Data Bayonetta Match-Up Thread!

[OwntheLoner]

Not the bullets themselves, the extended hitbox of the kicks. Uair in particular brutalises Focus as a landing option if it makes contact.

And like Flamegeyser said, Bullet Climax is incredibly unkind to him.

Is Heel Slide safe on focus? I feel that spaced well it could also be a good to punish his landings.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

wait BA beats focus? but they dont do any hitstun. i always assumed nothing would happen.

BA doesn't beat focus but it does cancel the one hit super armor. It could be a saving grace to hit him with the explosions hitboxes if he focused a FSmash.

 

[Ghidorah14]

BA doesn't beat focus but it does cancel the one hit super armor.

So in essence, it does beat it.

 

[Fenny]

Is Heel Slide safe on focus? I feel that spaced well it could also be a good to punish his landings.

The bullets cancel the one hit super armour, so yeah it is.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

So in essence, it does beat it.

More or less
I was thinking BA cancel the armor but you aren't likely to be able to follow up in most cases. And in case that you can, it is not really BA dependant.
Jab 1 BA then Jab 2 is useful technically but Jab 1 then Jab 2 is almost the exactly same.

 

[Fenny]

Guys, I need help with Donkey Kong.

Getting damage on him isn't a problem, but when it comes to killing him, even gimping him is a struggle for me because I get caught in the massive hitbox of his dumb Up B recovery. And with him having more mobility than most heavies + he outranges Bayo, I find myself having a lot of trouble wit him.

 

[Flamegeyser]

Guys, I need help with Donkey Kong.

Getting damage on him isn't a problem, but when it comes to killing him, even gimping him is a struggle for me because I get caught in the massive hitbox of his dumb Up B recovery. And with him having more mobility than most heavies + he outranges Bayo, I find myself having a lot of trouble wit him.

He's only really threatening with his grab, and thanks to be pretty laggy I go for a bair punish for most kills, since like you said damage on him is almost as easy as Ike.

 

[TheColorfulOrca]

Guys, I need help with Donkey Kong.

Getting damage on him isn't a problem, but when it comes to killing him, even gimping him is a struggle for me because I get caught in the massive hitbox of his dumb Up B recovery. And with him having more mobility than most heavies + he outranges Bayo, I find myself having a lot of trouble wit him.

Killing DK on-stage is usually difficult, so I usually try to gimp him off-stage. In order to avoid the (very annoying) Up B, I try to get him down low, and stay above him. If you hit him from above with Nair, it will most likely clash with his Up B, if he tries to use it. You can then go back on-stage and repeat. If you're good at predicting the trajectory and speed of his Up B, you could also go for a Dair spike, as long as you start the Dair above the stage.

If you do want to kill him on-stage, I find kill confirms such as DTilt > Uair to be the most useful. Unfortunately, he does need to be at a very high percent for it to kill. Look for opportunities to use WTime, as that will take a stock much earlier on-stage.

Hope this helped!

 

[Fenny]

Any tips for Ness on FD? I find a good Ness stupidly hard for some reason.

 

[Ghidorah14]

Any tips for Ness on FD? I find a good Ness stupidly hard for some reason.

Well, uh...he cant absorb bullet arts, so there's that.

 

[Flamegeyser]

Any tips for Ness on FD? I find a good Ness stupidly hard for some reason.

I'm a bit iffy on it too. Still, try your hardest to play the "don't get grabbed" game (AKA space a lot and stick to the air, even if that seems like a terrible idea vs. Ness). Demolish him offstage, and try to stuff panic nairs with WTi. That's all I got. Lucas is worse IMO.

 

[DavemanCozy]

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