Brawl Graveyard: Where lost hopes rest

[EPX2]

When he is chosen, he gets removed from the background? Good idea! Yeah, and Groudon is playable too, he just doesn't pop up as a Pokeball when you play as him. Heck, all the Pokemon are playable. When you unlock them all, the Pokeball is deleted from the item list.

The flaw in your argument being that, as far as we know, background characters have absolutely no effect on battles, whereas the Pokemon do...

 

[demonpanther]

When he is chosen, he gets removed from the background? Good idea! Yeah, and Groudon is playable too, he just doesn't pop up as a Pokeball when you play as him. Heck, all the Pokemon are playable. When you unlock them all, the Pokeball is deleted from the item list.

An item is different in the sense that there are a large amount of pokemon that pop out of them. It is not simply to take them out of the background on certain instance. If a pokemon is not a pokeball, then it is either not in the game or a playable character.

Pokeballs like Ats are seperate from the roster because people would want all the pokemon or AT characters as playable if just one happed to pop up as playable.

You may be right for all we know but to say that he is decomfirmed is again too ambitious.
Critical condition i could understand.

 

[Metalknux]

An item is different in the sense that there are a large amount of pokemon that pop out of them. It is not simply to take them out of the background on certain instance. If a pokemon is not a pokeball, then it is either not in the game or a playable character.

Pokeballs like Ats are seperate from the roster because people would want all the pokemon or AT characters as playable if just one happed to pop up as playable.

You may be right for all we know but to say that he is decomfirmed is again too ambitious.
Critical condition i could understand.

I know, I just had to say that. It's possible that he is still going to be playable, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Chidosengan]

Fine, look. I post these deconfirmation as the way I see them. I won't be surprised if some of them turn out to be playable in the end. But I'm pretty sure that a lot of these are deconfirmed (Tom Nook and Palutena being examples due to circumstances.)

To tell the truth, I really think Dixie is not deconfirmed. But what led me to add her here was the way she was first seen: As a trophy. Plus, look at her closely. You'll notice that her fur is not as detailed as that of Diddy's, a playable character. I really want to delete her out of my list, but that would go against every other prediction I've made, therefore, I'm sticking to it.

 

[Bassoonist]

To tell the truth, I really think Dixie is not deconfiremed. But what led me to add her here was the way she was first seen: As a trophy. Plus, look at her closely. You'll notice that her fur is not as detailed as that of Diddy's, a playable character.

Did you not look at some of the playable character's trophies in Melee? Some of them aren't as detailed as their playable models.

 

[demonpanther]

To The topic creator.

The Characters that have trophies cannot be decomfirmed yet.

1.PCs had multiple smash trophies in melee.

2. The fact that Diddy's trophy is next to Dixie's should show that it is possible.

Tom Nook cannot be decomfirmed yet as well.

1. Charcters can be removed from the background as easily as they are placed.

I vote for these characters to go in critical condition

Why because this graveyard is confusing.

I came here to find out why Nook/Lil Mac and Gardevoir were decomfirmed.
What i was looking for was if they are ATs or Pokeballed.

Nook like the trophies are still hotly debated in these forums as well as others. It is unfair to decide their fate based on vague info and assumptions.

Critical condition is a nice idea and i applaud you. I recommend these characters are classified under it.

 

[ParamoreRiot]

Ugh. Tom Nook WILL NOT be playable. Neither will KK. here are some reasons
-Cubone is on th Pokemon Stadium Background= he does not seem to be playable
-There are other AC characters in Smashville= they aren't playable (for obvious reasons)
-King Bulbin is on the Bridge of Eldin stage= he's not playable (Sakurai already stated his purpose)

Face it. He WON'T BE PLAYABLE! Oh and Ridley will be in Brawl, as a PC.
And enough with the double posting.

 

[EPX2]

Ugh. Tom Nook WILL NOT be playable. Neither will KK. here are some reasons
-Cubone is on th Pokemon Stadium Background= he's not playable
-There are other AC characters in Smashville= they aren't playable
-King Bulbin is on the Bridge of Eldin stage= he's not playable

Face it. He WON'T BE PLAYABLE! Oh and Ridley will be in Brawl, as a PC.
And enough with the double posting.

Your entire argument is based off facts that haven't even been proven as facts yet... wtf?

 

[Chidosengan]

Did you not look at some of the playable character's trophies in Melee? Some of them aren't as detailed as their playable models.

Ah, but there were also collectible trophies as good as detailed as those of playable trophies. Dixie's and Plum's were really well done, yet they weren't playable.

 

[demonpanther]

I am not attacking this thread nor trying to show love for nook.

This is a great thread just a bit inaccurate that is all.

Your opinions are good and i agree with most of them but there is still hope, not much but still hope for a select few of these characters. This is why they should go under Critical Condition.

 

[ParamoreRiot]

I have a question for you though.

Why would Sakurai "reveal" Tom Nook as being in the background of Smashville, while secretly he is a playable character?

Your not being logical dear sir.

 

[Bassoonist]

Ah, but there were also collectible trophies as good as detailed as those of playable trophies. Dixie's and Plum's were really well done, yet they weren't playable.

Therefore the point about the trophies being less detailed is totally irrelevant.

 

[demonpanther]

I have a question for you though.

Why would Sakurai "reveal" Tom Nook as being in the background of Smashville, while secretly he is a playable character?

Your not being logical dear sir.

That is why i say critical condition.

Logic on this board once dictated that Samus would not transform on stage.

Wario's bike was not a move but a cutscene.

Metaknight was not shown on smashboards because he was unlockable.

The world icons matched third parties together.

We are all wrong now and again. I may be wrong. My point is don't decomfirm him yet.

 

[demonpanther]

don't decomfirm *them* yet

 

[Bassoonist]

Metaknight was not shown on smashboards because he was unlockable.

What?

I was never sure that Meta Knight was unlockable, in fact when somebody said he was I was like "He is? Says what?"

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

I can see where you going with the trophy argument, because there have been trophies for playable characters in the past. But the Tom Nook argument falls through. There is no previous evidence of a character that appears in the background would also be playable.

 

[demonpanther]

I can see where you going with the trophy argument, because there have been trophies for playable characters in the past. But the Tom Nook argument falls through. There is no previous evidence of a character that appears in the background would also be playable.

There is now. Pokemon Trainer is an example.

 

[Circus]

I have a question for you though.

Why would Sakurai "reveal" Tom Nook as being in the background of Smashville, while secretly he is a playable character?

Your not being logical dear sir.

Because that's exactly how Sakurai operates.

"I'll show Mario using his Mario Tornado; they'll all think it's his down B!"

"I'll delay Meta Knight's profile; they'll all think he's a secret character!"

"I'll make Red a playable character; that sure will **** with their heads!!!"

Who are we to say "No way. Taking a character out of the background? Too far, Sakurai. TOO FAR"?

 

[ParamoreRiot]

Ok lets make a bet.

I bet Nook will not be playable.

 

[Bassoonist]

There is now. Pokemon Trainer is an example.

A completely irrelevant example... He WORKS from the background. He doesn't have to disappear from the background to play as him.

 

[demonpanther]

Ok lets make a bet.

I bet Nook will not be playable.

I have my doubts as well, but i say he will just cause i am a gambling man.

 

[WuTangDude]

TS, don't change it.

A new character wouldn't debuit as a trophy before their dojo update.

Did we a Lucas, Ike, Diddy Kong trophy etc. before their Dojo updates? No, so it seems more logical to keep it how it is.

 

[demonpanther]

A completely irrelevant example... He WORKS from the background. He doesn't have to disappear from the background to play as him.

But he disappears from the background regardless.
Nook would be PT in reverse but only for one stage.

Nook owned everything in Animal Crossing, it would make sense for him to be in the background of the stage every now and again.

When he is selected along with the stage he won't.

I can even go on to say, once he is unlocked he won't appear period. Removing a character permenantly from a background is even easier than bringing him back once in a while.

The point is don't deconfirm him yet. I MAY BE WRONG. He deserves to be in this thread under critical condition until proven otherwise.

 

[EPX2]

TS, don't change it.

A new character wouldn't debuit as a trophy before their dojo update.

Did we a Lucas, Ike, Diddy Kong trophy etc. before their Dojo updates? No, so it seems more logical to keep it how it is.

No, but we did get a Donkey Kong appearance before his Dojo update. Same for Peach. That argument doesn't really hold much water for the simple fact that Sakurai updates whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

I can see where you going with the trophy argument, because there have been trophies for playable characters in the past. But the Tom Nook argument falls through. There is no previous evidence of a character that appears in the background would also be playable.

I already gave you an example of a game where this has happened... if you're talking about the Smash series exclusively, your point is still weak for the simple fact that just because a precedent has yet to be set doesn't mean that one never will be.

 

[Bassoonist]

But he disappears from the background regardless.
Nook would be PT in reverse but only for one stage.

Nook owned everything in Animal Crossing, it would make sense for him to be in the background of the stage every now and again.

When he is selected along with the stage he won't.

I can even go on to say, once he is unlocked he won't appear period. Removing a character permenantly from a background is even easier than bringing him back once in a while.

The point is don't deconfirm him yet. I MAY BE WRONG. He deserves to be in this thread under critical condition until proven otherwise.

He owned everything in Animal Crossing so he deserves to be in the background? -_- So Mario and Luigi should be in the background of their stages, don't you agree?

I just don't see it happening, but I can settle with leaving him as in "critical condition".

I can see Circus's point, because Sakurai does like to mess with our minds... a lot.

 

[Circus]

Ok lets make a bet.

I bet Nook will not be playable.

I bet he won't be playable either. I never thought he'd be playable.

But removing him from the background isn't such an unfathomable idea. He's not deconfirmed. That's the only point that's trying to be made here.

EDIT: Thanks, Andrew. I think we can all at least agree that Sakurai's a nutter. A good nutter, mind you.

 

[EPX2]

I bet he won't be playable either. I never thought he'd be playable.

But removing him from the background isn't such an unfathomable idea. He's not deconfirmed. That's the only point that's trying to be made here.

Win. Absolute win.

 

[demonpanther]

I bet he won't be playable either. I never thought he'd be playable.

But removing him from the background isn't such an unfathomable idea. He's not deconfirmed. That's the only point that's trying to be made here.

EDIT: Thanks, Andrew. I think we can all at least agree that Sakurai's a nutter. A good nutter, mind you.

Yes exactly.

On both accounts even

 

[Circus]

Win. Absolute win.

Yes exactly.

On both accounts even

I tells it like I sees it.

 

[NukeA6]

TS, don't change it.

A new character wouldn't debuit as a trophy before their dojo update.

Did we a Lucas, Ike, Diddy Kong trophy etc. before their Dojo updates? No, so it seems more logical to keep it how it is.

Remember before Melee was released? They showed a screenshot of a Luigi trophy way before he was confirmed.

 

[Sinn]

I tells it like I sees it.

You sees it clearly. I think that's the point. Yeah, a lot of us don't think these things are likely, but that's a far cry from trying to sound authoritative and saying, "This is totally not going to happen because of this. It makes it impossible."

 

[smashbot226]

GRR!!!

Why does it mean that if the person is a trophy, WHY DOES IT MEAN THEY ARE DECONFIRMED?!

 

[Bassoonist]

Why do I get the feeling that my favorite character will show up on this list soon?

Warning: When I'm depressing you don't want to be anywhere near me.

 

[Shuma]

Ok let me ask you something... if Tom Nook will just "dissapear" from the stage when you use him... why does he use the same model from AC, instead of an updated character model?

 

[vesperview]

Although Tom Nook's chances seem slim, the background thing doesn't really deconfirm him, they can totally take him out when you play as him, it just seems unlikely, for me at this point the Smashville stage is what represents the Animal Crossing series in Brawl, cause I wouldn't like to see any of the humans as playables.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Tom Nook -_-

He's part of the flippin' stage. Come on.

 

[vesperview]

sigh...it's kinda sad to see people clinging to their shreds of hope...

Tom Nook -_-

He's part of the flippin' stage. Come on.

It hasn't happened before for the theory to be totally dismissed just yet.

 

[smashbot226]

Meowth is dead.

Pokeball char.

 

[Drclaw411]

Add Meowth to the graveyard

Confirmed as a Pokeball pokemon. Megaman still unconfirmed.

 

[Shuma]

Thank god.