are too sore. heh for some people 70 may not seem like a lot, but lots of people do pushups incorrectly. they have their *** in the air (your body should be flat as a board) they have their hands open (do knuckle pushups) they are looking down at the floor (look in front of you with chin parallel to ground) and they arent going all the way down (all the way is a few centimeters above the ground). Then after pushups we do sparring but my strengh comes back usually after i get my gloves and mouthpiece on. On testing day I got Overall best student award. I feel proud of that because the testing before that I only got Best Forms Award.

but if i were you i'd take it slo wly with breakdancing, because unlike martial arts, it's not something you push yourself in. you take it slowly or you'll BREAK something. (get it, BREAKdancing) AHAHhahaAhahmUAhaAMaa
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Ahh well Last night I went to the party and tried out my moves. I almost got down 2 full rotations when I did it last night. Afterwards my neck was hurting so these two took turns giving me a neck massage... ahhh it felt sooooooo good. (It was definitly worth a bruised scalp and a sore neck ;) )
 

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I'd love to see a video of it once you finally get awesome. You seem to be getting good quite fast Bazooka, I hope you do well. It seems very hard.
 

Bazooka Lucca

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well it is difficult. I'd go at it alot faster - it's just that I'm not immortal. It does hurt, and how I'm gonna get to the stage where it doesn't hurt, I don't know. Well anyways I can take small video clips with my digital camera, so I'll do it sometime (probably when my neck is feeling better) and then post it up on the net.

BTW - thanks for alot of the information guys.
 

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lol i saw him do it last night, it looked pretty smooth. I was suprised how well he did it considering he only started at it yesterday.
 

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No I'm not good at break dancing, I can only do the worm
and moonwalk
. I have a friend(he's even gay) who sometimes tries to teach me some moves. The only time I tried to do a headspin I ended by hurting my neck really bad.

Btw. I would give everything to see Lucca do a HeadSpin.

[ February 03, 2002: Message edited by: Metroid Killer ]</p>
 

Bazooka Lucca

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haha ok well I"ll be sure to try to get that video taped soon. All though I'll probably just end up embarrasing myself seeing that I can only do one rotation (one and a half - almost two on a good spin), then I fall on my face or my back really hard on the ground. Someone asked me if I was ok after I landed once. All though it's not my body that hurts, just my neck and the top of my head.
 

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Heh, if you stop posting Bazooka, we will know you broke your neak.

On more thing, you might want to invest in some scalp polish, the kind Mr. Burns uses. I bet you could get some extra spins off of that. ;)
 

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Actually my hat works quite fine ;) It would actually be more painful to do a spin without a hat than with one. My dad told me of some exercises I could do to strengthen my neck muscles. These exercises are known as isometrics. I bet doing some pushups might help to (for balance on my hands and strength for better spin - you do use your hands, or your supposed to, I haven't gotten there yet)
 

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i love breakdancers...john reuben's mc is an awesome breakdancer...and i also saw these guys do it at hershey arena at this one convention i went to. it was awesome we got to see them upclose becuz the group i went with is big stuff..well at least we are somewhat behind the whole thing...i usually take part in the opener in front of 10,000 other teens (*gasps*) but this one dude was so good at spinning on his head i just remember asking him to 'spin on ur head again thatz so awesome!' it was so cool he was just sort of taking a break and laying on the ground then to get started again he shoved himself up and spun on his head...it was lovely. keep it up bazook head spinnin is dabomb.
 

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Yeah, BL. Push-ups and any other strength-enhancing activity can do nothing but help. -Especially- sit-ups/crunches. Your mid-section is the pivotal part of your body and your abdominal muscles are what control that area.

For the version of kickboxing that I train in, nothing is conditioned more thouroughly than the abs. In a full work-out, I'll easily hit 300 each of crunches (for upper abs), leg tucks (for lower abs) and cross-overs (for each side). Then on strength days, I'll grab a 45 slab and do about 100 full raises. But then, I could always throw out sit-ups like nothin'..


Push-ups, on the other hand.. 70 is a ****ing -lot- for me to do at one time. I'll give that a shot next time I go into the gym. As it is, I'll throw out maybe 30 as a warm-up and leave it at that. The rest of the strength I do is all weights. Which is a lot of effort, but not a large result in the broad scheme of things. I wasn't blessed with natural upper-body strength. :confused:

Anyways, tho'.. If I can stress one thing to you about just giving yourself pure natural ability when it comes to -anything-, it's work on strength whenever you get the chance. I'm naturally really skinny, but you wouldn't know it from looking at me. Aside from the fact that I only have about 8% body fat. :D
 

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I've wanted to ask this for some time now... now that there's a topic I guess I can ask. When I'm at a party, I usually just do some regular dancing, but I'd like to learn two moves: The Windmill and the Worm. MK, any help there?
 

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THE WINDMILL

I've tried to this one, and I can say that it's very difficult although I got a few spins. But then again it's not like I've trained and trained with this one

The Hard Way:


First learn by starting in this 'practice' position:

(counter-clockwise windmills)

1) sit down on the floor.

2) lean back on your right arm, resting on the elbow.

3) bend your left leg at the knee.

4) keep right leg out straight, pointing to your right.

5) have your left arm touching the floor just by your right side.

6) make sure your left ELBOW is firmly touching your lower stomach

OK. Now we are ready to start. Keep in mind that everything must eventually be a continuous motion. Although you can practice slowly, much of this move is almost impossible without momentum. Here we go:

7) Swing your left leg way up, and your right leg straight around to the left so that it goes up and UNDER your LEFT leg, and turn your head to the right. Your hips shoulad have entirely left the floor.

8) You should now be in this position: the LEFT SIDE side of your head is touching the floor, your body is parallel with the floor, legs spread apart, held up entirely by your left arm, palm on the floor, elbow in gut, supporting your weight. Your right hand can help a little with your weight, but keep the right arm close to your body. Basically, the only things touching the ground at this moment in time are the left side of your head and your left palm, which points left. Remember to keep your legs spread wide apart, straight, and that your left elbow pressing into your gut is propping up your whole body, resting the weight on the left hand.

9) Now, lower your left shoulder to the ground and then you should roll onto the back of your shoulders, your face looking up at the ceiling, your legs spread out in the air. Nothing else should touch the ground. To acheive this your legs must have rotated since the previous step, your hips the pivot, like a compass. Remember this.

10) So, you are resting on the back of your shoulders, facing up, legs spread. Now, whip your body so that you swing over to your right side. Now your legs should still be spread, but ONLY the RIGHT side of your head and your right shoulder should be touching the floor. Try to keep your cheekbone off the floor- it will bruise. NOTHING else should touch, you are diagonal to the floor, head down, legs up and spread. Now swing your hips around counter- clockwise a little more so that you can stab your left elbow into your gut again. Roll across your forehead from the RIGHT side of your head to the LEFT side, so you are ready to move onto your left shoulder and spin around again as before. Once your momentum is going, it is not difficult.

Move description by: Vahid Hakim
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THE WORM

I could explain it by myself but I think you'll understand it better, if you read the text under this

1. First you start out in push-up position on the ground with your whole body touching the ground.

2. Swing your legs and thighs up putting your weight on the waist up.

3. Push up your arms while your legs go down so the space under you
flows forward.

4. Repeat the steps.

It may look like you're humping the ground unless you do it right. It's easy to learn but difficult to master.

Once you get better at it try moving side to side by tucking in your right elbow and going left to right make sure you land on your side or else you can't get enough momentum for a second one.

Also try using one hand. Use one hand to grab your shoulder then try doin werms. If you're skilled enough try the superworm by putting your hands in front of you like superman does.

You can practice by lifting your legs and putting your weight on your hips and chest.
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Thanks slak, Yeah I gotta do more push ups and crunchs. I find that just standing on my head every once in awhile helps to ease the pain. (My head hurt so bad the first day). It's getting easier and my neck isn't as sensitive to the pressure now. I just gotta work on my skill and strength.
 

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Thanks MK. I owe you a big one! I'll totally rip at the next party I'm at. I'm gonna go practice now, I'll probably suck, but hey... I'm sure Lucca will agree that practice is what it takes right? Heh, none of that neck spinning/breaking crap for me... (OOC: MK the way you know everything about this gives me the idea that your custom title should be: "Lord of the Dance" corny, but you seem to be knowledgable about this stuff) I don't totally understand the thing you do with your left arm... it has to be next to your right arm, stabbing into your stomach... are you supposed to be on an angle or something?

-I

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You might want to try the float, which is just an inanimate turtle. Moving with your elbows jabbed into you can be difficult if you're not in god shape, not that I'm implying your not. There's a pic of a guy doing the turtle in MK's sig, or somebody's.
 

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Lol! Man, all I can say, is you gots mad skillz BL. Being 6 feet tall AND white and actually being able to dance? Wow. Just... wow! ;) Seriously though, I'm 6'3" but I can't imagine ever doing anything like that. The closest to dancing I do is playing Dance Dance Revolution, which I'm really good at, but I've been told that I look like a duck when I play :p

I can't wait to see video footage of you in action! Good luck!
 

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Okay, I figured it out. When I want to do the worm, I'll just pull out of a windmill and roll over. Either that, or do more bicep workouts until I trust myself to jump down and take the fall with my hands, which would actually give me some needed momentum, heh. One question, tho. I don't totally understand the thing with my left arm... stabbing my gut, putting it next to me right arm, or something? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 

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Yup, pretty much. Have your uppper arms on your rib cage and then lean, and balance out. I there's two different ways to do it, you can either walk, sorta, moving both arms, it's harder to start but easier to keep going and you go faster, or you can have one hand as a pivotal point and use the other arm to spin yourself. When you want to get out of it, use all the strength in your arms to propel yourself into whatever move you're going into next.
 

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MK can you help with the Moonwalk?? I can't push one foot forward while pulling one back very well. But then again I don't exactly know the technique. Has this already been asked?
 

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Breakdancin is cool and I think I know how 2 do the moonwalk.

1)Lift the heel of the side u write with up.

3)pull that foot back.

3)At the same time put the heel down and on the other foot lift the heel up.

4)Move that foot behind the other foot.

5)Repeat.

I'm wondering what type of music goes well with breaking dancin. I listen 2 Run DMC v. Jason navis : It's like that & Daft Punk
 

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There's a song I love for breakdancing, but I just got it on a CD my friend burned for me, so I don't know the title. I think it may be called lawdy dawdy or something but I have no clue at all. Rickefeller Skank is good, and that's all I can think of right now... I never really pay much attention to the music I'm breaking to.
 

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Okay, hang on. Let me get this sorted out. So I lean back on my right elbow. I dig my left elbow into my ribs... now, do I put my left arm on my RIGHT side, or LEFT side... something tells me this is crucial to the trick...

-I
 

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I make a suggestion that if u try the head spin wear a helmet because I also did try that move holy it hurts so if u wear a helmet u save the top of your head, u have a smooth serface and if might give u some support on your neck
 

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That will probably increase your chances of breaking your neck, if your head is spinning and your helmet is not 'cuz it gets caught on something...SNAP. Easy come, easy go. You could be finished right there. But Balooka is one crazy cracker, however.
 
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