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Astaroth 4 brawl

shadenexus18

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Astaroth huh, yeah, playing as a dude with an huge axe/sledgehammer would be new. I'm all for it. Besides, Namco was nice enough to let Link on Soul Calibur II so why can't they let a Soul Calibur character on SSBB? Personally, I want to see Kilik though.
 

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My SC list would go:
1.Mitsurugi (He's been in all of them, and he's teh coolest XD)
2.Talim (eh, that's a personal fav from SCII)
3.Siegfred//Nightmare
4.Astaroth

But then again, I don't see it happening... Fighters from another fighting game seem to just be wierd choices for Brawl, but I would love to be wrong in this case = D
 

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Smash brothers needs a fighting charater. Smash represents mascots from all genres including racing, side scrolling, strategy games, role playing games, shooting games, etc,. Fighting is unrepresented. I personally would pick Scorpion from MK to represent this category, but I know it is a very long shot. But someone should fill in the gap.
 

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brawl doesnt need 3rd party fighting characters. it needs 3rd party main characters. seeing that fighting games dont really have main characters, they're a bad source for brawl characters. anyway, we dont need a representative for something minor such as game genres. whats next? a representative of a particular game rating?
 

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Snake has the M rating covered, Samus has the T, Mario has the E....we need someone from an AO rated game >.>
 

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brawl doesnt need 3rd party fighting characters. it needs 3rd party main characters. seeing that fighting games dont really have main characters, they're a bad source for brawl characters.
Street Fighter's Main Character: Ryu

SNK's main character: Kyo or Ryo

Mortal Kombat's main character: Liu Kang

Soul Calibur's Main Character: Kilik

Tekken's Main Character: Jin Kazama
 

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Street Fighter's Main Character: Ryu
and how significant is SF to nintendo? the chances of an SF character appearing in brawl sound... extremely low. besides, SF has more than 1 main character.
SNK's main character: Kyo or Ryo
the main character. there cant be 2. besides, insignificant to nintendo?
Mortal Kombat's main character: Liu Kang
not officially?
Soul Calibur's Main Character: Kilik
ehhh... no, he isnt
Tekken's Main Character: Jin Kazama
hmmm... why he isnt the special guest tekken representative? wasnt in the first and second game. he isnt exactly a main character.
ehhhhh.... im tired...
 

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Ever since Jin Kazama stepped on to the scene of Tekken, he gave Tekken that "spark" that they so desperately needed. Maybe not the most popular character of Tekken, but he has definately earned his spot as the central main character. C'mon, did you even see the new trailers to Tekken 6?
 

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brawl doesnt need 3rd party fighting characters. it needs 3rd party main characters. seeing that fighting games dont really have main characters, they're a bad source for brawl characters. anyway, we dont need a representative for something minor such as game genres. whats next? a representative of a particular game rating?
The fighting character doesn't have to be from a third party. And fighting games are not really a minor genre. In fact many non fighting games have a battle mode just to appease this rather large crowd that enjoys a good fighting game.

Plus a fighting character would add to the unique and varied cast of Smash Brothers.
 

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No. Astoroth isn't even the most well known character from the series. Aside from that, using fighting game characters for a fighting game spin-off is stupid (that goes for Mortal Kombat, too). Finally, I'd rather have the guy from Project HAMMER than a random third party character, seeing as their movesets would probably be similar (big Hammer = Big Axe).
 

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Street Fighter's Main Character: Ryu
and how significant is SF to nintendo? the chances of an SF character appearing in brawl sound... extremely low. besides, SF has more than 1 main character.
To be fair, Metal Gear isn't very important to Nintendo(Ninty has only ever gotten ports, or non-canon spinoffs, never mainline games, and several of the games have never come to Nintendo), but Snake still got in.

SNK's main character: Kyo or Ryo
the main character. there cant be 2. besides, insignificant to nintendo?
Once again, that's sort of Moot. At this point, Metal Gear has 3 different main character to the series, as does the Earthbound series and Pokemon's main character (The trainer) hasn't even been represented in Smash.

Mortal Kombat's main character: Liu Kang
not officially?
Yes officially, Liu Kang was the canon winner of every Mortal Kombat game, and was oficially the main character. Thats why when he was "killed" in MK:D, it was such a big deal.

Soul Calibur's Main Character: Kilik
ehhh... no, he isnt
You're right, That honor would probably more go to Sophitia, Siegfried, or Taki (Who were in the original game). I don't know enough about the series, to be honest.

Tekken's Main Character: Jin Kazama
hmmm... why he isnt the special guest tekken representative? wasnt in the first and second game. he isnt exactly a main character.
Then who is Tekken's main character? I don't know Tekken.

So yes, Fighting games have main characters, and those are the characters most likely to be chosen.
 

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Guys, games don't need a single protagonist. Ephraim and Eirika much? I personally think that The Sacred Stones worked very well with that combo. BTW, this thread is for whether Astaroth should be in Brawl and why, not what characters you want. Personally, I think that with a little creativity he could be made to fit, but that his 3rd party slot would be given to a better fitting character like Sonic or Geno.
 

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To be fair, Metal Gear isn't very important to Nintendo(Ninty has only ever gotten ports, or non-canon spinoffs, never mainline games, and several of the games have never come to Nintendo), but Snake still got in.
metal gear had its first game on a nintendo console and its creator begged for snake to be in SSB. you cant compare snake with other 3rd party characters. no other companies are begging for their characters to be in brawl, are they?
Once again, that's sort of Moot. At this point, Metal Gear has 3 different main character to the series, as does the Earthbound series and Pokemon's main character (The trainer) hasn't even been represented in Smash.
nope... the MAIN character. kind of like... the mascot of the franchise. ness is for EB, red is for pkmn, i've never played MGS.
Yes officially, Liu Kang was the canon winner of every Mortal Kombat game, and was oficially the main character. Thats why when he was "killed" in MK:D, it was such a big deal.
if he was killed, he isnt the main character because he is dead.
You're right, That honor would probably more go to Sophitia, Siegfried, or Taki (Who were in the original game). I don't know enough about the series, to be honest.
nope. the closest thing to a main character in SC is nightmare, but like all fighting games, SC doesnt have a main character that you are forced to play with regularly.
Then who is Tekken's main character? I don't know Tekken.
tekken doesnt have a main character like alot of fighting games.
So yes, Fighting games have main characters, and those are the characters most likely to be chosen.
ehhh? no, a fighting genre character is not compulsary and no, fighting games dont have main characters. main character: link, samus, mario. the character that you are forced to play with. fighting games dont force you to play with any characters, so they dont have main characters. thats like sayign SSBM has a main character. it doesnt. each character is sort of like a main character, so you cant count any of them as a main character. the only thing that judges what characters are main characters in fighting games if your preferity.
 

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nope. the closest thing to a main character in SC is nightmare, but like all fighting games, SC doesnt have a main character that you are forced to play with regularly.
Just for clarity, Nightmare IS Siegfreid, Seigfreid is Nightmare. He noted Siegfreid as one of the most likely characters in Brawl, so that part of your post is pretty much useless. Although I will admit, it is arguable that Xianghua is closer to being the main character than Nightmare. But why all this talk about main characters? Does SSBM have only main characters? I would say that Pikachu is the main character of the Pokemon games, but they've got 4 others in there, one of which is only truly relevant to the anime and the other only got his own little short in a movie. Is Luigi a main character? No. Is Dr. mario a main character? No. Is Metaknight a main character? No. However, they have all been/will be in SSB games. Being a main character is not required for being admitted into an SSB game. If you're good enough to fit into it and they've got enough space, they'll let you in.

EDIT: LOL, your sig contradicts your arguments, Fierce Oni.
 

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Just for clarity, Nightmare IS Siegfreid, Seigfreid is Nightmare. He noted Siegfreid as one of the most likely characters in Brawl, so that part of your post is pretty much useless. Although I will admit, it is arguable that Xianghua is closer to being the main character than Nightmare. But why all this talk about main characters? Does SSBM have only main characters? I would say that Pikachu is the main character of the Pokemon games, but they've got 4 others in there, one of which is only truly relevant to the anime and the other only got his own little short in a movie. Is Luigi a main character? No. Is Dr. mario a main character? No. Is Metaknight a main character? No. However, they have all been/will be in SSB games. Being a main character is not required for being admitted into an SSB game. If you're good enough to fit into it and they've got enough space, they'll let you in.

EDIT: LOL, your sig contradicts your arguments, Fierce Oni.
eh... you should have read the first post i made on this topic. 3rd party characters have to be main characters to be characters. there is only going to be 2-3 3rd party characters all together. they arent going to fill those spaces with undeserving non-main characters. there isnt any space for them.
 

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I was just pointing out that you can't refer to Metal Gear on the NES as a counter-example to dotdotdot's "All Nintendo has gotten are ports" argument.
 

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eh... you should have read the first post i made on this topic. 3rd party characters have to be main characters to be characters. there is only going to be 2-3 3rd party characters all together. they arent going to fill those spaces with undeserving non-main characters. there isnt any space for them.
Yup, and Dragonite is totally deserving of one of those spots. Why don't I just steal the game as they have it now and not be able to play it before they come up with the bright idea of putting Dragonite in the game?
 

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I was just pointing out that you can't refer to Metal Gear on the NES as a counter-example to dotdotdot's "All Nintendo has gotten are ports" argument.
ehhh... whatever i dont really care. the first console that an MG game was on was a nintendo one. even if whatever, the creator still begged for him to be in SSB, unlike other 3rd party character creators. that sets him apart from the other 3rd party characters.
Yup, and Dragonite is totally deserving of one of those spots. Why don't I just steal the game as they have it now and not be able to play it before they come up with the bright idea of putting Dragonite in the game?
ermmm... go ahead?
 

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I suppose you haven't looked up the word "sarcasm" recently.

EDIT: Sorry about this, I'm in a vile mood right now. Please don't count what I'm saying against me.
 

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I suppose you haven't looked up the word "sarcasm" recently.
even though i knew you were being sarcastic, i still couldnt understand what you meant... "why shouldnt i steal the game in its development stages but not play the unfinished version until the developers get the idea of putting a certain character in the unfinished game?" good question...
 

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even though i knew you were being sarcastic, i still couldnt understand what you meant... "why shouldnt i steal the game in its development stages but not play the unfinished version until the developers get the idea of putting a certain character in the unfinished game?" good question...
I really don't know the answer to that one. Maybe because it's worded like crap, who knows. Bad moods tend to lower peoples' intelligence quite a bit, did you know that?
 

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Woah, I didn't mean to cause all this 3rd party arguing. I just think Astaroth is the coolest SC character, and he would have a new and original fighting style. Imagine the possible match-ups:

Astaroth vs Ganondorf
Astaroth vs Mewtwo
Astaroth vs Bowser
Astaroth vs Link, Etc
 
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