Social Bair is underpowered - Puff Social/Disc Thread

[Krynxe]

This is to keep all of the MU and over-all strategic information/discussion in Mahone's thread.

Use this thread to discuss how broken puff is

Normal discussion thread rules apply obviously.
- This thread is open to discussion and questions about puff. Mahone's thread is a better place to go to seek direct information about the character.
- Try to keep posts relevant in some way

We now have an active Skype group for puff players. Puff supporters are welcome, but be warned that productive discussion is very rare.
Add me or another puff on skype to get invited to the group chat.
R.I.P. skype chat group

"its just for us puffs to be like haters gonna hate yo"
-jungle

 

[Teczer0]

Way too underpowered even.

 

[Krynxe]

Not even close to useful

Pretty sure Zelda's dair out-tiers

 

[DtJ Jungle]

hey Kry could you edit some rules into the OP just so they're clear?

 

[Krynxe]

Sure np, let me know if you want me to add anything in particular. Editing it now.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Rollout is a pretty good move.

Also, Peach/Puff may be unwinnable for Peach. Going to have to play against more Puffs to see if these are just johns. However, this seems to say that it is, infact, unwinnable.

Also, you guys are cool, and Puff is a cool character.

 

[Wake]

I will kill the Puff, and I'll do it with Peach!

 

[Krynxe]

I honestly haven't fought any really good peaches yet. Out of all the high tiers, it's the only one I'm unfamiliar with. I really gotta be sure to play bladewise next time I get the chance and see.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I wanna be that Peach too, Wake. The one that's known for pwning Puffs. I'll have Armada taking notes.

And yeah, Bladewise is really good. Though I don't know how he does against Puff, it's cool that you're that close to him.

 

[Krynxe]

Considering he lives in WA, I'd imagine not so well. I'm like the only active puff here.

Seriously no disrespect to him because he's a fantastic player, but even Silent Wolf is pretty bad in the puff matchup compared to many foxes. I only played him in friendlies 2 times though, but I was able to take a match from him while other foxes like Toph were just completely styling on me. Just to give you an idea of how few puffs are around here.

Actually, I've gotten more compliments than hate from wa smashers because they're like "good to get some puff practice in here now" :3

 

[Teczer0]

Tristate even has no puffs :<

We lost our only puff to MW which is Vanz.

**** it, I should learn puff.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I should learn Puff.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Hi Puff guys I'm subscribed to this thread cuz I <3 Krynxe.

 

[Tekk]

Puff boards are the coolest.
Peach/Falcon boards are pretty cool as well.

 

[Krynxe]

Apex 2012 Videos - hbox
:: Hungrybox vs Mango
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TimQU7DGjqo
:: Hungrybox vs KirbyKaze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY1L8dyaiq0
:: Hungrybox vs Shroomed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qng7RTmsaV8
:: Hungrybox vs Javi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKXPWo5SQEk

Time to study, puffs. :3

 

[Massive]

That Hbox vs KirbyKaze match is going to be my new bible.

 

[Krynxe]

Haha yeah, and v. mango.

I actually want to see the set where KK sent hbox to losers to see what went wrong for hbox

 

[omgwtfToph]

Yeah, someone please link that when it goes up.

 

[Tekk]

I think Hbox' game vs sheik lacks efficiency in edgeguarding.
He could've reverse faired KK several times instead of trying to bair him, which requires more accuracy.

I may be wrong, but I think Idea and KK will agree on that.

 

[Massive]

I was referring more to the use of nair for approaches vs. sheik.

Hungrybox could probably benefit from reverse fairs more in general (I saw so many possible uses during the ylink match in GFs for example), but who am I to critique the best jigglypuff in the world?

 

[Tekk]

Just because we're not on Hbox' level doesn't mean we can't see mistakes in his game.

There's always room for one to improve.

 

[boomrested]

Subscribed. And I think our bair doesn't have enough range, it's always getting beat out by pichu's fair

 

[Krynxe]

I don't think the first set with hbox vs kk was recorded. Was it on the livestream? I was gone for a lot of the earlier brackets matches that sunday morning.

 

[omgwtfToph]

There was a guy standing next to me with a camera so I'm assuming he'll upload it at some point.

He actually moved a few feet away from me after I started yelling so I'm assuming some of the stuff I yelled was really ****ing loud LOL

You should have seen how hype me and Darrell were getting oh my god hahah

 

[Krynxe]

Haha sounds awesome then.

 

[BladeWise]

I was listening to KirbyKaze telling M2K how he succeeded against Hbox.
He basically said "Everytime I wanted to go for a grab, I instead did Dsmash (or WD in place -> Dsmash) because Hbox was blatantly trying to crouch under grabs a lot".
He also noted that, since Hbox does so many double bairs, KK would try to bair in between them.

Hbox adjusted his game appropriately in the 2nd set though.
I should probably post this in a Sheik thread, but oh well.

 

[boomrested]

At what point does Young Link run out of rupees to buy bombs?

 

[Massive]

Young Links biggest bomb bag holds 40 bombs.

Bombs at their cheapest are 30 rupees per 10 bombs.

The biggest wallet Young Link was ever given access to during the course of the two games he's been in was 500 rupees.

Assuming he had a full bomb bag the beginning of the match and was somehow able to resupply seamlessly (he does have magical bags, I'd wager) he would be able to refill his bag 16 times with 500 rupees, totaling 206 bombs per match.
Even in those 8 minute Apex GFs matches, I doubt 206 bombs were tossed.

SO, THE NUMBERS CHECK OUT. IT ALL STILL SEEMS FEASIBLE GUYS.

 

[FoxLisk]

Young Links biggest bomb bag holds 40 bombs.

Bombs at their cheapest are 30 rupees per 10 bombs.

The biggest wallet Young Link was ever given access to during the course of the two games he's been in was 500 rupees.

Assuming he had a full bomb bag the beginning of the match and was somehow able to resupply seamlessly (he does have magical bags, I'd wager) he would be able to refill his bag 16 times with 500 rupees, totaling 206 bombs per match.
Even in those 8 minute Apex GFs matches, I doubt 206 bombs were tossed.

SO, THE NUMBERS CHECK OUT. IT ALL STILL SEEMS FEASIBLE GUYS.

dude this post ***** SO HARD

i know it's early but post of the year.


@bladewise that explains why KK was spamming dsmash at bad times during the LB set then ><

 

[Krynxe]

I was listening to KirbyKaze telling M2K how he succeeded against Hbox.
He basically said "Everytime I wanted to go for a grab, I instead did Dsmash (or WD in place -> Dsmash) because Hbox was blatantly trying to crouch under grabs a lot".
He also noted that, since Hbox does so many double bairs, KK would try to bair in between them.

Hbox adjusted his game appropriately in the 2nd set though.
I should probably post this in a Sheik thread, but oh well.

Very interesting, I'll definitely keep this in mind when I'm playing sheiks in the future. Other sheiks probably wont be adapting as well as KK, but it's still very good to know how a sheik might change her game. Thanks teddy, like I said I'd really like to play you next gameclucks if you're down.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Tristate even has no puffs :<

We lost our only puff to MW which is Vanz.

**** it, I should learn puff.

I will literally hunt you down and destroy you.

 

[Teczer0]

I will literally hunt you down and destroy you.

What why :<

Fine, I'll learn ICz or samus =3

 

[Tekk]

LMAO Massive you're gettin off

 

[crush]

i decided to main puff now even :3

 

[boomrested]

i decided to main puff now even :3

Not sure how to respond...

 

[crush]

my puff *****, been playing her since 1996

 

[Pogogo]

Armada notes? You mean play yl?

 

[ShroudedOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z07CzxeXMVs

Apex 2012 GFs. It's a chore watching the whole thing, let me tell you. I think Hbox lost this when he began to approach less, tbh. He should have secured at least a full stock lead before camping Armada back.

 

[Krynxe]

I lol'd hard when I saw an hour and 15 minutes on the video for only grand finals.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z07CzxeXMVs

Apex 2012 GFs. It's a chore watching the whole thing, let me tell you. I think Hbox lost this when he began to approach less, tbh. He should have secured at least a full stock lead before camping Armada back.

Agreed. But its stage dependent on how much he should approach. I have absolutely no clue about the dynamics and strategies about camping on various stages. Especially with YL's camping options.

Wow I am really shocked there isn't a more simple solution for this MU. Even switching chars???