Blue Pikmin kill throw %?

[Ultra-Platinum]

Has anyone compiled a list or chart of the minimum percentage the opponent needs to be on for the up throw to kill?
It would be extremely helpful.

 

[Myran]

Has anyone compiled a list or chart of the minimum percentage the opponent needs to be on for the up throw to kill?
It would be extremely helpful.

I don't believe anyone has recorded the data for this. Would definitely be a lot of work, due to rage varying so much, plus almost 50 characters weights to record.

Edit: Also forgot about different ceiling height.

 

[Kamarihi]

I find most characters die from it at AROUND 130-150% reliably.

 

[Angbad]

I've found 150+ to be the sweetspot on smashville

 

[Myran]

I've found 150+ to be the sweetspot on smashville

For what characters?

 

[Angbad]

For what characters?

Well I really only went and tested this for diddy and sheik. But for diddy it was like %148 up throw started killing him in training mode, so with proper DI it's possible for them to live longer. It was around %145 for Sheik. Back throws on the ledge with blue were killing around %15 earlier on all characters I tested.

 

[koken]

I will do some research and test. First with all characters without caring the stage and then characters and stage.
I will post my results here.

 

[elmuchogrumpy]

Silly question, but does Olimar's up-throw have the highest kill potential?

 

[koken]

So here is the first part of my research

1st edit: Put it on a table so you can order as whatever you want.
2nd edit: Added videos nearly to the % I mentioned.
3rd edit 2015 02 07:

• Town and the City is 5~6% less than FD needed for the kill.
• Battlefield is 7~8% more than FD needed for the kill.
• Lylat and Halberd are moving stages so it's very variable. (???)
• Castle Siege its depends on the state of the stage. (???)

|% Smashville - Final Destination - Duck Hunt
Jigglypuff|115
Game and Watch|121
Kirby|126
Rosalina|128
Pikachu|130
Olimar|131
Sheik|133
Fox|133
Peach| 133 - 134
Metaknight|134
Zelda|135
Palutena|135
Samus Zero|136
Falco|137
Toon Link|138
Greninja|138
Wii Fit Trainer|139
Ness| 128 (Rage) - 132 - 140
Luigi|142
Aldeano|142
Pacman|143
Sonic|144
Mac|146
Yoshi| 113 (Rage) - 147 - 155
Pit|147
Marth|147
Robin|147
Dr. Mario|147
Pit Oscuro|147
Lucina|147
Diddy Kong |148 - 152
Duck Hunt|150
Mario| 137 (Rage) - 151 - 166
Rob|151
Shulk|151
Samus|152
Charizard|152
Lucario|153
Wario|154
Link|154 - 176
Bowser Jr.|155
Ganondorf|157
Capitan Falcon|158
Ike|159
Megaman|159
Bowser|162
Donkey|169
King Dedede|180

I will do more test and I will be updating this.

 

[Myran]

So here is the first part of muy research

Town and the City
Mario 151
Luigi 142
Peach 134
Bowser 162
Yoshi 147
Rosalina 128
Bowser 155
Wario 154
Donkey 169
Diddy 148
Game and watch 121
Mac 146
Link 154
Zelda 135
Sheik 133
Ganondorf 157
Toon Link 138
Samus 152
Samus Zero 136
Pit 147
Palutena 135
Marth 147
Ike 159
Robin 147
Duck hunt 150
Kirby 126
King dedede 180
Metaknight 134
Fox 133
Falco 137
Pikachu 130
Charizard 152
Lucario 153
Jigglypuff 115
Greninja 138
Rob 151
Ness 140
Capitan falcon 158
Aldeano 142
Olimar 131
Wii fit 139
Shulk 151
Dr Mario 147
Pit oscuro 147
Lucina 147
Pacman 143
Megaman 159
Sonic 144

I will do more test and I will be updating this.

I assume the Olimar is at 0% for each of these?

 

[koken]

I assume the Olimar is at 0% for each of these?

My ignorance is telling me to say "yes", but for the sake of our community I have to say no.
Does affects the % of Olimar? Why?
I was going forward with the tests but this new info ruined all my plans

 

[Myran]

My ignorance is telling me to say "yes", but for the sake of our community I have to say no.
Does affects the % of Olimar? Why?
I was going forward with the tests but this new info ruined all my plans

Well if Olimar isn't at 0% than he will have rage. Rage increases the knockback of moves when your percent increase.

 

[koken]

Well if Olimar isn't at 0% than he will have rage. Rage increases the knockback of moves when your percent increase.

It is a direct relation, exponential reason or logarithmic?

 

[Myran]

It is a direct relation, exponential reason or logarithmic?

I don't know exactly how it works. I just know that as your percent increases your knockback does as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZPxLLaL4N8 there is a video explaining it.

 

[koken]

I don't know exactly how it works. I just know that as your percent increases your knockback does as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZPxLLaL4N8 there is a video explaining it.

Thanks a lot for this aclaration, seems like it is a direct relation, but not at the same level.

I will have to do this research again just at 0%. Please wait for the results :D.

By the way, is there something else I should consider???

 

[Myran]

Thanks a lot for this aclaration, seems like it is a direct relation, but not at the same level.

I will have to do this research again just at 0%. Please wait for the results :D.

By the way, is there something else I should consider???

Just make sure uthrow is fresh each time, and record the different stages. The testing should show kill % without rage for each stage with no di. That's better than nothing.

 

[koken]

Just make sure uthrow is fresh each time, and record the different stages. The testing should show kill % without rage for each stage with no di. That's better than nothing.

What you mean with "a fresh throw each time"?

 

[Myran]

What you mean with "a fresh throw each time"?

Do you know about how moves stale?

 

[koken]

It does affects SSB4 too? I thought it was not working or at least it was not fully working.

 

[koken]

Alright my people, I did a few test and this is what I get. I didn't test it against all characters as the first time because the % repeats.

Olimar 0%, Town and the City and only using the Blue Pikmin.

Mario 151
Luigi 142
Peach 134
Bowser 162
Yoshi 147
Rosalina 128
Bowser Jr 155
...

So the conclusion may be (@ Myran the first one could possibly be confirmed by you in order for updating your awesome guide)

1) Uthrow does 12.5 instead of 12. I did at least 20 tests about it and I get the same.
2) Uthrow isn't affected by move stale (always does 12.5 even when you spam it without another movement)

So ... the only thing that is left to do, is to test this results in another stage.
I could do it but first I need to confirm these 2 things so I'm counting on you guys.

Go Olimar / Alph!

 

[Myran]

Knock back is really important when moves stale.

 

[koken]

Knock back is really important when moves stale.

I don't understand your answer :/ ... I know it does but I just wrote that it doesn't affect Uthrow D: ...

 

[Myran]

I don't understand your answer :/ ... I know it does but I just wrote that it doesn't affect Uthrow D: ...

You were listing damage as not being affected. Every move stales, knock back being affected.

 

[koken]

Among this week, I will be trying to test this info in for glory mode, but it will be approximately because of the adrenaline of the match.
Anyway I think what we have here is better than nothing.

 

[koken]

Okey guys, yesterday I test 3 characters with a Blue Pikmin Uthrow.
I had VERY LUCKY on Kirby at EXACTLY 126% and he died. I don't know if he DI or whatever is the name, but I think this is quite good because I did it with 26% on Olimar so isn't that much affected by the incremental reason/relation (and I keep thinking that doesn't affect throws).
Not sure if Bowser DI or whatever you call, but at 160% (162% needed by my analisis) he escaped form death.
Finally Marth at 138% (147% needed by my analisis) and he escaped too.

I'm putting a lot of effort to accomplish this, but I have very, very bad games trying to pull this over XD. I'm starting a little experiment about having 3 blue pikmin at higher % in order to success for this tests. Wish me luck.

Waiting for you feedback guys =D.

 

[koken]

I'm not sure if this is considered a double-triple posting, but I consider it properly to say.
I think this thread and topic (or maybe another new with the chart at the first post) would be better to be sticky/pinned. I don't mind creating the thread by myself in order for the first post has the chart, but I don't want to break the rules of the forum. If someone can confirm this to me, I will create the new thread.

Anyway, this post is for letting you all know that I will do a research (again) with the remaining Throws with a Blue Pikmin and their % of kill. And I hope (in a near future) an investigation with ALL the Pikmin Throws.

I hope to do more investigation in other topics, so we can get the maximum potential of Olimar with a solid database. If you guys have another information or want to destroy mine, PLEASE DO IT. I don't care if I'm wrong with some numbers or conclusions, but I do care about the knowledge of our favorite Pikmin farmer.

Regards .

 

[koken]

I struggled a LOT to make tables XD. The Help section needs to be improved.

Edited: I will post the other results in the competitive discusion.

 

[Myran]

Alright for the sake of this being a blue pikmin kill throw thread it would be best to only keep that chart and place the others in the competitive discussion thread. Also the chart for the throws has all the numbers either right after the character names or in the yellow Pikmin column.

 

[koken]

Alright for the sake of this being an blue pikmin kill throw thread it would be best to only keep that chart and place the others in the competitive discussion thread. Also the chart for the throws has all the numbers either right after the character names or in the yellow Pikmin column.

Ok, I'm editing my post u_u ...

 

[koken]

Just want to up this topic by saying this:

• Diddy didn't died at 118% with Olimar at 113% on Smashville.
• Diddy died at 134% with Olimar at 113% on Smashville.

According to my data, 148% with Olimar at 0% needed on Smashville.

 

[-The Gucci Fairy-]

So here is the first part of my research

1st edit: Put it on a table so you can order as whatever you want.
2nd edit: Added videos nearly to the % I mentioned.
3rd edit 2015 02 07:

• Town and the City is 5~6% less than FD needed for the kill.
• Battlefield is 7~8% more than FD needed for the kill.
• Lylat and Halberd are moving stages so it's very variable. (???)
• Castle Siege its depends on the state of the stage. (???)

|% Smashville - Final Destination - Duck Hunt
Jigglypuff|115
Game and Watch|121
Kirby|126
Rosalina|128
Pikachu|130
Olimar|131
Sheik|133
Fox|133
Peach| 133 - 134
Metaknight|134
Zelda|135
Palutena|135
Samus Zero|136
Falco|137
Toon Link|138
Greninja|138
Wii Fit Trainer|139
Ness| 128 (Rage) - 132 - 140
Luigi|142
Aldeano|142
Pacman|143
Sonic|144
Mac|146
Yoshi| 113 (Rage) - 147 - 155
Pit|147
Marth|147
Robin|147
Dr. Mario|147
Pit Oscuro|147
Lucina|147
Diddy Kong |148 - 152
Duck Hunt|150
Mario| 137 (Rage) - 151 - 166
Rob|151
Shulk|151
Samus|152
Charizard|152
Lucario|153
Wario|154
Link|154 - 176
Bowser Jr.|155
Ganondorf|157
Capitan Falcon|158
Ike|159
Megaman|159
Bowser|162
Donkey|169
King Dedede|180

I will do more test and I will be updating this.

Update this list with dlc plz =)

 

[koken]

Wow... I thought no one was using this information :o.

Well, as you asked for, I will update it too with all the new changes of the recent patch, soon.

Thank you very much -The Gucci Fairy-

 

[koken]

I will update this today at night.

This was wrote at 09:30 Chilean time, I will update this around 23:00 Chilean time.

 

[Poisonous]

Alright my people, I did a few test and this is what I get. I didn't test it against all characters as the first time because the % repeats.

Olimar 0%, Town and the City and only using the Blue Pikmin.

Mario 151
Luigi 142
Peach 134
Bowser 162
Yoshi 147
Rosalina 128
Bowser Jr 155
...

So the conclusion may be (@ Myran the first one could possibly be confirmed by you in order for updating your awesome guide)

1) Uthrow does 12.5 instead of 12. I did at least 20 tests about it and I get the same.
2) Uthrow isn't affected by move stale (always does 12.5 even when you spam it without another movement)

So ... the only thing that is left to do, is to test this results in another stage.
I could do it but first I need to confirm these 2 things so I'm counting on you guys.

Go Olimar / Alph!

Were you testing this in the training room? Because moves don't stale in the training room.

 

[koken]

Were you testing this in the training room? Because moves don't stale in the training room.

Yes, I was. Myran already taught me time ago, when this topic was "on fire" .
Thank you any way though.

 

[koken]

All this was done with NNo DI and at Final Destination 1.1.5

|% Final Destination
Aldeano|143
Bayonetta|141
Bowser|163
Bowser Jr|155
Capitán Falcón|159
Charizard|152
Cloud|155
Corrin|151
Dark Pit|147
Diddy Kong|149
Donkey Kong|170
Dr Mario|147
Duck Hunt|150
Falco|138
Fox|133
Game and watch|122
Ganondorf|158
Greninja|138
Ike|159
Jigglypuff|115
King DDD|180
Kirby|128
Link|155
Little Mac|146
Lucario|157
Lucas|140
Lucina|147
Luigi|141
Mario|147
Marth|147
Mega Man|159
Meta Knight|134
Mewtwo|127
Ness|140
Olimar|130
Pac-Man|144
Palutena|135
Peach|135
Pikachu|131
Pit|147
ROB|156
Robin|147
Rosalina|127
Roy|153
Ryu|150
Samus|152
Sheik|133
Shulk|152
Sonic|143
Toon Link|138
Wario|154
Wii Fit Trainer|139
Yoshi|148
Zelda|135
Zero Suit Samus|136

 

[Myran]

All this was done with NNo DI and at Final Destination

Mario 147
Luigi 141
Peach 135
Bowser 163
Yoshi 148
Rosalina 127
Bowser Jr 155
Wario 154
Donkey Kong 170
Diddy Kong 149
Game and watch 122
Little Mac 146
Link 155
Zelda 135
Sheik 133
Ganondorf 158
Toon Link 138
Samus 152
Zero Suit Samus 136
Pit 147
Palutena 135
Marth 147
Ike 159
Robin 147
Duck Hunt 150
Kirby 128
King DVD 180
Meta Knight 134
Fox 133
Falco 138
Pikachu 131
Charizard 152
Lucario 157
Jigglypuff 115
Greninja 138
ROB 156
Ness 140
Capitán Falcón 159
Aldeano 143
Olimar 130
Wii Fit Trainer 139
Shulk 152
Dr Mario 147
Dark Pit 147
Lucina 147
Pac-Man 144
Mega man 159
Sonic 143
Mewtwo 127
Lucas 140
Roy 153
Ryu 150
Cloud 155
Corrin 151
Bayonetta 141

This was done pre patch correct?

 

[koken]

This was done pre patch correct?

I was crying when I finished posting the result and my group told me there was a patch :'( ....
So yes, this was done pre patch.

Also I was comparing the results with my previous post and it seems like the Uthrow got buffed?

I will try to rerun the analysis again tomorrow 17th.

 

[Myran]

My testing matched up with your numbers so everything looks to be the same.

 

[koken]

Oh boy, thanks god jajaja. I didn't want to rerun the analysis xD.

It just placebo or did Uthrow got buffed?