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Arceus, the God of Pokémon, for Brawl! V2.1! A.R.C.E.U.S. Group GO!

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Mods, please don't close this topic. I wanted to make a new one since the other one was just a mere suggestion, and nothing in the first page, making us continually assaulted by the same argument over and over.

Arceus, The Alpha Pokémon, God of All, The Original One.​

Character Description​

Arceus (Japanese: アルセウス Arseus) is the last Legendary Pokémon of Generation IV and the final Pokémon in the National Pokédex as of that generation.

Arceus is known as "The Original One," as it is said that it created the universe and Palkia, Dialga, and the lake trio. The only known way to get Arceus is with the Azure Flute (also known as The Key of Space and Time). Arceus has not yet been officially revealed.










I have no idea who did this art but it's AMAZING

Arceus is an equine being that may be based on a horse-like mammal or qilin. Its body is white, has a gray underside and its four pointed feet are tipped with gold hooves. Its mane is quite long and its face is gray with green eyes. It also has a cross-like wheel attached to its body, which changes color based on Arceus' current type.

Acording to legend, Arceus created the universe and 5 legendary Pokémon, Palkia, Dialga and the lake trio.

While Arceus may be a pure Normal-type, due to Arceus's Multitype ability allows for its type to change into any of the other 16 types depending on what type of special plate it holds.

Arceus's signature move, Judgment, also changes its type depending on the type of special plate Arceus is holding. Arceus also has the ability to use several attacks of various types, but to a lesser extent than Mew.​

Diamond PokéDex: "It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1000 arms."
Pearl PokéDex: "It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed."

Moveset

Flying Dutchman said:
STATS:

SIZE: **** (Smaller than Bowser and DK, but only by a little bit)
WEIGHT: *** (Not as heavy as Bowser, but heavier than say.. Mario. Just a bit above average)
SPEED: ** (dashing speed about the same as Link's)
POWER: ****
TRACTION: ** (he floats, so there isn't a lot of traction)

Arceus floats a little bit above the ground, hovering so to say. His first jump is fairly low, but his second jump has 16 directions to go in and is quite long (smaller than Yoshi's second jump though).

GROUND MOVES:

Jab (A):
A small 'power pulse' with short range. Reaches front and back, with average knockback.

Forward Tilt:
Arceus lunges forward, slamming the foe away. Okay knockback, average range.

Up Tilt:
Arceus shoots a small beam forward that controls the opponent and flings him upward. Medium range, okay knockback, not a lot of damage. Small amount of lag if the beam doesn't hit. Main launching move.

Down Tilt:
Arceus spins and shoots a small quake forward, with quite good range for a downtilt. The damage and knockback aren't too good, but the lack of lag makes up for it.

Forward Smash: Arceus uses Earth Power!
Arceus shoots a small beam, targeting an opponent. The beam goes about as far as Marth's Forward Smash. When the opponent is targeted, they can't move anymore and the ground under them shakes and explodes. The opponent can not escape from this. While this is the most powerful Smash attack that Arceus has, it has a lot of lag if the attack doesn't hit and charging it only increases range a little bit.

Up Smash: Arceus uses Seismic Toss!
Arceus grabs the opponent and flies up with him.. Only to come back a second later, crashing his opponent into the floor. It does a lot of damage, but it has some lag after the attack. No knockback either, since the opponent is stuck in the ground.

Down Smash: Arceus uses Gravity!
Arceus spins around, creating a small void, 360 degrees around him. Everybody who enters this void is pushed to the ground and gets damage. There's some lag after the attack, and the knockback isn't too good, but it's a nice damage racker (especially in Free For All).

AERIAL MOVES:

Neutral Aerial: Arceus uses Hyper Voice!
Arceus spins around and shrieks, creating an aura that damages opponents around him. The aura is about 1.5 times as big as Jigglypuff's Sing. While this opponent has virtually no knockback, it does a nice amount of damage, and there isn't much lag either.

Forward Aerial:
Arceus flings his head, creating a 'cut' in the air that semi-spikes opponents. It's hard to hit, though, since the cut is very fast and doesn't last long. (much like Shiek's Forward Aerial)

Back Aerial:
Arceus kicks back with his feet for pretty good range and knockback. The lag isn't too much, making this Arceus' primary edgeguarding move. Works like a sex kick.

Up Aerial: Arceus uses Seismic Toss!
Arceus bites upward with a mystical power and throws him downward. VERY hard to hit since you need to be under your opponent, but it spikes. The lag at the end isn't that big though.

Down Aerial: Arceus uses Gravity!
Arceus casts the same Gravity aura beneath him as in his Down Smash. The Gravity aura does damage and Meteor Smashes the opponent. Arceus floats in the air when using this move, but can't move sideways.

GRAB MOVES:

Arceus grabs by moving his head forward ans shooting a small invisible 'beam', so to say. Anyone hit by this beam will be hold in mid-air by Arceus' divine power. The way of grabbing is comparable to Mewtwo's.

A:
Arceus jabs with the same power pulse as in his jab.

Forward Throw: Arceus uses Future Sight!
Arceus throws the opponent forward, with virtually no lag, but small knockback. A few seconds later, the real knockback and damage comes in, as Future Sight attacks the opponent. The opponent can only prevent this from happening by killing himself or Arceus. If Pokémon Trainer switches Pokémon, the effects of Future Sight are passed on to the next Pokémon.

Back Throw:
Arceus uses his divine power to move the opponent behind him. Arceus the uses his hind legs to kick the opponent away.

Up Throw:
Arceus throws the opponent upward and shoots a small beam at him. The beam doesn't have much knockback, but does a bit of damage. The lag is pretty big for a throw.

Down Throw: Arceus uses Gravity!
Arceus uses the same Gravity aura used in his Down Smash and Down Aerial to push the opponent to the ground and deal damage. He then lands on top of him and the opponent flies upward. Floaties can be chaingrabbed by this.

SPECIAL MOVES:

Neutral Special: Arceus uses Hyper Beam!
Arceus charges his Hyper Beam and shoots forward. You can shoot in three ways: straight forward, in a 45 degree angle upward or straight up. The knockback isn't any good, but it does a lot of damage. Too bad this attack has a lot of lag afterwards.

Forward Special: Arceus uses Giga Impact!
Arceus charges and slams forward. Anyone hit by Giga Impact suffers from it's extreme knockback and damage, but those who managed to avoid can benefit from it's huge lag time... You have been warned!

P.S: This attack can be charged to increase the range.

Down Special: Arceus uses Multitype!
This one I'm rather proud of, even though it's the most predictable of them all... It changes your type! Only the color of the golden ring changes though, too prevent Team Colors confusion. The type you change in is completly random, and when you press Down B again when you changed your type, you change back to normal type. What happens for each type though? Well..

Fighting (Dark brown ring): Increases damage.
Flying (Gray ring): Makes Arceus float higher and increases jump.
Poison: (Purple ring): Some of Arceus' attacks do additional and continuous damage (comparable to the Lip's Stick item).
Ground (Light brown (sand color) ring): Ground moves have increased knockback and damage, aerial moves have decreased knockback and damage.
Rock (Medium brown (rock.. color.. duh?) ring): Increases weight and knockback.
Bug (Light green ring): Decreases weight and traction and makes Arceus a Floaty character.
Ghost (Deep purple ring): Decreases knockback and damage done by opponents.
Steel (Silver ring): Decreases knockback done by opponents, but makes Arceus a fastfaller and adds weight.
Grass (Dark green ring): Some attacks uses leaves, hanging around and attacking the opponent later for some additional damage.
Fire (Red ring): Same effect as Superspicy Curry.
Water (Blue ring): Some attacks leave water on the floor, making the floor slippery. Arceus' traction is also decreased.
Electric (Yellow ring): Attacks have extra stun.
Psychic (Pink ring): Throws have extra range and knockback.
Dark (Black ring): Steals items that opponent have carrying with them (including Franklin Badges and such).
Ice (White ring): Leaves a freeze effect to some attacks (sometimes even completly freezing the opponent for a few seconds at high percentages).
Dragon (Dark blue ring): Increases knockback and damage and decreases lag. Rarest of all the types to get.

Up Special: Arceus uses Extremespeed!
This attack is pretty much the same as Pikachu's Quick Attack, only it goes farther and doesn't have a second try.

FINAL SMASH: Arceus uses Judgement!
Arceus grabbed a Smash Ball! Watch out! He moves to the back of the stage and shoots beams across the stage and unleashes meteors. If there was a type change with Multitype, the beams change color and have the same effects as with normal attacks.
Arguments and Counterarguments

Why should Arceus be in Brawl?
Arceus is the most important Pokémon. He is the GOD of them all. He CREATED the Pokémon universe. He's more important than the Pokémon Trainer. Arceus would also be an original choice, instead of standard fighting Pokémon who don't bring anything new or special to Brawl.​

What does this guy have over Lucario and Darkrai?

1. Game importance. As you know, the GOD of the world. And pretty much ALL the myths in Sinnoh being about him. And the plates you find everywhere? Darkrai has game importance though. Like - once. And that's ACTUALLY all about Cresselia. Lucario has... Well, hardly any. You can get him in an egg. Wait... Happiny for Brawl!

2. He would be original and would bring something NEW to Smash, rather than a normal punch-kick character. I guess Darkrai has more originality than Lucario, but Arceus would have way more.

3. Nintendo realizes the popularity boosts characters get through Smash. Put Arceus in, Arceus becomes popular and everybody wants one. Make an event for Arceus, thousands of people will come, and the movie with Arceus will be even more popular, thus making MORE MONEY. And if the third 4th gen game has Arceus on the box cover, people'll want it because they know him from Smash.

4. Popularity has virtually no influence on Pokémon characters. Or, rather, not ANYMORE, apparently. So far Pikachu (who is THE Pokémon icon. And important in Pokémon Yellow (which was made BECAUSE of the animé, but I disgress)) and the Pokémon Trainer have been confirmed. Sakurai HAD to put Pikachu in (along with Mario, Link and Kirby). Then he decided to go with.... Game importance!

5. 4th gen representation? Well, Lucario and Darkrai have this too. Nevermind.

Counterarguments​

Arceus can't be in Brawl, he's too big!
Bowser, Kirby, Pikachu... Weren't they all too big or too small? Looks like they resized them. They can do it with Arceus as well.

Status: Purged.

Arceus is a Legendary with a signature attack. He should be a Pokéball!
Who says every Legendary with a signature attack should be a Pokéball? Mewtwo is a Legendary. He got in Melee.

Status: Not purged enough.

Arceus isn't popular enough to be in Brawl!
Pokémon Trainer. 'Nuff said.

Status: Purged.

Arceus isn't even revealed yet!
Wait a minute... Brawl comes out on January 24th in Japan. Who says he doesn't get revealed before that time? And chances are pretty much every Pokémon fan already knows this guy. AND, Sakurai got complete freedom with this game except for Mario's, Link's, Pikachu's and Kirby's inclusion.

Status: Purged.

He has four legs and nothing too grab with!
Ivysaur says hi. Also, he created the world with his THOUSAND ARMS. AND - my moveset gives a good enough answer for that. If a randomer can do it, so can a whole frikkin' company.

Status: Purged.

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I think this Idea is godlike. I like the Moveset and this pokemon would be some amazing fighter. I mean, a four-legs, god-like Pokemon as a Smasher. How could this not be awesome.
 

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Yeah, Arceus would be pretty cool. Nice job on the moveset. Pretty creative.
But, I'd just be happy to see him in a pokeball.
 

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Arceus would be cool, but weird.with double poke balls announced (with latios and latias) i think all three of the new big legends aka palkia, dialga, arceus in one pokeball....awesome.
 

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Oh sh*t! I just got thread jacked!
Heh, yeah, sorry about that. It just sort of pisses me off to see these 'official' threads that only have a suggestion on the first post, instead of an elaboration on the character, moveset etc. Nothing personal though. : D
 

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there are other pokemon that would be better suited than him for brawl that deserve it more and the over population of pokemon have yet to be discussed...pokeball ftw
 

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he would be cool but mewtwo and lucario come first in my books then he can come but i guess pokemon wont get more reps(even though it should after all its one of the top sellers)
 

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Arceus won't go beyond a pokeball and you know it, legendary pokemon, don't go beyond pokeballs and it would be utterly stupid to resize them.


How is that a counter argument? Pokemon Trainer has three of the most popular pokemon fighting with him.
The character is the 'Pokémon Trainer'. And if you read the first 18 pages of the Pokémon Trainer thread, you know what I mean. People started liking him AFTER his announcement.

there are other pokemon that would be better suited than him for brawl that deserve it more and the over population of pokemon have yet to be discussed...pokeball ftw
No. Arceus is the most worthy. He's GOD. There isn't anybody else worthy enough to even TOUCH him.

Overpopulation? There's only two characters from the Pokémon franchise: Pikachu and Pokémon Trainer (who is ONE on the character select screen, so not THREE Poké's).
 

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Mewtwo isn't the size of Pokemon like Entei or Lugia, nor Arceus for that matter, it would be stupid to resize Arceus and you know it, pokeball at best and the character is PT, Squirtle, Charizard and Ivysaur, it's so not a counter of what you're trying to disprove.
 

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I think mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon, when I used watch he seemed invincible plus hes a genetic clone of something thats already ultra powerful.

Mewtwo is good enough, but in brawl he should be unnerfed and heavier
 

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Just to note, allowing someone to go into permanent superspicy curry would be pretty broken....

Anyways, Arceus would probably be the most awesome pokeymans to appear in Brawl, and considering Nintendo acknowledges Smash as a gigantic seller, they could easily make Brawl a promotional event - unlock Arceus in Brawl, unlock him in Diamond/Pearl. The only thing is, America hasn't gotten Darkrai and neither the US nor japan have Shaymin and Europe has nobody; I'm thinking Manaphy or Darkrai if they put a secret fourth generation legend.
 

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Mewtwo isn't the size of Pokemon like Entei or Lugia, nor Arceus for that matter, it would be stupid to resize Arceus and you know it, pokeball at best and the character is PT, Squirtle, Charizard and Ivysaur, it's so not a counter of what you're trying to disprove.
I lol'd. Why would it be stupid to resize Arceus? You want him to be insanely big and tower over everybody?

I think mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon, when I used watch he seemed invincible plus hes a genetic clone of something thats already ultra powerful.
FACT: Arceus is the strongest Pokémon, statiscally. He can also be ANY type.

Not to mention that Bug-Arceus OHKO's Mewtwo. :]

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Just to note, allowing someone to go into permanent superspicy curry would be pretty broken....
Yeah. >_> I didn't know SSC was so broken when I made it.
 

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Oh so Lugia could be Yoshi's size[/sarcasm] there's a reason they're legendary, Pokemon have never gotten resized and it doesn't make sense to resize pokemon, nor will they resize Arceus when they have a ton of other Pokemon who are more popular than him.
 

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Oh so Lugia could be Yoshi's size[/sarcasm] there's a reason they're legendary, Pokemon have never gotten resized and it doesn't make sense to resize pokemon, nor will they resize Arceus when they have a ton of other Pokemon who are more popular than him.
Wrong!

Pikachu's real size: 1′04″ (0.4m)
Charizard's real size: 5′07″ (1.7m)

Charizard is supposedly about FOUR TIMES as big as Pikachu.


Hardly two times as big.

So while it may seem dumb and crude to resize such a large Pokémon, it definitely happens.

Status: Purged.

And Arceus is plenty popular. A ton of people on the first page disagree with you. And popular Pokémon doesn't mean much. Just look at Deoxys.

Sakurai said:
Now, this one is popular.
And Munchlax, a major Pokémon in Japan, got ditched for the Pokéball. And who got in? Pokémon Trainer. One of the most impopular characters. Only got popular and liked after he really got in. It seems Sakurai is going after game importance, rather than popular ones.
 

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And Munchlax, a major Pokémon in Japan, got ditched for the Pokéball. And who got in? Pokémon Trainer. One of the most impopular characters. Only got popular and liked after he really got in. It seems Sakurai is going after game importance, rather than popular ones.
I've got to use that as an anti-Geno argument sometime.
 

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Charizard isn't legendary and Arceus isn't more popular than Darkrai or Lucario, which means something, even if they can end up as a Pokeball.
Charizard isn't legendary meaning what, exactly?

And Darkrai and Lucario might be more popular, but Munchlax and Deoxys were too. And, you might remember this:

And Munchlax, a major Pokémon in Japan, got ditched for the Pokéball. And who got in? Pokémon Trainer. One of the most impopular characters. Only got popular and liked after he really got in. It seems Sakurai is going after game importance, rather than popular ones.
 

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Legendary pokemon have never gotten resized, they all ended up in the pokeballs, why would Arceus be any different? Specially considering he isn't that popular and stop using examples of pokeballed pokemon to support Arceus, cause until proven playable they can all end up like that.
 

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Oh so Lugia could be Yoshi's size[/sarcasm] (Baby Lugia) there's a reason they're legendary, (Being legendary has nothing to with size) Pokemon have never gotten resized (Yeah, they have) and it doesn't make sense to resize pokemon (It does.), nor will they resize Arceus when they have a ton of other Pokemon who are more popular than him. (If Arceus manages to be a PC in Brawl somehow, he will be resized. Do you at least accept that?)
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EDIT: vesperview, M2 is legendary.
 

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Legendary pokemon have never gotten resized, they all ended up in the pokeballs, why would Arceus be any different? Specially considering he isn't that popular and stop using examples of pokeballed pokemon to support Arceus, cause until proven playable they can all end up like that.
Ah, but why wouldn't he be? Mewtwo is playable in Melee. And, whoops. He's legendary, isn't he...

I have no idea whether or not you're defending yourself with that last statement. I'm stating that a Pokémon character doesn't neccisarily have to be popular to be playable.

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Of course it does have to be popular, none of the playable pokemon were unpopular before their Smash appearances.
Pichu wasn't popular. Or maybe, not popular enough? Jigglypuff's popularity had mostly faded in Melee, and now she isn't appearing in the anime at all anymore.

And now Sakurai put in the second-most important character, gamewise. The Pokémon Trainer.

Game importance > (anime) popularity.
 

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Pichu was a clone, he got in due to his similarities with Pikachu, Jigglypuff was obviously popular by the time the first Smash game came out, or you forgot Jigglypuff was in 64? and why is Pokemon Trainer an example? Stop talking about him as if he's flying solo.
 
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Well I don't know where anyone is getting with this argument, but I do know Arceus has no chance to be in Brawl as a playable character because he's not bipedal and he doesn't have anything conventional to grab things with. He just doesn't work.
 

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Arceus will most likely appear as a pokeball.. I don't know what it could do exactly.. but im sure it will do something pokemonish.
 

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Well I don't know where anyone is getting with this argument, but I do know Arceus has no chance to be in Brawl as a playable character because he's not bipedal and he doesn't have anything conventional to grab things with. He just doesn't work.
You.. Really didn't read the first post, didn't you.. Because you're an idiot, I will repeat myself. As a God, he could grab opponents with his psychic powers. Because, if you're a God you wouldn't ACTUALLY grab them. Second, he created the universe using it's THOUSAND ARMS.

Pichu was a clone, he got in due to his similarities with Pikachu, Jigglypuff was obviously popular by the time the first Smash game came out, or you forgot Jigglypuff was in 64? and why is Pokemon Trainer an example? Stop talking about him as if he's flying solo.
He IS technically flying solo. He's one person on the character select screen, and the DOJO character page says "Pokémon Trainer", not "Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard". Pichu being a clone has nothing to do with popularity, since Falco and Ganondorf are both popular characters and both clones. Jigglypuff was put in 64 due to time issues (they wanted to put Pit in instead).
 

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He isn't flying solo, that you see him as such to justify your arguments is clearly different and what does Pit have to do with Jigglypuff? Even so, Pokemon have gotten in, because they were popular in the anime or in a movie, that's why Lucario and Darkrai are by far the Pokemon with the most chance.
 

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He isn't flying solo, that you see him as such to justify your arguments is clearly different and what does Pit have to do with Jigglypuff? Even so, Pokemon have gotten in, because they were popular in the anime or in a movie, that's why Lucario and Darkrai are by far the Pokemon with the most chance.
Pokémon HAVE gotten in. Remember way back when I said Sakurai had total freedom with the game? Except for Mario's, Link's, Pikachu's and Kirby's inclusion. So far, Pikachu is the only confirmed Pokémon veteran. Because Sakurai was told by good ol' Miyamoto to put him in. Looks like Sakurai's going with game importance this time.

Pit has nothing to do with Jigglypuff. But due to time restrictions, they removed him and put Jiggly in instead.
 

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He isn't 'God', he's a 'god'. There's a very, very big difference.

I'm just saying.

I really could care less if this guy makes it in, he seems unique, and I would play as him with that type changing move. It seems quite original.

I'd still prefer Lucario, but this guy would my second choice.
 

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Pokémon HAVE gotten in. Remember way back when I said Sakurai had total freedom with the game? Except for Mario's, Link's, Pikachu's and Kirby's inclusion. So far, Pikachu is the only confirmed Pokémon veteran. Because Sakurai was told by good ol' Miyamoto to put him in. Looks like Sakurai's going with game importance this time.

Pit has nothing to do with Jigglypuff. But due to time restrictions, they removed him and put Jiggly in instead.
How is that an argument, when you don't even know which pokemon are returning and which ones aren't? Pikachu is important due to the anime either way, because Pokemon Yellow came out after the anime.
 

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How is that an argument, when you don't even know which pokemon are returning and which ones aren't? Pikachu is important due to the anime either way, because Pokemon Yellow came out after the anime.
Ah. That means you don't know which ones are returning either. But so far, my theory is right. Pokémon Yellow was actually made because of the anime. But, I guess you're right on that.

...Which would make my theory only more right, since that'd mean there are TWO game important Pokémon in Brawl so far!
 

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All of the pokemon in Smash have been in a game, that doesn't take away the fact that they became iconic to the pokemon franchise due to the movies and the anime, with pokemon, being in a game isn't enough to grant them a playable spot.
 
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