Mario Universe Are you tired of the RPG characters getting ignored in Kart, Party, and sports spinoffs?

[Quillion]

Especially considering that instead of giving consideration to the different forms of Mario and Peach (Baby Mario, Metal Mario, Raccoon Mario, and oddly NOT Dr. Mario) in Mario Kart 8. It's getting tiring since the RPGs have such a huge fan following and they're doing their best to ignore some of these well-loved characters.

Of course, there's Geno and his incredibly rabid fanbase, but I personally don't like him particularly more than any of the other RPG characters. But I still want him along with all the other RPG characters to actually get recognized by the greater Mario franchise instead of being left to rot and be forgotten.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Well of course. There are tons of characters who deserved to be in over the babies and metal forms in Mario Kart 8. I mean...is it hard to add King Boo, Dixie, Diddy, Birdo, Dry Bones, Bowser Jr, and Funky? Probably not

 

[Quillion]

Well of course. There are tons of characters who deserved to be in over the babies and metal forms in Mario Kart 8. I mean...is it hard to add King Boo, Dixie, Diddy, Birdo, Dry Bones, Bowser Jr, and Funky? Probably not

At least with the the babies and other Marios, they can recycle models and animations. Saves a lot of time.

 

[Geno Boost]

nintendo are too lazy to make a 3d model for a chraracter from RPG game look at the lazy chractars that we got in sports kart party games the only character from RPG game that made it into the main seires was goomboss (king goomba)

 

[finalark]

The Star Spirits from Paper Mario 1 showed up in Mario Party 5.

And that's about it.

It would be interesting to see some of the Paper Mario characters show up as playable racers in Mario Kart, but I'm not entirely sure the shift to a more realistic art style would being doing them favors.

 

[Quillion]

The Star Spirits from Paper Mario 1 showed up in Mario Party 5.

And that's about it.

It would be interesting to see some of the Paper Mario characters show up as playable racers in Mario Kart, but I'm not entirely sure the shift to a more realistic art style would being doing them favors.

At least one person has tried:

 

[Shog]

Why only Paper Mario?
What about the superior M&L series? Cackletta, Fawful would also be great options

 

[Quillion]

Why only Paper Mario?
What about the superior M&L series? Cackletta, Fawful would also be great options

The original Super Mario RPG goes to the bathroom on both series.

 

[Shog]

The original didn't age well and is honestly a lacking game. I tried it once recently and ... well... it was a disappointing experience.

Edit: Just want to share this opinion because I am not surprised (tbh) that there aren't SMRPG representation nowadays.

 

[finalark]

The original didn't age well and is honestly a lacking game. I tried it once recently and ... well... it was a disappointing experience.

I haven't played Mario RPG, but I'm not surprised that it's more nostalgia than quality at this point.

Why only Paper Mario?
What about the superior M&L series? Cackletta, Fawful would also be great options

I've only played the Paper Mario series =/

 

[Quillion]

The original didn't age well and is honestly a lacking game. I tried it once recently and ... well... it was a disappointing experience.

Edit: Just want to share this opinion because I am not surprised (tbh) that there aren't SMRPG representation nowadays.

I haven't played Mario RPG, but I'm not surprised that it's more nostalgia than quality at this point.

It is NOT just nostalgia.

The game has an awesome art style that had various unique enemy and character designs and it looked better than most N64 and even PS1 games released around the time (since it was released at the end of the SNES'S life).

Battles are epic. They involve flashy animations along with Timed Hits in order to make them more involving and fun.

The characters are memorable. The heroes have the cute cloud Black Mage Mallow and the badass doll Geno, while Bowser gains his famous goofy overlord characterization while Peach is much more active and even jokey about her usual situation. The Smithy Gang are all memorable too.

 

[Heroine of Winds]

I blame Square Enix for not letting Geno in anymore Mario games since they own the character. It'll be nice if someone like Goombella, Dimentio, or Ms. Mowz be in Mario Kart or another game. They're more deserving than a bunch of freaky looking babies and metal versions of Mario & Peach.

 

[LancerStaff]

As somebody who's beaten all the RPGs, I'm going to say no. The RPG characters are RPG characters and should stay in their separate Mario universes. MK8's roster problems are completely separate from not including RPG characters.

 

[Quillion]

As somebody who's beaten all the RPGs, I'm going to say no. The RPG characters are RPG characters and should stay in their separate Mario universes. MK8's roster problems are completely separate from not including RPG characters.

Considering the RPG characters are treated with the same level of respect as the Wario sub franchise, I'd think it's really unfair. At least I can very slightly understand the Wario cast not fitting in with the greater Mario franchise, but the RPG characters already appear in a game that has Mario's name on it, so it doesn't work.

 

[LancerStaff]

Considering the RPG characters are treated with the same level of respect as the Wario sub franchise, I'd think it's really unfair. At least I can very slightly understand the Wario cast not fitting in with the greater Mario franchise, but the RPG characters already appear in a game that has Mario's name on it, so it doesn't work.

Not even Mario is the same... Paper Mario is kind of a jerk and M&L Mario is really goofy.

 

[TimeSmash]

While there are some characters that would probably never make it in like pretty much any OC from Super Mario RPG (Geno was in one of the Mario and Luigi games in a minigame which probably took tons of convincing from SquareEnix) there are plenty of other characters it wouldn't be hard to make, like Bow or Sushie or the Goomba partners. Those could have regular enemies used as a base model with alterations to make them look like the chacrater and belong to Nintendo, so I don't see why that would be such a big deal

 

[Twewy]

The original Super Mario RPG goes to the bathroom on both series.

Its original characters are also copyrighted by Square-Enix, and your thread is about why the RPG characters aren't in spin-offs. I guess the best answer is the RPG series are more self-contained, and with at least Paper Mario you have to worry about the clash in separate art-styles.

The Star Spirits from Paper Mario 1 showed up in Mario Party 5.

And that's about it.

Funnily enough, Gomboss from Paper Mario 1 also came back, in 64 DS and Kart DS. Other than Koopatrols in that pinball game that's actually just about it, yeah...

It is NOT just nostalgia.

The game has an awesome art style that had various unique enemy and character designs and it looked better than most N64 and even PS1 games released around the time (since it was released at the end of the SNES'S life).

Battles are epic. They involve flashy animations along with Timed Hits in order to make them more involving and fun.

The characters are memorable. The heroes have the cute cloud Black Mage Mallow and the badass doll Geno, while Bowser gains his famous goofy overlord characterization while Peach is much more active and even jokey about her usual situation. The Smithy Gang are all memorable too.

It's a good game, but you're exaggerating a bit in places. The battle bit of your argument can be applied to both Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi, because both series do that exact same thing. I enjoyed the original designs by Square's team, but I feel most don't really mesh well with the Mario series.

 

[Tino]

Not really. Characters from RPG Mario games should stay in RPG Mario games.

 

[Geno Boost]

Not really. Characters from RPG Mario games should stay in RPG Mario games.

this is not a good idea some RPG characters has fans if we dont let them appear in a spinoff games they might be dead forever because in every new RPG game everything change and alot of characters disappear

 

[Wintermelon43]

But aren't they not allowed to even put them in without permission?

 

[Twewy]

But aren't they not allowed to even put them in without permission?

Square-Enix holds copyright on the original characters in Super Mario RPG. That kind of thing starts lawsuits.

 

[Quillion]

Not really. Characters from RPG Mario games should stay in RPG Mario games.

I could argue that the Donkey Kong Country characters should stay in Donkey Kong Country. I could argue that the Baby characters should stay in Yoshi.

But those two things didn't happen (albeit, they've started to miss the whole point of the Baby characters in recent times).

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

(albeit, they've started to miss the whole point of the Baby characters in recent times).

Agreed, bringing back all four babies and creating a new one for Mario Kart 8 while leaving out characters like Diddy and Bowser Jr. was a stupid decision. Although I still think that Metal Mario and Pink Gold Peach are even worse choices.

 

[Tino]

I could argue that the Donkey Kong Country characters should stay in Donkey Kong Country. I could argue that the Baby characters should stay in Yoshi.

But those two things didn't happen (albeit, they've started to miss the whole point of the Baby characters in recent times).

That's a good point though they didn't come from Mario RPG games still.

Agreed, bringing back all four babies and creating a new one for Mario Kart 8 while leaving out characters like Diddy and Bowser Jr. was a stupid decision. Although I still think that Metal Mario and Pink Gold Peach are even worse choices.

Pink Gold Peach was the worst thing that has ever happened. Hell, she's even worse than Ebola if I have to be honest. And Baby Rosalina's existence absolutely ruined who Rosalina really is as a character. Having a baby counterpart of herself was completely unnecessary.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

That's a good point though they didn't come from Mario RPG games still.

Pink Gold Peach was the worst thing that has ever happened. Hell, she's even worse than Ebola if I have to be honest. And Baby Rosalina's existence absolutely ruined who Rosalina really is as a character. Having a baby counterpart of herself was completely unnecessary.

I really though there couldn't be worse new character choices than Baby Daisy, Metal Mario and Honey Queen and a worse character roster than in Mario Kart 7... then Mario Kart 8 was released (30 characters, of which 5 are babies, 2 carbon copies and 7 Koopalings... seriously?).

 

[Tino]

I really though there couldn't be worse new character choices than Baby Daisy, Metal Mario and Honey Queen and a worse character roster than in Mario Kart 7... then Mario Kart 8 was released (30 characters, of which 5 are babies, 2 carbon copies and 7 Koopalings... seriously?).

I thought Mario Kart 7's roster was bad (the fat bee, of course), Mario Kart 8's roster definitely took the crown for having the worst roster in the series. I'm not very fond of the baby characters and the Koopalings either. The metal characters are no exception. And if you count the DLCs, we even have Mario and Peach in Halloween costumes...

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I thought Mario Kart 7's roster was bad (the fat bee, of course), Mario Kart 8's roster definitely took the crown for having the worst roster in the series. I'm not very fond of the baby characters and the Koopalings either. The metal characters are no exception. And if you count the DLCs, we even have Mario and Peach in Halloween costumes...

Nintendo really knows what Mario Kart 8 roster needed... fourth versions of Mario and Peach. I liked Link and the AC characters however... I think they should scrap Mario Kart and start making Nintendo All-Stars Racing.

 

[Tino]

Nintendo really knows what Mario Kart 8 roster needed... fourth versions of Mario and Peach. I liked Link and the AC characters however... I think they should scrap Mario Kart and start making Nintendo All-Stars Racing.

Link and the Animal Crossing characters are the only real new characters in the game.
A Nintendo racing game in the style of Smash Bros. would be a great idea.

 

[Twewy]

Hell she's even worse than Ebola if I have to be honest.

You're joking, right? You did not just compare a poor roster choice to a disease that actually impacts human lives and were completely serious, right?

I agree though that there were too many babies, and that the Metal characters were unneeded. I can't say I'm fond of the choices for DLC, but I like the addition of the Koopalings. I'd play 'em, mostly Roy, if I had a Wii U.

 

[Tino]

You're joking, right? You did not just compare a poor roster choice to a disease that actually impacts human lives and were completely serious, right?

I agree though that there were too many babies, and that the Metal characters were unneeded. I can't say I'm fond of the choices for DLC, but I like the addition of the Koopalings. I'd play 'em, mostly Roy, if I had a Wii U.

I'm surprised you took it seriously.

 

[Twewy]

I'm surprised you took it seriously.

You'd be very surprised what is and isn't sarcasm on the Internet. I'm just glad you weren't serious.

 

[Tino]

You'd be very surprised what is and isn't sarcasm on the Internet. I'm just glad you weren't serious.

Still doesn't change my opinion on Pink Gold Peach being the worst thing that's ever happened though.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

It's honesty disappointing that Fawful hasn't been playable yet. Heck, Fawful should start appearing in the main games too, but that won't ever happen.
... Although the Paper Mario cast should stay in their own games. That honestly would look strange, seeing a 2-D Mario driving around.

 

[Quillion]

You'd be very surprised what is and isn't sarcasm on the Internet. I'm just glad you weren't serious.

You know what I want, though? If they're going to introduce alternate versions of Mario and Peach, they should acknowledge the other spinoffs like Mario Strikers and Dr. Mario.

 

[Twewy]

Or we could, you know, not have anymore Marios or Peaches. You'd think they would add Captain Falcon after all this F-Zero stuff.

EDIT: You're not calling me butthurt, are you?

 

[DjinnandTonic]

Nintendo AllStars Racing is the greatest idea I have heard all week. Why are we still talking about anything else?

 

[Quillion]

Nintendo AllStars Racing is the greatest idea I have heard all week. Why are we still talking about anything else?

Mario RPG characters aren't exactly "all stars", you know? They're far more important to their home franchise than to Nintendo in general.

 

[Twewy]

Mario RPG characters aren't exactly "all stars", you know? They're far more important to their home franchise than to Nintendo in general.

There were posts in here humoring the idea, yo.

 

[GreenKirby]

If it's anything like the SEGA Superstar franchise, it'll have a crapload of Mario characters and only one character for every other franchise.

And as for Nintendo not using better characters for Mario Kart: There really is no excuse to not have Wario characters. Ashley, Mona, Kat, and Anna all have 3D models.

And say what you will about Honey Queen. At least she is her own character (unlike the babies and metals) and a Mario character (unlike Link and the AC cast)

And where's Plessie, ****it?

 

[finalark]

If it's anything like the SEGA Superstar franchise, it'll have a crapload of Mario characters and only one character for every other franchise.

I'm still a tad salty that Ryo got cut from Transformed.

At least we got Vyse to make up that for that.