Another Pro Wavedashing Thread (It's a good ones)

[Psydon]

It is. Though you don't need to necessarily spam it in a match, everybody who's good knows how to use (that doesn't mean that everybody that uses it is good though...). I never heard of WD'ing being detrimental to one's game once they learn it.

If there's anything I can compare WD to it's like sidestepping or rolling to the competitive scene. And it's not that hard to do either.... I find doing u-tilts harder T.T and they were meant to be in the game...

Edit: This thread is also old, made around the time of E4all.

I'm going to guess that when you said "It is.", you meant one of three things.

-"It is a necessary function." It is not. You can play without wavedashing, even against someone who wavedashes, and do just fine. Give it a try sometime.

-"It is an integral part of Smash gameplay." It is not. It's just a convenient series of moves we found and learned to abuse. There is absolutely no reason why it ought to return for the next game. Like I've said before, there are people who are so hung up on this whole issue that they will do whatever it takes to deny that...*drum roll*

WAVEDASHING. IS. GONE.

And it's sad, because like other people have said before, most of the community is basically saying "meh" to this. Okay, so that useful technique is gone; there are still many, many complex facets to each skilled player's playstyle; it's not like the loss of wavedashing breaks the gameplay or destroys the metagame. Those who used to use it will shrug and move on, and those who didn't use it will shrug and move on.

-"It is a must-learn technique." It is not. If it were, it'd be impossible to beat someone who wavedashes, without wavedashing.

It is not necessary or a must-learn technique because if it were then everybody would use it, and those who use it would always beat those who don't. While it is in no way detrimental to one's playstyle, there are some who don't find it as useful for them as others. There are plenty of people, myself included, who don't use wavedashing out of choice. So, what do we do instead?

We play the game. We work around it.

I've beat people who can wavedash (and I mean wavedash effectively) plenty of times. How? By playing the game. By working around it. It's not as hard as you think.

Oh, and just for the sake of bragging, I main Samus and Mario, two of the group of characters that everybody says needs wavedashing to succeed.

ron561 asked: "What will "pros" do without wavedashing?"

Well, my friend, they're gonna have to do the same thing as the rest of us.

Play the game.

Hopefully, people like the TC will swiftly learn to accept the loss of wavedashing and move on. But if not...there's always Melee. The tourneys will be few, and their attendants will be few, but there's always Melee.

 

[thesage]

I don't think so. Hardly any newbies complains about L cancelling, fast falling, etc. I believe that people (who don't understand competitive Smash) will only complain about exploits (Wavedashing, Sheik's Shino stall, etc.) or doing the same move over and over again.

Explain how somebody could complain about short hopping to the point they cry about it...

 

[Plairnkk]

I'm going to guess that when you said "It is.", you meant one of three things.

-"It is a necessary function." It is not. You can play without wavedashing, even against someone who wavedashes, and do just fine. Give it a try sometime.

-"It is an integral part of Smash gameplay." It is not. It's just a convenient series of moves we found and learned to abuse. There is absolutely no reason why it ought to return for the next game. Like I've said before, there are people who are so hung up on this whole issue that they will do whatever it takes to deny that...*drum roll*

WAVEDASHING. IS. GONE.

And it's sad, because like other people have said before, most of the community is basically saying "meh" to this. Okay, so that useful technique is gone; there are still many, many complex facets to each skilled player's playstyle; it's not like the loss of wavedashing breaks the gameplay or destroys the metagame. Those who used to use it will shrug and move on, and those who didn't use it will shrug and move on.

-"It is a must-learn technique." It is not. If it were, it'd be impossible to beat someone who wavedashes, without wavedashing.

It is not necessary or a must-learn technique because if it were then everybody would use it, and those who use it would always beat those who don't. While it is in no way detrimental to one's playstyle, there are some who don't find it as useful for them as others. There are plenty of people, myself included, who don't use wavedashing out of choice. So, what do we do instead?

We play the game. We work around it.

I've beat people who can wavedash (and I mean wavedash effectively) plenty of times. How? By playing the game. By working around it. It's not as hard as you think.

Oh, and just for the sake of bragging, I main Samus and Mario, two of the group of characters that everybody says needs wavedashing to succeed.

ron561 asked: "What will "pros" do without wavedashing?"

Well, my friend, they're gonna have to do the same thing as the rest of us.

Play the game.

Hopefully, people like the TC will swiftly learn to accept the loss of wavedashing and move on. But if not...there's always Melee. The tourneys will be few, and their attendants will be few, but there's always Melee.

You will not beat a decent player without wavedashing, ever. It is an integral part of smash gameplay. PERIOD. It is, in competitive melee, a neccessity. If you're choosing not to use it for "honor" reasons, you're a scrub. Play to win. In brawl there will undoubtedly be other glitches that are abusable, and we will find those and abuse them too? Will you? Probably not, due to your "code of honor". If you do, then it proves you're just being a hypocrite and don't want to put the dedicated effort into getting good at melee, not because "it's a glitch." This is why the exact same players who are on top for Melee will be on top for Brawl, with very few exceptions.

 

[ron561]

You will not beat a decent player without wavedashing, ever. It is an integral part of smash gameplay. PERIOD. It is, in competitive melee, a neccessity. If you're choosing not to use it for "honor" reasons, you're a scrub. Play to win. In brawl there will undoubtedly be other glitches that are abusable, and we will find those and abuse them too? Will you? Probably not, due to your "code of honor". If you do, then it proves you're just being a hypocrite and don't want to put the dedicated effort into getting good at melee, not because "it's a glitch." This is why the exact same players who are on top for Melee will be on top for Brawl, with very few exceptions.

I've beat plenty of decent wave dashing players without wave dashing.See this is what I hate.You so called people that "are on top for melee" are quick to think you can't win with out wave dashing.Honestly alot of you who believe that are very scared to play Brawl.What will you guys do without it?I mean from your logic,if you can't wave dash against a good player then you lose.

I'd really like to see some of "wavedash=win" players play without wave dashing.

 

[Plairnkk]

I've beat plenty of decent wave dashing players without wave dashing.See this is what I hate.You so called people that "are on top for melee" are quick to think you can't win with out wave dashing.Honestly alot of you who believe that are very scared to play Brawl.What will you guys do without it?I mean from your logic,if you can't wave dash against a good player then you lose.

I'd really like to see some of "wavedash=win" players play without wave dashing.

Name a decent player you've beaten. No you haven't. Sorry, in your month long smash career, even if you could wavedash, you would still lose. You stupid newbies just like to not wavedash so you can have a john as to why you don't win. "I lose because I don't wavedash" No, you lose because you suck, and even if you did wavedash you would still suck. Any decent player would **** any scrubs like you without wavedashing with ease, we just choose not to because it IS in the game, and we don't have to. There's no reason to limit the game because it's "cheap".

You are a scrub.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Name a decent player you've beaten. No you haven't. Sorry, in your month long smash career, even if you could wavedash, you would still lose. You stupid newbies just like to not wavedash so you can have a john as to why you don't win. "I lose because I don't wavedash" No, you lose because you suck, and even if you did wavedash you would still suck. Any decent player would **** any scrubs like you without wavedashing with ease, we just choose not to because it IS in the game, and we don't have to. There's no reason to limit the game because it's "cheap".

You are a scrub.

Are you having a bad day? Cheer up, it's Christmas!

 

[Plairnkk]

No, but when you're bored it's fun to go into the brawl forums and make fun of the brawl newbies who have no idea what they're talking about.

Common smasher knowledge.

 

[MookieRah]

@ron
Competitive players are only afraid that the game won't be as deep or competitive, we aren't afraid of relearning stuff. There is a big difference. Also... seriously the "i've beaten a dude who can wavedash" crap doesn't mean anything. Give us names, give us tournament results. We don't care if you beat some random guy who just happened to know how to wavedash.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Mookie nailed it, I just want the game to be deep. I hate how the game automatically sweet spots, I hate the easier L-Cancel, I hate how it's easier to catch items, I hate the non competitive online play. I want a game with depth.

 

[Mike G]

Plairnkk: aniki(link) doesnt wavedash and most good players I know don't use it and still win against other decent players.


but then again, those peeps arent noobs and actually know how to use it effectively so *shrugs*

 

[Nova X81]

I can wavedash. Doesn't mean I don't suck.

Losing wavedash in brawl to me only means that I lose a cool and fun way of moving and positioning. I'm sure there'll be other techniques in brawl that serve similar purposes, and the game will have just as much depth, if not more, and just as much of a competitive angle without one simple trick.

 

[5150]

I couldn't care less for wavedashing... I don't think it is what makes the game good like many people claim it to be. I've been able to do it a couple of times but I don't rely on it, and you just stole all of the ideas from the previous wavedashing thread that was made today so I don't think your thread is all that.

sounds like you are ignorant

 

[ron561]

Name a decent player you've beaten. No you haven't. Sorry, in your month long smash career, even if you could wavedash, you would still lose. You stupid newbies just like to not wavedash so you can have a john as to why you don't win. "I lose because I don't wavedash" No, you lose because you suck, and even if you did wavedash you would still suck. Any decent player would **** any scrubs like you without wavedashing with ease, we just choose not to because it IS in the game, and we don't have to. There's no reason to limit the game because it's "cheap".

You are a scrub.

My month long smash career?Lol @ you i been smashing since day one of Smash 64.Name a decent player i've played?I didn't realize I have to know the names of tourny players i played.Why don't you name some decent people you've played?Newbies?Lol i'll show you the newbie.We can set up a match anytime if you live in Florida.I could care less about wave dashing.Like i've said before,my problem is people like you who believe you can't be anyone decent without wave dashing.I've never said anything negative about wave dashing so all this **** your saying about me saying wave dashing is cheap and me complaining about wave dashing is false.Direct that to someone who complains about wave dashing frequently.

Hypnotist I understand what your saying.You want the game to be deep no problem with that.

And mookie,I didn't know the names of the tournament players as many and even if I did,the tournament was pretty long ago i'm sure I wouldn't have remembered.I was playing in a gamestop tournament and pretty much everyone was easy until the last few contestants being me,some fox player,a luigi,and a shiek.The fox and luigi first introuduced me to wave dashing.They were doing pretty good but I was just the better player and i won the tournament.Sure it wasn't anyone that you guys have seen play like Smash players with videos on youtube or something,but these guys were using wave dashing effectively and I still won.

 

[Psydon]

You will not beat a decent player without wavedashing, ever. It is an integral part of smash gameplay. PERIOD. It is, in competitive melee, a neccessity. If you're choosing not to use it for "honor" reasons, you're a scrub. Play to win. In brawl there will undoubtedly be other glitches that are abusable, and we will find those and abuse them too? Will you? Probably not, due to your "code of honor". If you do, then it proves you're just being a hypocrite and don't want to put the dedicated effort into getting good at melee, not because "it's a glitch." This is why the exact same players who are on top for Melee will be on top for Brawl, with very few exceptions.

1. I personally don't wavedash for "honour"? WTF are you talking about? I just don't use it because I don't want to (pay attention to this, because it's my prime choice. I'm not "anti-pro". I'm not a noob of any kind. I'm not of the impression that I play under a higher sort of ideal than any other person. I simply do not want to wavedash) I'm and I find it uncomfortable. I know it won't make me lose. There are many other factors that determine the outcome of a match and I'll just play my best regardless. It limits my potential, sure, but I just don't care.

2. I have no problems with abusing glitches.

3. You're just wrong, man. It is not an impossibility to beat wavedashing players without using wavedashing.

I've beat plenty of decent wave dashing players without wave dashing.See this is what I hate.You so called people that "are on top for melee" are quick to think you can't win with out wave dashing.Honestly alot of you who believe that are very scared to play Brawl.What will you guys do without it?I mean from your logic,if you can't wave dash against a good player then you lose.

I'd really like to see some of "wavedash=win" players play without wave dashing.

Dude, watch what you say. Remember that there are pros and pro noobs. It's the pro noobs who cry so much about wavedashing being gone. The rest will simply move on. And those who put in the most effort will rise to the top of the Brawl metagame, regardless.

Mookie nailed it, I just want the game to be deep. I hate how the game automatically sweet spots, I hate the easier L-Cancel, I hate how it's easier to catch items, I hate the non competitive online play. I want a game with depth.

No you don't. You want wavedashing back in. That's why you made this topic. Also, by that same token, you're implying that wavedashing = all the depth in Melee. As is Plairnkk.



I will admit, though, I also feel concerned about Brawl's depth as compared to Melee, despite my optimism. I believe in the devs of this game, and I believe that Brawl will be a very deep game and that those who are also concerned will sigh with relief as we come to understand it more, but hey, that simply might not be the case.

I'm certainly not going to make a crazy thread blasting the E4A demo or whining about the loss of certain advanced techniques from Melee...



...but I know how you feel.

@ron
Competitive players are only afraid that the game won't be as deep or competitive, we aren't afraid of relearning stuff. There is a big difference. Also... seriously the "i've beaten a dude who can wavedash" crap doesn't mean anything. Give us names, give us tournament results. We don't care if you beat some random guy who just happened to know how to wavedash.

This guy knows what he's talking about, people.

While I can't give you the name of somebody whose name I could care less about, or the name of a tourney whose name I could care less about, or the footage of me beating someone without wavedashing because I didn't record it, I can still give you my word. If you don't care about that, or don't want to believe me, I respect your choice, but what I'm saying is the truth. I can also give you sheer realistic probability. I know you're an intelligent guy, Mookie; there's no way in hell you could possibly believe this:

You will not beat a decent player without wavedashing, ever. It is an integral part of smash gameplay. PERIOD.

 

[thesage]

LOL@plank being called a noob. You guys have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[shadydentist]

First of all, i doubt anyone else in this threat can beat plank (plairnkk). Secondly, congrats to ron561 for winning a gamestop tourney, but it doesn't mean anything. Maybe you did beat someone who wavedashed, but let me say this: All good players wavedash, but wavedashing doesn't make you good. But in this game, the ability to wavedash gives you many more choices, and any player pushing this game to the fullest extent will have taken the time to integrate this relatively easy skill into their game.

That is why the best players ALL wavedash.

 

[Samochan]

I think cort is **** good without any wd Plairnkk...

>_>

Or would plairnkk claim that cort, aniki and masashi all suck cause they don't wd? Don't make claims you can't back up, it'll only result in flame wars and all this heated debate. Poking fun on threads is different than seriously claiming something is a fact. >_> At least I didn't detect sarcasm behind your posts, would have made all the difference in the world. WD is very useful yes, but not absolute neccesity, unlike L-canceling or float canceling.

And Mookierah keeps owning threads. <3 Mookie.

 

[Psydon]

LOL@plank being called a noob. You guys have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't remember all posts in a thread, but I'd just like to say that if there was anything within my last post that suggested I was calling Plairnkk (great name and display pic, BTW ) a noob, that I did not intend for that because I do not think he (she? O_o) is any sort of noob. He's done nothing but give intelligent counsel-even if not all of it is right-and I agree wholeheartedly with a number of things he's said.

Maybe you did beat someone who wavedashed, but let me say this: All good players wavedash, but wavedashing doesn't make you good. But in this game, the ability to wavedash gives you many more choices, and any player pushing this game to the fullest extent will have taken the time to integrate this relatively easy skill into their game.

QFT, except for the last line (I also removed that stuff about ron because he doesn't matter to me). Most of the best players wavedash because it's so useful. Not all the best players wavedash, because not everyone who plays Smash wavedashes. I'm not going to give examples because other people are going to do that.

There's no reason to limit the game because it's "cheap".

You are a scrub.

He probably is. ><

But anyway, on that first line. I agree, certainly; wavedashing's potential advantages are no reason to remove it. But, y'know, so many people who complain about wavedashing being gone talk as if Nintendo deliberately removed it (not saying you're saying that), knowing full well about not just the technique, but what we've made of it.

To quote The Boss: "Somehow I doubt that."

I just don't see Nintendo or anyone who works for them doing that much research, for one. And even if the Brawl team, during their thousands of Melee testing matches, discovered it, I doubt that they would have seen the potential it has because they have so many other things to monitor and examine, to prepare for the next game. Heck, maybe they do know of it and changed the airdodge to compensate. Heck, maybe they did it on the grounds of it being "cheap", which of course would've been just a complete load of crap. But does that truly sound realistic? *shrug* Not to me.

 

[ron561]

First of all, i doubt anyone else in this threat can beat plank (plairnkk). Secondly, congrats to ron561 for winning a gamestop tourney, but it doesn't mean anything. Maybe you did beat someone who wavedashed, but let me say this: All good players wavedash, but wavedashing doesn't make you good. But in this game, the ability to wavedash gives you many more choices, and any player pushing this game to the fullest extent will have taken the time to integrate this relatively easy skill into their game.

That is why the best players ALL wavedash.

I know a gamestop tourny doesnt matter.Which is why i mentioned the people were easy,there was no one there that is very well known in the smash community,and the fact that it was a gamestop tournament.

 

[Puffin]

I think cort is **** good without any wd Plairnkk...

>_>

Or would plairnkk claim that cort, aniki and masashi all suck cause they don't wd? Don't make claims you can't back up, it'll only result in flame wars and all this heated debate. Poking fun on threads is different than seriously claiming something is a fact. >_> At least I didn't detect sarcasm behind your posts, would have made all the difference in the world. WD is very useful yes, but not absolute neccesity, unlike L-canceling or float canceling.

And Mookierah keeps owning threads. <3 Mookie.

First of all, Cort plays Peach (one of the few characters for whom WD is not essential), and I believe that Masashi does, in fact, wavedash. Second, while Aniki is good, he is very likely not meeting his full potential. He is one of the very, very few people who are actually good without wavedashing, but the rule still usually holds. Besides, he is still not nearly the best in the world.

I know a gamestop tourny doesnt matter.Which is why i mentioned the people were easy,there was no one there that is very well known in the smash community,and the fact that it was a gamestop tournament.

Then why did you cite that as evidence that good players can be beaten without wavedashing?

 

[ron561]

First of all, Cort plays Peach (one of the few characters for whom WD is not essential), and I believe that Masashi does, in fact, wavedash. Second, while Aniki is good, he is very likely not meeting his full potential. He is one of the very, very few people who are actually good without wavedashing, but the rule still usually holds. Besides, he is still not nearly the best in the world.



Then why did you cite that as evidence that good players can be beaten without wavedashing?

PUffin who do you want me to cite as evidence then?My friends?I can beat them all.Since not every can go to these big smash tournaments were games are recorded,players are ranked,and all that stuff,Gamestop is the closest that alot of people,including my self,can hope to find a few other good players.Everyone sucked up until the luigi and fox i played against.Ive said that multiple times.

They were good players.They wernt the best and they wernt bad they were pretty good.Gave me a good fight.Since that was the closest i have gotten to what we call "tourny level players" what else do you expect me to cite?

Also,yes I know that they might have been pretty good in my book,but complete newbs in your book.

 

[Samochan]

First of all, Cort plays Peach (one of the few characters for whom WD is not essential), and I believe that Masashi does, in fact, wavedash. Second, while Aniki is good, he is very likely not meeting his full potential. He is one of the very, very few people who are actually good without wavedashing, but the rule still usually holds. Besides, he is still not nearly the best in the world.

Don't be a smart guy here. It doesn't matter if it's peach or link or whatever, to some characters wavedash is essential on moving (ic, luigi) or in comboes (fox) and some chars can go without (peach, link, bowser). But it doesn't take away the fact that any character can be played without wavedash and be able to beat very good players. Just how much does Falcon rely on wavedash for example? Certainly not enough to be essential contrary to his dash dance and shffle. How much jiggs, peach, bowser and link rely on wavedashing? Wavedashing is useful tech with every character yes, but not absolutely neccesary with every char (hell even fox can go without wavedash, masashi beats cj and mikael without them). It's not about how useful wd is, the question is, is it absolutely neccesary? And the answer is no, contary to what Plairnkk stated here and thus I joined the conversation. There is a difference in being very useful and important tech and being an neccesary tech.

You will not beat a decent player without wavedashing, ever. It is an integral part of smash gameplay. PERIOD. It is, in competitive melee, a neccessity.

 

[Cort]

Brawl will be fine without wavedashing. I'm sure Brawl will have it's own set of unique advanced tactics. I want a new game, not Melee 2.0

 

[TrueBlue23]

Brawl will be fine without wavedashing. I'm sure Brawl will have it's own set of unique advanced tactics. I want a new game, not Melee 2.0

QFT WD is gone, deal with it. But there will most likely be a new wide array of techs opened up.

 

[Micahc]

Wasn't WD confirmed to be gone to some extent all ready? If so, why is this thread still alive?

 

[vesperview]

sounds like you are ignorant

And you sound really stupid by replying to a three month old post, you must be a ****** to think wavedash is what makes Melee fun, also, why isn't this thread locked yet? Wavedash is not in Brawl.

 

[ron561]

This was a old topic that someone bumped up recently.This topic was made around E4All

 

[Psydon]

First of all, Cort plays Peach (one of the few characters for whom WD is not essential)

And at last we arrive at a self-contradiction in the general opinion of wavedashing.

Observe:

You will not beat a decent player without wavedashing, ever. It is an integral part of smash gameplay. PERIOD.

Edit: Plairnkk, you've provoked Psydon to positively pop with laughter. This is preposterous and pathetic.

It's not about how useful wd is, the question is, is it absolutely neccesary? And the answer is no, contary to what Plairnkk stated here and thus I joined the conversation. There is a difference in being very useful and important tech and being an neccesary tech.

QFT

 

[Plairnkk]

Sorry to break it to you, but Cort is indeed a wavedasher. *Gasps* As is Masashi. Aniki is a rare case, and would still get absolutely destroyed by the majority of US pros these days.

Find a tournament with more than 50 players in the past year in the USA where any of the top 5 players didn't wavedash? Peach is the only somewhat-exception because of float cancelling, but Cort still sneaks a wavedash in here and there. It's not like he can't do it, it's just not nearly as useful as it is for every other character.

Bottom line is : Until you're good at melee, you don't know what's important in melee.

 

[slikvik]

listen to plank. hes actually a known smasher who has a clue what he is talking about

edit: Merry X-mas

 

[shadydentist]

@psydon, cort doesn't wavedash much when he plays peach. Nevertheless, he does know how to wavedash, and does so when he plays other characters. And you're right, its possible for someone to get really good and not wavedash at all, just like its possible to play tennis while never hitting the ball backhand. Its certainly possible, but extremely hard and just stupid.

 

[Plairnkk]

@psydon, cort doesn't wavedash much when he plays peach. Nevertheless, he does know how to wavedash, and does so when he plays other characters. And you're right, its possible for someone to get really good and not wavedash at all, just like its possible to play tennis while never hitting the ball backhand. Its certainly possible, but extremely hard and just stupid.

And it completely limits skill growth and nobody who doesn't backhand will be a top pro.
Good analogy, lol.

The creators of the tennis racket forgot to take out the backhand glitch, silly creators.

 

[Psydon]

@psydon, cort doesn't wavedash much when he plays peach. Nevertheless, he does know how to wavedash, and does so when he plays other characters. And you're right, its possible for someone to get really good and not wavedash at all, just like its possible to play tennis while never hitting the ball backhand. Its certainly possible, but extremely hard and just stupid.

While that's a terrible analogy (seriously, you might as well have compared wavedashing to kicking with different sides of your foot in soccer), I don't really have anything more to say.

To quote the Elder God: "These are the fathomless truths."

1. Wavedashing is useful. Very useful. So much so that anyone who plays Smash ought to learn it.

2. Despite wavedashing's usefulness, there are those who, out of choice, do not wavedash. This limits their potential as a Smash player, but it is possible to be great without wavedashing. This also proves (besides the fact that it is possible to win, even against wavedashing players, without wavedashing), ultimately, that wavedashing is not a must-learn skill. Some will argue that it is the most useful technique in the game, but its usefulness is not absolute, nor is its effect on a match.

3. Wavedashing is no more. It has been abolished for Brawl. There are those within the community so deeply enamored of this technique that they will do whatever it takes to try to keep the technique alive, and in the end will only meet contradiction and humiliation. There are those who lament the loss of the technique but are willing to accept the change and move on. There are those who simply don't care either way.

4. I wish you all a very Merry Christmas, a Happy Holiday and a Happy New Year. See you in other topics, and hopefully, eventually, online.

5. Even though I'm not a mod...

*Zero Laser*

 

[BananaNut]

3. Wavedasing was in Melee and was not taken out. Now even if you don't think this I'm sure you know wavedashing is the PAL version. There's clearly a reason they removed/reduced things in PAL version such as chain throwing but didn't change the wavedash at all.

4. They would have to change the physics engine which (along time ago) they said they wouldn't, this would take longer rather than just leaving it in.

5. More over, Nintendo knows that there are thousands of fans that love to wavedash and Nintendo does not want to disappoint them. Seriously what does removing wavedashing even accomplish? Nintendo have watch professional players play Smash and they find the metagame very interesting, including wavedashing. Would they really want to remove something interesting

3:Yeah, but brawl is NOT melee 2, the people at E for all said it had an entire different feel to it.

4:Ah, but they did change the air dodgeing mechanics, making it so that you can't dodge in a specific direction.

5: DENIED Sure, thousands who like to wavedash, but millions more who dont, besides getting rid of WDing might open new options to do other things, spot dodge to a fastfall, and then footstool stomp, anyone?

 

[ron561]

listen to plank. hes actually a known smasher who has a clue what he is talking about

edit: Merry X-mas

So you believe that you can't beat anyone good without wave dashing?

 

[Plairnkk]

So you believe that you can't beat anyone good without wave dashing?

Obviously.