Astaroth 4 brawl

[Zephyr]

It's not your fault, arguing is pretty much inherent in all Brawl Forum threads. So, yeah, no need to apologize.

 

[shadenexus18]

if he was killed, he isnt the main character because he is dead.
QUOTE] Liu Kang was the central main character of Mortal Kombat. Of course, when he got killed in the opening scene of Deadly Alliance, when he died, so did the series meaning Mortal Kombat fans were so devastated that MK lost a good amount of fan base.

 

[dotdotdot!]

metal gear had its first game on a nintendo console and its creator begged for snake to be in SSB. you cant compare snake with other 3rd party characters. no other companies are begging for their characters to be in brawl, are they?

Metal Gear debuted on the MSX home console in Japan and Europe in 1987. Later that year, MG was ported to the NES, and didn't come out in the USA until 1988.

Also, how do you know other companies aren't begging? We know precious little about the comings and goings on over at the house that built Smash Bros. Maybe Sonic Team and the former Clover Studios took a stopover on the way to lunch to do some requisite begging. You don't know that and neither do I.

nope... the MAIN character. kind of like... the mascot of the franchise. ness is for EB, red is for pkmn, i've never played MGS.

Mascot of the franchise, huh? Guess what? If you want to talk franchise mascot than Ryu from SF and Liu Kang from MK are both perfect for smash Bros.

if he was killed, he isnt the main character because he is dead.

Well he's alive now. Plus, by your logic, Ness can't be in it because he's grown old and died by the time Mother 3 came out.
Liu Kang, as everyone (including the creators) agrees, is the main character of MK.

nope. the closest thing to a main character in SC is nightmare, but like all fighting games, SC doesnt have a main character that you are forced to play with regularly.

Nightmare is the same character as Sigfried.

tekken doesnt have a main character like alot of fighting games.

So you don't know either.

ehhh? no, a fighting genre character is not compulsary and no, fighting games dont have main characters. main character: link, samus, mario. the character that you are forced to play with. fighting games dont force you to play with any characters, so they dont have main characters. thats like sayign SSBM has a main character. it doesnt. each character is sort of like a main character, so you cant count any of them as a main character. the only thing that judges what characters are main characters in fighting games if your preferity.

Alright then, smart guy. Explain F-Zero. It's a racing game, and Like a fighting game, it does not force you to play as one characer. You can choose whatever character you want. If that's the case, how did Captain Falcon get into smash? By your logic, he shouldn't be in smash bros. because he's not the main character. Explain Fire Emblem. It's a Strategy RPG, and each game has upwards of 30 unique characters for you to use and control at the same time. Explain Pokemon, which, by the character trend shown in Smash's character choices, contains 409 unique entries that to get into Smash, and yet they chose Pikachu.

You really don't know as much as you think you do. Smash Bros. has already disputed your claim that Fighting games (or, as you say, games where "each character is sort of like a main character") are not suitable Smash material.

if he was killed, he isnt the main character because he is dead.

Liu Kang was the central main character of Mortal Kombat. Of course, when he got killed in the opening scene of Deadly Alliance, when he died, so did the series meaning Mortal Kombat fans were so devastated that MK lost a good amount of fan base.

I think Mortal Kombat died a lot earlier than that.

 

[Hylian Knight]

Night Terror would own all last bosses! Night Terror FTW!

dude, his name isn't night terror, it's NightMare... somebody that love's him as much as you guys should know that. Learn the character's name people! no offense

 

[Bobby Emerald]

Astoroth is too much for young children...it'll never work.
BUT there are other axe users like Hector from FE. He stands a good chance being in Brawl.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Astoroth is too much for young children...

He has an exposed pulsating heart o_O

 

[Micahc]

Actually, I would like Talim over Asteroth.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

dotdotdot, this is what i think about fighting characters. either the franchises that have something close to a main character arent very significant to nintendo (and i doubt their producers are begging for spots) or the franchises are fairly significant to nintendo but the have no main character or anything close. no sort of mascot character that appears on the box, no character that you are forced to play with at all, no character that seems very important compared to the rest of them. anyway, i wouldnt usually make this sort of argument but this is 3rd party characters. there is only going to be 2-3 all together. they arent going to fill one of the 1-2 remaining spots with a random insignificant fighting character. you cant compare the significance of a character like mewtwo with a character like astoroth.

 

[dotdotdot!]

dotdotdot, this is what i think about fighting characters. either the franchises that have something close to a main character arent very significant to nintendo (and i doubt their producers are begging for spots) or the franchises are fairly significant to nintendo but the have no main character or anything close. no sort of mascot character that appears on the box, no character that you are forced to play with at all, no character that seems very important compared to the rest of them. anyway, i wouldnt usually make this sort of argument but this is 3rd party characters. there is only going to be 2-3 all together. they arent going to fill one of the 1-2 remaining spots with a random insignificant fighting character. you cant compare the significance of a character like mewtwo with a character like astoroth.

I must admit that Astoroth is a bad example for a character, but you can't so easily dismiss Ryu from Street Fighter, who is one of Capcom's most recognizable characters (Probably only second to Megaman in sheer recognition) Kyo or Ryo from the SNK Fighters, whose series is probably second only to Street Fighter in fighting game recognition (And might have even passed SF in Japan at this point) or even Liu Kang From Mortal Kombat, though that last one is unlikely (but not for the reason you think). You're just pulling rules out of thin air to justify your irrational dislike of a certain genre. You say that fighting characters are "Random" or "insignificant," but that's just not true. You just obviously haven't played, or don't pay enough attention to realize that Every Fighting game has story tiers in them that measure how important a character is to the overall fabric of the series. Take Street Fighter for example.

Ryu and M. Bison are foremost the most important, as Ryu is the champion of all of the Street Fighter tournaments, as well as being the Japanese fighter (Which makes him the Ethnocentric main character, the game being japanese after all), and M. Bison has emerged as the brains behind the entire operation of SF1 and 2.
They are closely followed by Chun li, as the token girl, looking for M. Bison, who murdered her father, and Ken, who is effectively the "Luigi" to Ryu's "Mario."
Peppered throughout the tier is then the lesser characters. Dhalsim, Zangief, Blanka, etc. From game to game, their importance changes and fluctuates, but the four characters at the top two spots are indisputably the main characters of the franchise, with Ryu being the king among them.

Now lets apply that to another Fighting game. Take Guilty Gear.
It is common sense to see that the game mostly concerns the implied rivalry between Sol Badguy, and Ky Kiske, and so they automatically take the top two spots, with Sol just edging Ky out as main character by being player 1's default character.
Next, are the villains, Justice, whose story is the main matter of the games what with the Gear uprising and all that. Dizzy, while not technically a villain, is where much of the conflict in the XX games stems, so she deserves a place here. I-no would also share a spot here, as she is the "Final Boss" of GGXX, though she doesn't seem to be as important.
Then, the legions of other characters file down, with the plot-heavy stories (Bridget, Potemkin, Anji) ranking higher, and the more isolated stories (Eddie, Faust, Axl) ranking lower.

You can basically see if you pay enough attention that Fighting games usually have sprawling stories, with characters who are head and shoulders above any of the others in the game, especially ones like Street Fighter and Guilty Gear, and Even Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat(Which has a humoungous mythos surrounding it), and Tekken. You can't just put on horse blinders and say "There is no main character, for It forces me to choose between characters." Thats just narrow-minded, and defeats the purpose of speculation. (Yes, Speculation, I know we're not choosing which characters to put into smash, we're just giving fun ideas. or at least trying to.)

Seriously.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

Agreed with dotdotdot! that fighting games have storylines... Though, one thing you kinda forgot... Every fighting game storyline involves some sort of tournament... This doesn't implied to doujin fighting games like Eternal Fighter Zero, Melty Blood, etc...

As for Astaroth chances in SSBB, its very slim... The most likely character from SC to appear would be Nightmare... He is basically the base of the story since he forever wields Soul Edge and if you done your history projects, the first SC game was actually known as "Soul Edge"...

Though, if Astaroth was actually considered to appear in SSBB, then we would go into the specifics on his features, his abilities, and his story...

~ He's large (Around maybe Donkey Kong's size...)
~ Wields large ax (Super long range...)
~ He's slow (Bigger the slower...)
~ Fighting style is towards realistic... Only thing non realistic is his ax sparking flames, lightning, and green stuff (Nice, more flame and lightning... Green stuff is kinda new...)
~ He's wears a half restraint mask and has his heart expose (Didn't Sakurai wants the E rating???)
~ His story is based on having a grudge against a nunchuck wielding nemisis and works for the devil (Again, E rating???)

So I'm guessing you want a large, slow, scary man wielding a flaming/electrical ax trying to fly swat a Jigglypuff... Sure, we could use some of those...

 

[dotdotdot!]

Agreed with dotdotdot! that fighting games have storylines... Though, one thing you kinda forgot... Every fighting game storyline involves some sort of tournament... This doesn't implied to doujin fighting games like Eternal Fighter Zero, Melty Blood, etc...

Well, yeah. I said fighting games have stories, sprawling stories even, but I never said the stories had to be good or original.

Plus, there are usually games within a series that don't involve tournaments. The Alpha series in street fighter is basically all of the characters from SF1 and 2 dinking around between tournaments. Mortal Kombat 3 is less of a Tournament and more of a free-for-all.

 

[xianfeng]

If Namco gets a slot I can garuntee you it will go to Pacman, I have no idea who this guy is.

 

[RVD_fan]

Ignore this, posting problems

 

[RVD_fan]

So I'm guessing you want a large, slow, scary man wielding a flaming/electrical ax trying to fly swat a Jigglypuff... Sure, we could use some of those...

Totally what I had in mind

 

[courte]

your page in the first post cannot be read, therefore i can discern no strong support for this character--no reason for his inclusion listed

 

[Tlaloc]

I agree that someone from Soul Calibur needs to be on Brawl; but I really don't hope it to be Astaroth.