Brawl Graveyard: Where lost hopes rest

[Bassoonist]

Sinn, that doesn't prove anything in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. That's a DBZ game, and has nothing to do with this game.

 

[Shuma]

Exactly, besides the DBZ games are diferent to any other fighthing game in ever sense of the word. And still, those moves have some kind of backstory to them, since that stuff happened in the Anime.

Besides, why would toad be playable? does he even fight? 'cause IIRC he just cowers in fear each time Bowser kidnaps Peach.

 

[Sinn]

Aside from the fact that they're both fighting games. You don't really have a point to stand on with this aside from the fact that YOU think it would be strange or not make sense. While on the other hand, we have other designers working in the same genre of games who've said, "Ya know what? We know this character is playable in this game, but this would be an awesome move to have him show up in. Let's think outside the box."

Sakurai's team seems to think outside of the box a LOT. I don't think that they would be narrow minded enough to rule out the possibility.

 

[Bassoonist]

You're completely missing the point that not all games have to be the same. Just because it's a game in the same genre doesn't mean a single thing. -_-

I mean come on, Super Smash Bros. is very different from the typical fighting game. You knock characters off the sides to defeat them.

 

[Shuma]

Again, why would Toad fight, since he doesn't fight!.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Characters are officially in the grave when the Smash Bros. website states it. Anything shown on the demo could be removed or edited when the actual game is released.

 

[Sinn]

I'm just saying that it's not as unfeasible as you make it sound. Do I personally think they're going to do it? Not particularly, since I don't think there'll be a lot of characters who actually use other characters for their moves. However...if there was any character they were going to do that with, Toad is probably the most likely in my opinion. Toad coming face to face with a different Toad is like Yoshi coming face to face with another Yoshi: it's NOT an uncommon lawbreaker.

 

[Bassoonist]

I can agree with that.

I just think it's silly that he should be removed from this list when we have other characters that have been less deconfirmed, like the trophy characters...

 

[EPX2]

I can agree with that.

I just think it's silly that he should be removed from this list when we have other characters that have been less deconfirmed, like the trophy characters...

Both the arguments that because Toad is part of Peach's moveset = no playable Toad and that because certain characters have been seen as trophies in Brawl, they can't be playable, are equally stupid. And I have no idea what Shuma is raving about in suggesting that because Toad is not necessarily known for his fighting skills, there's no reason why he should be playable.

 

[Shuma]

Toad will not be playable face it, Geno and Bowser Jr. have a bigger chance, hell Waluigi has a bigger chance, this is the SAME argument used with Nook, "he's part of a moveset, but since there are a billion toads, he can still be playable" it's a more valid argument, but still, it's a very stupid one. There's no chance in hell toad will be playable.

 

[EPX2]

Toad will not be playable face it, Geno and Bowser Jr. have a bigger chance, hell Waluigi has a bigger chance, this is the SAME argument used with Nook, "he's part of a moveset, but since there are a billion toads, he can still be playable" it's a more valid argument, but still, it's a very stupid one. There's no chance in hell toad will be playable.

I never said anything about multiple Toads. Try again. I'm suggesting that Sakurai and his development team aren't as narrow-minded as you and wouldn't pass up the chance to include a character just because he's part of another character's moveset. I've already given you a reason why Peach's B move is irrelevant, as has Sinn. But you refuse to acknowledge this, instead opting to continuously post, "LOL TOAD ISN'T GOING TO BE PLAYABLE BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE - TO ME!"

 

[silver777]

Characters are officially in the grave when the Smash Bros. website states it. Anything shown on the demo could be removed or edited when the actual game is released.

so Jill, which was OBVIOUSLY an AT in the demo, can be changed to a PC???

.......LoL.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

so Jill, which was OBVIOUSLY an AT in the demo, can be changed to a PC???

.......LoL.

It's more about Gardevoir in my case. In the demo, it's in a Poke Ball, but Mr. Mime or Grumpig (less popular Pokemon with similar skills) could take over that position in the actual game. Unless SmashBros.com confirms the outcome, I'm not completely giving up.

 

[Bassoonist]

It's more about Gardevoir in my case. In the demo, it's in a Poke Ball, but Mr. Mime or Grumpig (less popular Pokemon with similar skills) could take over that position in the actual game. Unless SmashBros.com confirms the outcome, I'm not completely giving up.

If they did that, than Gardevoir wouldn't be in the game at all. It's obvious that Sakurai only intended her to be a Pokeball from that demo.

 

[Metaknight X]

Again, why would Toad fight, since he doesn't fight!.

Oh boy, not this argument again...

Just because a character didn't have many/any moves in their original games doesn't mean the dev team can't think of ones to give them. Fox, Zelda and Captain Falcon say hi. I'm sick and tired of this whole "x character doesn't have any moves that would be any good/work, so they shouldn't be in the game!". Movesets should not be the main reason a character is added in Brawl. Sure, I'm all for awesome movesets, but not every move in the game has to have appeared in another game first. As long as every move in the game 'fits' the character it's given to, regardless of whether it's from another game or not, I'll be happy.

And you clearly haven't played Super Mario Bros. 2, or for that matter, Wario's Woods. He's a playable character in both of those games. I don't know too much about Wario's Woods, but in SMB2, he was pretty **** strong. He was the fastest character in the game and was also the quickest to pull items out of the ground, though to make up for it his jumping sucked. So Toad has fought in the past, and even if he hadn't it wouldn't matter. Just because a character did no fighting in their games doesn't mean it'll be the same in Smash.

And BTW, this wasn't a pro-Toad rant. Though I believe Toad could have worked as a playable character, Toad's already been deconfirmed, as he's been shown to be part of Peach's moveset. All the Toad fans can hope for now is that Toadette is a part of the playable roster, and that's extremely unlikely as Toadette isn't very important in the grand scheme of the Mario series. This rant was more about putting to bed the ridiculous argument that characters have to have been able to fight in their own games to make it into Brawl...

 

[ParamoreRiot]

It's more about Gardevoir in my case. In the demo, it's in a Poke Ball, but Mr. Mime or Grumpig (less popular Pokemon with similar skills) could take over that position in the actual game. Unless SmashBros.com confirms the outcome, I'm not completely giving up.

Your even in more denial than those Nook lovers.

xD

Face it. Gardevoir won't be playable. I wanted Gardevoir as a PC myself, but its not gonna happen.

 

[EPX2]

And BTW, this wasn't a pro-Toad rant. Though I believe Toad could have worked as a playable character, Toad's already been deconfirmed, as he's been shown to be part of Peach's moveset. All the Toad fans can hope for now is that Toadette is a part of the playable roster, and that's extremely unlikely as Toadette isn't very important in the grand scheme of the Mario series...

*sigh*

This issue has been addressed numerous times.

 

[Shuma]

I never said anything about multiple Toads. Try again. I'm suggesting that Sakurai and his development team aren't as narrow-minded as you and wouldn't pass up the chance to include a character just because he's part of another character's moveset. I've already given you a reason why Peach's B move is irrelevant, as has Sinn. But you refuse to acknowledge this, instead opting to continuously post, "LOL TOAD ISN'T GOING TO BE PLAYABLE BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE - TO ME!"

Ok, so Sakurai just made Toad part of a moveset(again) to also make him playable? does that makes sense to you?

Just because a character didn't have many/any moves in their original games doesn't mean the dev team can't think of ones to give them. Fox, Zelda and Captain Falcon say hi. I'm sick and tired of this whole

Yes, but Fox has military training, wich means that he CAN fight, Zelda uses Magic and turned into Sheik so she CAN fight, Cap'n Falcon is a bounty Hunter so he CAN fight, Toad is a mayordomo!.

And you clearly haven't played Super Mario Bros. 2, or for that matter, Wario's Woods. He's a playable character in both of those games. I don't know too much about Wario's Woods, but in SMB2, he was pretty **** strong. He was the fastest character in the game and was also the quickest to pull items out of the ground, though to make up for it his jumping sucked. So Toad has fought in the past, and even if he hadn't it wouldn't matter. Just because a character did no fighting in their games doesn't mean it'll be the same in Smash.

Curse you, you win this round, we'll meet gain bwahahaha!.

Translation:

I did play Mario Bros 2, i just wasn't sure if Toad was playable or not.

And BTW, this wasn't a pro-Toad rant. Though I believe Toad could have worked as a playable character, Toad's already been deconfirmed, as he's been shown to be part of Peach's moveset. All the Toad fans can hope for now is that Toadette is a part of the playable roster, and that's extremely unlikely as Toadette isn't very important in the grand scheme of the Mario series. This rant was more about putting to bed the ridiculous argument that characters have to have been able to fight in their own games to make it into Brawl...

Agreed, kinda.

 

[~N9NE~]

I know Toad is used by Peach but I still believe Toad is in fact the Ancient Minister and will reveal himself as the ultimate boss in the Subspace Emissary. Then he will use his unfathomable powers of doom to make Tom Nook and Gardevoir playable.

 

[Bassoonist]

I agree with Metaknight X 100%. There's no reason that Toad shouldn't have been playable, but he isn't, and we must deal with it.

 

[EPX2]

Ok, so Sakurai just made Toad part of a moveset(again) to also make him playable? does that makes sense to you?

Obviously so, as I've been arguing that I don't see anything wrong with it. As Sinn said, Sakurai saw an opportunity to incorportate Toad in Peach's moveset in a useful way; it's appropriate seeing as how Toads are supposed to protect Princess Peach, so what better way of implementing this characteristic in the SSB series than by making him a counter move for Peach? That doesn't definitely mean Sakurai doesn't view him as being capable of standing his own ground as a playable character.

 

[Shuma]

Uhhhh... ok....

 

[Chidosengan]

Saki and Airan (from Sin & Punishment) has been sent to the graveyard.

Reported as an AT here:
http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-with-super-smash-bros-brawl-48983.phtml

For those lazy to read

Sin and Punishment character. She shoots and slashes at whoever is closest to her.

Now this one is a bit out there. Since he says its a "she," it must be Airan. But then again, Saki (the main character) can be easily mistaken for a girl. Just look at them:

Saki

Airan

They both "shoot and slashes at whoever is closest" in their game. I really hope its Airan, because if so, it almost guarantees Saki in Brawl! But I really believe that AT is Saki. I mean, I thought he was a girl once, too!

If you haven't played Sin & Punishment yet, then your are committing a sin against the video game gods! Go to the Virtual Console on the Wii and download it for $12. You will not regret it. Worth every penny.

 

[ParamoreRiot]

Thats a guy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Big-Cat]

Airan's chest says he's a girl.

Oh crap, it's Birdo all over again.

 

[Chidosengan]

Thats a guy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yup, Saki's a guy. If you play the game, you'll hear that he has a really deep voice.

Further evidenced that all other characters address him as "he", "him", and "boy."

 

[Dragonblood21]

Yup, Saki's a guy. If you play the game, you'll hear that he has a really deep voice.

Further evidenced that all other characters address him as "he", "him", and "boy."

:: Blinks at you, speechless ::

 

[blerb]

not all of the characters there are deconfirmed...

 

[Fawriel]

Rest in peace, Dean Harrington.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=110996
( ^probably not him )

 

[Croco]

not all of the characters there are deconfirmed...

I noticed that also..

Miis aren't deconfirmed YET.
Just because they are avatars.. that doesn't mean they aren't playable..
LOOK HERE-

The rest of the confirmed characters are even in selectable as avatars.. Instead of deconfirming Miis this raises their chances as PCs.

Oh.. and just because someone is a trophy it doesn't mean they to are also deconfirmed.. Sakurai would be wise enough to fool everyone that way.

Unless they are ATs or Pokemon.. or if Sakurai announces it, they shouldn't be in the graveyard yet.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I noticed that also..

Miis aren't deconfirmed YET.
Just because they are avatars.. that doesn't mean they aren't playable..
LOOK HERE-

The rest of the confirmed characters are even in selectable as avatars.. Instead of deconfirming Miis this raises their chances as PCs.

Oh.. and just because someone is a trophy it doesn't mean they to are also deconfirmed.. Sakurai would be wise enough to fool everyone that way.

Unless they are ATs or Pokemon.. or if Sakurai announces it, they shouldn't be in the graveyard yet.

Your joking right...Look at the mii's background...It's not blue like the playable characters...

I think that deconfirms them enough...not to mention that it was shown in an unimportant update...where he hid the other playable characters...

 

[Croco]

Your joking right...Look at the mii's background...It's not blue like the playable characters...

I think that deconfirms them enough...not to mention that it was shown in an unimportant update...where he hid the other playable characters...

OH PLEASE..

Here are two big reasons-
1. It's a new avatar for each Mii and that Mii's favorite color.. so it creates a new one.. the Mii selector tab might just read "Mii" for all we know.
2. Sakurai NEVER said that they were deconfirmed or unplayable.

plus.. why not show them? seriously? WHY NOT? There isn't a reason not to.
He showed a few stages in some videos which have not been announced on the DoJo yet.. like Norfair and that"Ice climbers stage" or even the Mario Kart stage etc.

There has not been a official word from Sakurai that they have been deconfirmed. I would only believe they are if they become ATs or if Sakurai says so on the DoJo.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

OH PLEASE..

Here are two big reasons-
1. It's a new avatar for each Mii and that Mii's favorite color.. so it creates a new one.. the Mii selector tab might just read "Mii" for all we know.
2. Sakurai NEVER said that they were deconfirmed or unplayable.

plus.. why not show them? seriously? WHY NOT? There isn't a reason not to.
He showed a few stages in some videos which have not been announced on the DoJo yet.. like Norfair and that"Ice climbers stage" or even the Mario Kart stage etc.

There has not been a official word from Sakurai that they have been deconfirmed. I would only believe they are if they become ATs or if Sakurai says so on the DoJo.

...and? So, why doesn't it have Lucas on it? Or any other playable...

...Why would they be revealed in such an unimportant update like they mean nothing?

 

[Triple_Factorial]

NSider2's Rodriguezjr found a few Famitsu scans of Lucas in action. These may or may not raise Ness's condition from Critical to Serious (the condition before Critical), since Lucas was originally going to have Ness's moves.

When it comes to Ness's chances, take this as you may. Personally, I think it makes Lucas look more like a Luigified Ness.

 

[NukeA6]

There's been a lot of deconfirmations lately (trophies don't count. Remember Luigi?).

NSider2's Rodriguezjr found a few Famitsu scans of Lucas in action. These may or may not raise Ness's condition from Critical to Serious (the condition before Critical), since Lucas was originally going to have Ness's moves.

When it comes to Ness's chances, take this as you may. Personally, I think it makes Lucas look more like a Luigified Ness.

He looks more like a replacement for Ness. I see a down a spike, a possible Back Air, and an attack that looks like PK Flash.

I will have to wait till I see Lucas in a video to see if Ness is in or not.

 

[Chidosengan]

What's with the snake? It seems to move just like Ness' Down A smash.

 

[axemangx]

This deserves a huge makeover.

Drill Dozer
Lil Mac
Advance Wars

 

[vesperview]

I think the Rope Snake is enough to draw the conclusion that Ness and Lucas are not the same.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

I think the Rope Snake is enough to draw the conclusion that Ness and Lucas are not the same.

Rope Snake replaces yo-yo.

 

[axemangx]

Rope Snake replaces yo-yo.

Forward A kills this..