Arceus, the God of Pokémon, for Brawl! V2.1! A.R.C.E.U.S. Group GO!

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Oh, yeah, and Arceus is a god. He doesn't NEED arms to grab stuff. I mean, come on. If you were a god, you'd sit on your *** all day, and use your powers to do stuff for you. Because you can.

So by that logic Arceus should be able to snap his one thousand non-existant fingers and win the match just like that.

 

[SJAK47]

No, but in the case of special event Pokemon like Arceus, yes they do. We only know of Arceus because it's been hacked. They haven't acknowledged Arceus or Shaymin at all, so unless Nintendo plans on unveiling them in someway before Brawl's Japanese release, then don't expect to see either of them in Brawl.

I kind of agree with this statement. Arceus, as appreciated as it may be in the Pokemon series, may not be used as a playable character the way he is now. Someone mentioned acquiring an Azure Flute within the game (by unlocking it and being able to transfer it via Mystery Gift) or by buying the game (perhaps through limited editions), and I think that may be the best way for Arceus to have an impact in Brawl and Pokemon players. He needs the recognition before being selected into a massive Nintendo project, like Brawl. Mewtwo had plenty of time before Melee was released and there was no rush to include Mewtwo.

What I am saying is that Arceus is only popular because he's hard to acquire, has 120 base stats across the board and is known as the God Pokemon. Most likely, if Arceus makes it to Brawl, it'll be out of the Pokeball using Judgment to inflict massive damage within a certain range of the field.

And furthermore, I always thought that Mew was pretty popular but it was always unobtainable until later on with the tickets.

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

ARE YOU INSANE!!!


my arceus PWND an entire team of legendarys by itself!



mew could NEVER beat arceus!

It could, by transforming itself into Arceus itself.

 

[adumbrodeus]

So by that logic Arceus should be able to snap his one thousand non-existant fingers and win the match just like that.

You mean his cannonically existant 1000 arms, but yeah, pretty much, mewtwo is similar in that reguard.


Of course we can expect Arcus to be nerfed in brawl, but it makes little sense to nerf a character to the point where he is unusable, and then claim that the character is unusable. Instead, you nerf the character in a the manner required to maintain balance (or at least what you think will make it balanced).

Don't expect them to randomly nerf a character in their heads using smashboards created rules and decide against inclusion for that reason, that's just a foolish expectation. The character has the capacity to grab and do all the other requisit mechanics, we'll leave the smash team to decide and figure out the rest, ok?

K, but there won't be ten million chances. Right now we're on three, and that could be the last one.

Just in general, out of every one in a million chance, including but not limited to smash.

Smash’s rules are different from Pokémon’s. In Pokémon, you see a little animation of the Pokémon’s sprite moving forward a bit and then maybe the opposing Pokémon flashing to show it just got damaged. In Melee you actually need arms to use arm-related moves. And Mewtwo uses psychic powers to grab things, but it still involves his arms.

In pokemon, a pokemon does not learn a move naturally unless it has some way to execute it cannonically. (The TMs being stuff that one can theoretically stretch the pokemon to do).

That's why different pokemon learn different techniques in the first place, because obviously certain pokemon are incapible of performing certain techniques.



As for mewtwo, it's all just a visual thing, the actual grabbing occurs in his mind, so there is no real point to it besides making a visual, and if mewtwo had no arms, they wouldn't have bothered with it. But they're pointless as far as the grab itself is concerned because mewtwo never actually touches the opponent.



Thus another invented smashboard rule shown to be as flawed as it is.

 

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I am bumping this thread.

a GODLY bump.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Wow, way to make a R.I.D.L.E.Y. knock-off group name.

 

[:034:]

Wow, way to make a R.I.D.L.E.Y. knock-off group name.

Bite me.

 

[RobinotX]

I prefer Lucario. But this also would be a great idea though

 

[vesperview]

Wow, way to make a R.I.D.L.E.Y. knock-off group name.

QFT!

Spoiler

10char

 

[antimatter]

I see in my crystal ball... spam...spam everywhere... the moderators are pi$$ed off... the thread closes...

 

[Uchiha.Sanosuke]

Arceus really can't be in Smash Bros. because he's too godly. To use a very bad synonym (my brain's too fried to think of a good one), it's like having Chuck Norris in Brawl. Can you debunk that argument?

But yeah, he's pretty much the coolest Pokemon since Mewtwo...no doubt about that. Really nice moveset, too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Couldn't you have been more creative than simply copying RIDLEY?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Arceus really can't be in Smash Bros. because he's too godly. To use a very bad synonym (my brain's too fried to think of a good one), it's like having Chuck Norris in Brawl. Can you debunk that argument?

But yeah, he's pretty much the coolest Pokemon since Mewtwo...no doubt about that. Really nice moveset, too.

They nerfed metwo pretty nicely, why not him?


Actually, they did it too much to mewtwo, but we all know that.

 

[Uchiha.Sanosuke]

They nerfed metwo pretty nicely, why not him?


Actually, they did it too much to mewtwo, but we all know that.

Mmm, yeah, point taken.

Unnerfed Mewtwo for Brawl!

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Bite me.

Well you at least exceeded my expectations by actually making A.R.C.E.U.S stand for something.

By the way, great following you go there. One member (you), keep up the good work.

 

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Couldn't you have been more creative than simply copying RIDLEY?

No.

Hey front page!

 

[antimatter]

not for long...

 

[geemann2236]

Arceus should simply be in a Pokeball. He probably won't be a character simply because it does not make sense for him to be one. He's a HUGE pokemon on four legs. This is like saying that Lugia should be a character, or Dialga, or Ho-Oh, or Palkia, none of them are gonna be characters. Arceus being in a Pokeball is fine with me, but he is NOT going to be a playable character.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Arceus should simply be in a Pokeball. He probably won't be a character simply because it does not make sense for him to be one. He's a HUGE pokemon on four legs. This is like saying that Lugia should be a character, or Dialga, or Ho-Oh, or Palkia, none of them are gonna be characters. Arceus being in a Pokeball is fine with me, but he is NOT going to be a playable character.

Erm, yeah, smash characters have had their size increased and decreased to make them playable before, pokemon included.

Why not Arceus?

The same applies for every other character you mentioned.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Well I certainly admire you guys’ commitment to such a lost cause. Go down with the ship, I guess.

 

[platnum]

hmmmm...I will join A.R.C.E.U.S
IF you join the mog squad.



deal?kupo

 

[vesperview]

What part of huge legendaries can't be playable characters you people don't get? It's totally stupid to resize a legendary pokemon, there's a reason they are in the pokeballs to begin with, Mewtwo is the only legendary with playable character potential.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

What part of huge legendaries can't be playable characters you people don't get? It's totally stupid to resize a legendary pokemon, there's a reason they are in the pokeballs to begin with, Mewtwo is the only legendary with playable character potential.

Exactly. Arceus would look dinky if he was playable and a Suicune popped up next to him. That just makes no sense. If you (Flying Dutchman) want Arceus to conserve his grandeur and be the unstoppable force that he is, he would be better as an item like his other fellow Legendary beasts.

 

[deebz435]

Arceus would be awesome but I know it's not going to happen either way I like the support for him cause he is the God of all pokemon.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Well I certainly admire you guys’ commitment to such a lost cause. Go down with the ship, I guess.

Well, I wouldn't really call it commitment, because I doubt anyone here thinks that Arceus will end up in smash. There's definitely a non-zero chance, but it's a small one.

Still, it's fun to consider and would be awesome.

What part of huge legendaries can't be playable characters you people don't get? It's totally stupid to resize a legendary pokemon, there's a reason they are in the pokeballs to begin with, Mewtwo is the only legendary with playable character potential.

Smash resizes characters more then female models resize their breasts. Almost every character has been resized to some degree.

Think 6 foot 7 inches Mewtwo being less then half the height of pikachu, and if you compare mewtwo to the size of the pokeball item, yeah, that's not 6'7".....


Keep in mind the entire premise is that these characters are basically animated figurines. Figurines come in a variety of sizes, and the size they come in are based on the wants of the consumer, not the character's actual height, weight, etc.

Playable characters use about the same size figurine (the same "retail size", essentially the inches given based on the dimensions of the figurine, but aproximate), and thus it makes sense that Arceus' game size would be based off a figurine of the same retail size as the other characters included.


So yeah, it might make sense on paper that resizing would be bad, but that's actually how the premise of the game operates.

 

[vesperview]

Smash resizes characters more then female models resize their breasts. Almost every character has been resized to some degree.

Think 6 foot 7 inches Mewtwo being less then half the height of pikachu, and if you compare mewtwo to the size of the pokeball item, yeah, that's not 6'7".....


Keep in mind the entire premise is that these characters are basically animated figurines. Figurines come in a variety of sizes, and the size they come in are based on the wants of the consumer, not the character's actual height, weight, etc.

Playable characters use about the same size figurine (the same "retail size", essentially the inches given based on the dimensions of the figurine, but aproximate), and thus it makes sense that Arceus' game size would be based off a figurine of the same retail size as the other characters included.


So yeah, it might make sense on paper that resizing would be bad, but that's actually how the premise of the game operates.

After today's update with Entei, Ho-Oh, Lugia and Suicune it would be stupid to think Arceus should be even an inch smaller than them in the battlefield.

 

[adumbrodeus]

After today's update with Entei, Ho-Oh, Lugia and Suicune it would be stupid to think Arceus should be even an inch smaller than them in the battlefield.

Erm, yeah...

Did you notice my whole speel on them being animated figurines and playable characters irreguardless of actual size, having the same retail size?

I thought not.

 

[:034:]

hmmmm...I will join A.R.C.E.U.S
IF you join the mog squad.



deal?kupo

Deal.

After today's update with Entei, Ho-Oh, Lugia and Suicune it would be stupid to think Arceus should be even an inch smaller than them in the battlefield.

Well, think of Arceus as around Entei's size in Melee. Would that work for you?

 

[courte]

out of line here but does anyone not dislike vesperview?? just asking a question

 

[vesperview]

Well, think of Arceus as around Entei's size in Melee. Would that work for you?

Didn't Entei occupy like half the stage? I don't really remember.

out of line here but does anyone not dislike vesperview?? just asking a question

I couldn't care less if people don't like me in the internet, I'm not here to make friends, you on the other hand should get a life if you dislike someone based on an internet forum, now could you at least get back on topic?

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

out of line here but does anyone not dislike vesperview?? just asking a question

Well at least he's making more sense than most here...

Well, I wouldn't really call it commitment, because I doubt anyone here thinks that Arceus will end up in smash. There's definitely a non-zero chance, but it's a small one.

Maybe a non-zero chance, but I'd put Arceus's chances at exactly the same as Pichu's. And we all know how that went.

 

[platnum]

Deal.

OK.*joins*
note:to join you need atleast 1 post in the mog thread.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

So...another copy on Ridley's club title. Anyways, Arceus is a laughable character for Brawl. He's not technically in any games, anime or movie yet. The only way to get him is to cheat, his event hasn't even been announced. What's this freak got over Lucario or Darkrai?

We all know Pokemon will get 5 reps, Pokemon Trainer, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario/Darkrai. Arceus wouldn't even be a Pokeball. His event hasn't been announced yet. Naturally, his existence hasn't been established yet.

 

[wagnerelli]

You see, they are revealing the secret legends in order. Darkrai was revealed last summer. Shaymin will be revealed sometime next year. When do you think Arceus will be revealed?

Arceus has no chance at all, since Arceus is yet to exist.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Maybe a non-zero chance, but I'd put Arceus's chances at exactly the same as Pichu's. And we all know how that went.

Well, I'm not a pichu fan, but perhaps their initial chances were about equal, though they're not equal if he's been deconfirmed.

out of line here but does anyone not dislike vesperview?? just asking a question

Why would we dislike vesperview?

We're just discussing something in a (relatively) civil manner, thus, no reason to dislike him.

 

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Didn't Entei occupy like half the stage? I don't really remember.

I think Entei was about a platform on Battlefield.

What's this freak got over Lucario or Darkrai?

1. Game importance. As you know, the GOD of the world. And pretty much ALL the myths in Sinnoh being about him. And the plates you find everywhere? Darkrai has game importance though. Like - once. And that's ACTUALLY all about Cresselia. Lucario has... Well, hardly any. You can get him in an egg. Wait... Happiny for Brawl!

2. He would be original and would bring something NEW to Smash, rather than a normal punch-kick character. I guess Darkrai has more originality than Lucario, but Arceus would have way more.

3. Nintendo realizes the popularity boosts characters get through Smash. Put Arceus in, Arceus becomes popular and everybody wants one. Make an event for Arceus, thousands of people will come, and the movie with Arceus will be even more popular, thus making MORE MONEY. And if the third 4th gen game has Arceus on the box cover, people'll want it because they know him from Smash.

4. Popularity has virtually no influence on Pokémon characters. Or, rather, not ANYMORE, apparently. So far Pikachu (who is THE Pokémon icon. And important in Pokémon Yellow (which was made BECAUSE of the animé, but I disgress)) and the Pokémon Trainer have been confirmed. Sakurai HAD to put Pikachu in (along with Mario, Link and Kirby). Then he decided to go with.... Game importance!

5. 4th gen representation? Well, Lucario and Darkrai have this too. Nevermind.

 

[Gypsy Lee]

Arceus? Really? It's like... not even bipedal or moves or has any character to it or anything. It'd be more realistic to hope for a boulder as a playable character.

 

[fums63]

i really doubt arceus will be in at all simply because he hasnt officially been revealed. however darkrai has and he will likely be a pokeball or boss.

 

[courte]

I couldn't care less if people don't like me in the internet, I'm not here to make friends, you on the other hand should get a life if you dislike someone based on an internet forum, now could you at least get back on topic?

i never was on topic but congrats-you've learned the english language

use it the only way it was intended[[as if you were in congress]]

and blaze a path to greatness[[in your own mind]]

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Well, I'm not a pichu fan, but perhaps their initial chances were about equal, though they're not equal if he's been deconfirmed.

Well that's kind of what I was getting at. Even when Pichu is deconfirmed, I'd still say Arceus's chances are about equal to his.