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Ashley? WTF?

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leprechaunlink727

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I'm beginning to see a trend. One likely character is deconfirmed as an AT, and is quickly replaced in Smashers minds by someone rediculously far-fetched. Feel free to argue with me.

Lyn Deconfirmed= MICAIAH FOR BRAWL!

Little Mac Deconfirmed= SUKAPON FOR BRAWL!

Samurai Goroh Deconfirmed= TAKAMARU FOR BRAWL!

Waluigi Deconfirmed= ASHLEY FOR BRAWL! HUH?

Changing your mind after a deconfirmation does not make your new favorites anymore likely to show up.

Micaiah seems cool, but people have just started supporting her, and its a little late for Sakurai to be adding characters.

Sukapon would be interesting, and he was on the poll, but no Americans even mentioned him until other more popular cantidates got the boot.

The same goes for Takamaru, who wouldn't be as interesting as Sukapon, as despite his "Katana", he's just another blue-haired swordsman.

And finally, Ashley. Her theme is one of the selectable themes for Wario's stage. But come on. There's really only one character who deserved to fight side by side with wario, and that was Waluigi. Ashley is a very minor character, and I think most of her supporters have never actually played the Warioware games. My idea is that all of the Warioware character themesongs will be available in My Music. Even more detrimental to her chances is the fact that Nintendo was accused of encouraging satanism by placing Ashley (a witch) into the Wario games. Their argument holds no more weight then the ones against Harry Potter, but do you really think Nintendo would risk another controversy just to put such a minor character in Smash? Probably not.

I'm not saying any of these characters won't be in the game, I just think its too late to start pulling characters out of thin air to fill roster spots that should have belonged to other guys. Who knows, maybe downloadable characters will be made available, and the deconfirmed characters and their successors will all be playable.

Finally, tingle. his absence from most people's prediction rosters is understandable, but wrong. I'm sorry guys, but he has a 90% chance of being in the game. I know that Americans hate him, but sadly, he probably is first in line for zelda newcomer, well in front of Midna and WW Link.

Maybe my timeline is off, but I'm just noticing a trend that needs to be pointed out. My arguments aren't the strongest, as i'm sure will point out, but jsust consider this.

Stop pressuring sakurai to add random placeholders, and support more constructive ideas like Downloadble content, if you're as in denial as I am about certain deconfirmations. And start accepting that not every character who makes it will be your favorit, as millions of other people do not hold the same opinions as you, and sakurai is diligently trying to appease us all. This goes for Tingle, and in many cases Geno and **R!dl3y**. Who are popular tomany and hated by few. Or in Tingle's case, popular to japan and Europe, hated by us.
 

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Simply put:Ashley is a minor character for a minor franchise.Also she wasnt on Sakurais poll.

Theres no way shes going to make it.
 

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Skapon had support before Little Mac was revealed as an Assist Trophy. I can't speak for the others, though.
 

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I'll let other people resond to this post as a whole and I'll just comment on the Tingle part. Tingle was shown in the Trophy Update and considering how careful Sakurai has been with characters and revealing things, it's extremelly unlikely that Tingle iis playable. Because of this early unveilment, it's more then likely that Tingle is an AT. This is also backed up by how Tingle didn't appear in Sakurai's journal along with other ATs like Lyn, Goroh, Waluigi, and Saki despite their obvious popularity.
 

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The only one that's true here is Micaiah (I know, I'm one of them) and possibly Sukapon.

Takamaru was around even before the DOJO!! started.

Ashley's popularity actually came from the Ashley's Theme music update.
 

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I know I can't keep you from wanting who you want in Brawl. just make sure you really want them first, or if you just need something to fill the void left by characters that you really wanted.

Second of all, the title was misleading, this thread is not about Ashley, she's just the most extreme example of what I've been noticing.

Third of all, I realized the Tingle part kind of turned this into a joke thread. Whoops. Sorry Machete, I Just wanted more weight to the argument, and I figured you guys hated him less because they released his spin-off there. in that case, japan likes him, Europe doesn't mind him? And America hates him. Regardless, I still think Tingle will be playable. I posted a counter-argument to the trophy deconfirmation on the Tingle for Brawl! Thread, I'll repost it here if you want me too. but it might just be easier to find that thread, it's the second to last post I think.

If none of that correction raised your opinion of me, then yes, I am and idiot.
 

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The truth is neither Ashley nor Waluigi deserve to be playable. Both of them are basically in the same boat. They are minor characters that at most will be ATs.

Those who didn't realize that with Waluigi got hit hard with the AT update. I don't know if Ashley will ever be updated as an AT (it'd be a great update. ^_^), but if she does get in anymore than a sticker or trophy she'll be an AT at most.
 

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The truth is neither Ashley nor Waluigi deserve to be playable. Both of them are basically in the same boat. They are minor characters that at most will be ATs.

Those who didn't realize that with Waluigi got hit hard with the AT update. I don't know if Ashley will ever be updated as an AT (it'd be a great update. ^_^), but if she does get in anymore than a sticker or trophy she'll be an AT at most.

What I meant is that of Wario's very minor ssupporting cast, waluigi deserved the brawl spot if one was given. The update hit me hard, as Waluigi is one of my favorites, but I kind of realized it was going to happen. Hopefully he'll get his own game someday, or at least appear in a platformer.
 

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And finally, Ashley. Her theme is one of the selectable themes for Wario's stage. But come on. There's really only one character who deserved to fight side by side with wario, and that was Waluigi. Ashley is a very minor character, and I think most of her supporters have never actually played the Warioware games. My idea is that all of the Warioware character themesongs will be available in My Music. Even more detrimental to her chances is the fact that Nintendo was accused of encouraging satanism by placing Ashley (a witch) into the Wario games. Their argument holds no more weight then the ones against Harry Potter, but do you really think Nintendo would risk another controversy just to put such a minor character in Smash? Probably not.
Huh, did you play a WarioWare game? Only a question.
And I know about people saying Nintendo would be satanism because of the secret message in her song. But I think most people forgot that.

And Ashley's hype was mainly before Waluigi's deconfirmation. It's getting lower nowadays.
(OK, Ashley is really the character who is the most overhyped on this board)
 

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The Little Mac-Sukapon one doesn't make much sense to me, but I supported Takamaru before Goroh even got deconfirmed. I'd prefer the classic Samurai to the fat one. Also, you're right about Tingle being in the game, but as a playable character? You can't really give a numerical percentage to any of these guys.
 

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Huh, did you play a WarioWare game? Only a question.
And I know about people saying Nintendo would be satanism because of the secret message in her song. But I think most people forgot that.

And Ashley's hype was mainly before Waluigi's deconfirmation. It's getting lower nowadays.
(OK, Ashley is really the character who is the most overhyped on this board)
yeah, i've played all of them and own Touched! and Smooth Moves, and I don't think any of the supporting cast deserves a Brawl spot. And yet Ashley is being overhyped as you said. And I was only comparing Ashley and Waluigi because of their relation to Wario, not because one necessarily replaced the other, although she started showing up around that time, maybe a little before.
 

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Maybe I'm just out of the loop. I'd never heard of takamaru until like a month ago. And Sukapon and Little Mac are both from "Fighting Games", although I use that term loosely for both of them. Maybe saying each character specifically replaced another was wrong, but the basic point is people need to stop beefing up their rosters with characters they don't truly want.
 

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yeah, i've played all of them and own Touched! and Smooth Moves, and I don't think any of the supporting cast deserves a Brawl spot. And yet Ashley is being overhyped as you said. And I was only comparing Ashley and Waluigi because of their relation to Wario, not because one necessarily replaced the other, although she started showing up around that time, maybe a little before.
I was just confused a little bit confused about your Waluigi statement.

The biggest hype was after the release of her music. The topic exploded. It had 1 post before and ~2000 posts soon.

Most likely there won't be a WarioWare character in Brawl. You're right.
 

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I regret putting the characters on a one-to-one replacement basis. But I don't think Micaiah, Sukapon, and Ashley would be as heavily supported were it not for the deconfirmation of more popular choices. I guess I was wrong about Takamaru, i read bbALLSTAR23's "Unbias character roster", and now I kind of support him. Putting Takamaru, I fell into the trap I thought I had avoided by not saying Claus was replacing Ness.
 

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Why? I think it's just because of the fact that no Wario Ware characters were mentioned in Sakurai's journal and it's hard to decide which character out of Wario's friends is the most important. Jimmy T and Mona are the front runners because they've appeared in all the games but, outside of the instruction manuals saying that Mona is "second in command", I'd still consider it a hard choice to make. Personally, I think Jimmy T has more move possibilities but... Regardless, these factors place Ashley behind several people in terms of who's deserving of a spot when it comes to Wario Ware characters.
 

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Ashley's popularity came from her song
Sukapon has always had a somewhat small following and hasn't grown much
Takamaru is a lot like Sukapon only with morfe followers

So yeah, Micaiah is the only one I see this happening to.
 

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I dont see what the big deal with Ashley is anyways... Ive played quite a few WarioWare games (theyre awesome) and I hate ashlley as a character. I have no idea why people think shes so great, I mean she really is just a minor character from WarioWare.

The only character from that series worthy of being in Brawl is, of course, wario.
 

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I was supporting Micaiah before Lyn's deconfirmation, due to the fact that Micaiah was much more likely. Unlike Lyn, Micaiah was the main character in her game. (Though her thunder did get sorta stolen by Ike). Additionally there's the fact that she's completely different from the previous FE reps we've had. I will admit though, that her supporters did grow when Lyn got deconfirmed. =/

Little Mac and Sukapon never seemed to effecct each other, so I don't know what that's about.

Goroh really brought about more Black Shadow supporters...but more than that, it made more people believe that there would be no more F-Zero characters. Takamaru also being a samurai is just a coincidence, and I don't think fans of Goroh went to him.

Ashley got a surge when her theme music came about, not when Waluigi got deconfirmed. And heck, if you thought that Waluigi would be a Wario series character, tehn you'd be mistaken. He had one cameo in one microgame and that's it. He was a Mario character made for sports filler, and the fact that he had a mushroom logo means that Sakurai knew that.
 
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