America: So great or not so great?

[Sucumbio]

To strive for the best of things and to that end, a true Patriot does not ask what their country can do for them, but rather how they can help their country. It's rhetoric, yes but correct. Since I cannot prove that greatness is necessarily important, however, I must conceed there is no logical reason to achieve it, and it may be argued that man's pursuits of greatness are indeed the reason for countless slaughter.

 

[Doc Monocle]

Since I cannot prove that greatness is necessarily important...

If you ask me, greatness is very important, but you do not need to prove it. You only need voice yourself and allow your audience to decide its validity. All one must do then is ensure they and their audience share a vocabulary (which I know first-hand is not easy).

 

[Sucumbio]

Unless you're American. Then it's easy. I was working next to an Air Force Base the last few hours and at 5pm they played the Star Spangled Banner and I stopped working and took off my hat and hand over heart tried not to totally lose it cause it sucks here right now but it's gonna be alright because we take our casualties and press forward.

But in terms of Great things I believe we're lucky. Astounding accomplishments aside I see our achievements culminating in various forms of clack two rocks and get fire. Until we up the bar as a species we're going to remain good at blowing things up and lobbing things galaxies away.

 

[Doc Monocle]

Unless you're American. Then it's easy. I was working next to an Air Force Base the last few hours and at 5pm they played the Star Spangled Banner and I stopped working and took off my hat and hand over heart tried not to totally lose it cause it sucks here right now but it's gonna be alright because we take our casualties and press forward.

But in terms of Great things I believe we're lucky. Astounding accomplishments aside I see our achievements culminating in various forms of clack two rocks and get fire. Until we up the bar as a species we're going to remain good at blowing things up and lobbing things galaxies away.

There are more divisions between people than just nationality, and even that can be cause for two people to be 'on a different page.' Yet one of them may not be American, so I would not single out the U.S. (if that is what you mean by 'American') as the 'odd child' in that respect. Misunderstandings of terminology and its use may occur between any combination of people. We simply have different ways of thinking and speaking.

I agree that we are blessed in many ways (as people), and yes, humanity will always be plagued with errors in this world.

 

[Oracle Link]

As a german i think americas exesive patrioting is a bit disgusting everyone still thinks of germany as ahem land
even though germany still has big shame because of it meanwhile america did in its entire history similar terrible things for example the natives, oil wars, inventing the Atom bomb and using it Twice (i think one would have been enough maybe) and some other things

Still its a western country so its a nice place for everyone but Germany (present day germany of course) is still a bit nicer

Also americans youre probably very nice too!

 

[Sucumbio]

Russia is why Germany got shafted after WWII. But these days Germany makes nice cars and has a strong female leader and saved nalvany from novichok (American impressions).

 

[Oracle Link]

Russia is why Germany got shafted after WWII. But these days Germany makes nice cars and has a strong female leader and saved nalvany from novichok (American impressions).

i cant really comment on cars or the last thing because i dont know them

but yeah Angela merkel is decent even though she still does a lot of questionable stuff she still is (probably because internet Content filters that are planned) better than Trump

 

[Ben Holt]

If by America, you mean ALL of America, then we (The United States) have pretty much made South America our version of Europe's Africa. IE, we took their natural resources and destabilized their governments in the name of Anticommunism. So as it stands, America as a whole is about as great as an abusive marriage. Or if by "America", you mean specifically the United States, then we're the violent husband in said marriage.
So are we great? Is greatness even possible? What even does "great" mean?
In most dictionaries, the simplest definition of "great" is "big". And by many metrics, we are quite "big" (an not just in obesity per capita). We have the biggest, or "greatest" military budget in the world. We have the "greatest" GDP of any country. And because of our "greatness", we also have the greatest economic, cultural, and political influence around the globe.
So yes, if defined simply, the United States is undeniably "great", but the question is: How well do we use that greatness?
Politically, we have been the greatest destabilizing force in the post-World War II world. We support 73% of the world's dictatorships mostly because the democratically elected leaders were Socialists. And that brings us to our economic influence. While Capitalist propagandists will claim that "every Socialist nation has failed", they forget to include the context. Many nations were brought OUT of poverty by Socialism, but then we used economic embargos and military invasions to destroy those nations, which has led to some of the most brutal dictatorships worldwide. Divided Korea? That was us. The Taliban? We armed them in the 80s to stick it to the Soviets. Iran? We overthrew their democratically elected Socialist in 1953, installed our own puppet dictator, and then instead of having a peaceful, secular, Communist revolution, they had a violent, Fascistic, Islamic Revolution. Putin? We backed the Anticommunist coup in the USSR, and now we have a tinpot dictator using his political influence in an attempt to destroy Western Democracy. It's no accident that a third of Republicans think that the 2020 presidential election was rigged despite ZERO evidence simply on the word of the reality star idiot that got elected president. Even Saudi Arabia would not be able to hold its absolute Monarchy if it weren't for the United States bankrolling them so we can have cheaper crude oil (which is destroying the planet, but that's a whole other tangent).
Unfortunately, almost every modern geopolitical tragedy can be traced back the the United States' refusal to accept the Communist Revolution. So yeah, we're great, but we've abused our greatness for evil.

But there is a silver lining to this. Leftism is growing in the United States. And the United States is the only country that the United States can't invade. We can use the greatness we have been blessed with to right the wrongs of the 20th Century. The United States can pick up where the USSR left off and spearhead the world into a successful Communist Revolution. The Capitalist establishment will fight every step of the way, but the cannot stop us forever. We can end inequity in the United States. We can lead the world in a Green industrial revolution. We can use our military to stabilize nations rather than invade them. We can destroy the social hierarchy. We can unite our hemisphere. We can do all these things, but we must have the will to do so.
In other words, let's make the United States the greatest nation on Earth and then get rid of the idea of nations and embrace a full, free, classless Communist world.
The most important thing we can promote is Unity, whether it be a united American hemisphere, reinstating the Soviet Union, supporting pan-Arabism, expanding the European Union, etc, our goal must be unity, as unity is what promotes peace and equity.

 

[Oracle Link]

If by America, you mean ALL of America, then we (The United States) have pretty much made South America our version of Europe's Africa. IE, we took their natural resources and destabilized their governments in the name of Anticommunism. So as it stands, America as a whole is about as great as an abusive marriage. Or if by "America", you mean specifically the United States, then we're the violent husband in said marriage.
So are we great? Is greatness even possible? What even does "great" mean?
In most dictionaries, the simplest definition of "great" is "big". And by many metrics, we are quite "big" (an not just in obesity per capita). We have the biggest, or "greatest" military budget in the world. We have the "greatest" GDP of any country. And because of our "greatness", we also have the greatest economic, cultural, and political influence around the globe.
So yes, if defined simply, the United States is undeniably "great", but the question is: How well do we use that greatness?
Politically, we have been the greatest destabilizing force in the post-World War II world. We support 73% of the world's dictatorships mostly because the democratically elected leaders were Socialists. And that brings us to our economic influence. While Capitalist propagandists will claim that "every Socialist nation has failed", they forget to include the context. Many nations were brought OUT of poverty by Socialism, but then we used economic embargos and military invasions to destroy those nations, which has led to some of the most brutal dictatorships worldwide. Divided Korea? That was us. The Taliban? We armed them in the 80s to stick it to the Soviets. Iran? We overthrew their democratically elected Socialist in 1953, installed our own puppet dictator, and then instead of having a peaceful, secular, Communist revolution, they had a violent, Fascistic, Islamic Revolution. Putin? We backed the Anticommunist coup in the USSR, and now we have a tinpot dictator using his political influence in an attempt to destroy Western Democracy. It's no accident that a third of Republicans think that the 2020 presidential election was rigged despite ZERO evidence simply on the word of the reality star idiot that got elected president. Even Saudi Arabia would not be able to hold its absolute Monarchy if it weren't for the United States bankrolling them so we can have cheaper crude oil (which is destroying the planet, but that's a whole other tangent).
Unfortunately, almost every modern geopolitical tragedy can be traced back the the United States' refusal to accept the Communist Revolution. So yeah, we're great, but we've abused our greatness for evil.

But there is a silver lining to this. Leftism is growing in the United States. And the United States is the only country that the United States can't invade. We can use the greatness we have been blessed with to right the wrongs of the 20th Century. The United States can pick up where the USSR left off and spearhead the world into a successful Communist Revolution. The Capitalist establishment will fight every step of the way, but the cannot stop us forever. We can end inequity in the United States. We can lead the world in a Green industrial revolution. We can use our military to stabilize nations rather than invade them. We can destroy the social hierarchy. We can unite our hemisphere. We can do all these things, but we must have the will to do so.
In other words, let's make the United States the greatest nation on Earth and then get rid of the idea of nations and embrace a full, free, classless Communist world.
The most important thing we can promote is Unity, whether it be a united American hemisphere, reinstating the Soviet Union, supporting pan-Arabism, expanding the European Union, etc, our goal must be unity, as unity is what promotes peace and equity.
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If you mean by "communisim" the broken terrible system of Russia then oh hell no

if you mean with Communism the basicly unreachable utopia then yes but sseing your Hammer and Sickle i doubt that!

 

[Phoenixio]

Considering how the USA make fun of Canada for universal health care, and how Bernie is ridiculed and called a communist/socialist for wanting that, there's no way in hell the US will turn even slightly less capitalist in the next 50 years... Start by voting on social services and other things that will raise taxes, and then you can think about the far fetched dream of american socialism.

 

[Oracle Link]

Considering how the USA make fun of Canada for universal health care, and how Bernie is ridiculed and called a communist/socialist for wanting that, there's no way in hell the US will turn even slightly less capitalist in the next 50 years... Start by voting on social services and other things that will raise taxes, and then you can think about the far fetched dream of american socialism.

i dont even live there! i like germany because the Police was so nice that they can stop crazy Building Burning People that are Black or Female or say they want to help them

All lives Matter Black(technicly brown), White(technicly light Nougat), other shades, Male, Female, Normal, Autistic and yeah even the lives of my old School bullies

 

[Sucumbio]

Mmmm nougat wait what?

...

I think true Communism is a fantasyland but maybe one day there won't be money or resources or any real reason to live...

 

[Oracle Link]

Mmmm nougat wait what?

...

I think true Communism is a fantasyland but maybe one day there won't be money or resources or any real reason to live...

its the lego name for it Light tan doesnt work and "skin color" only really works in german
Hm we really need a good name for it Brown is a good short word but every time i wanna refer to "white" skin i need to put 2-3 Words together this sucks!

 

[Doc Monocle]

All governments are seen by their founders as a good thing, but if we ask ourselves what a usual government is, we may simplify it as the tool a person(s) uses to control their subjects, with a disregard for its implications toward their free will. The very problem is that everyone has a free will, and so logically, all USUAL governments are failures. Why? Because they cannot accomplish the usual task for which they are purposed, and why is this? Because no human being can truly control another. They can only reward, punish, bribe, and blackmail. Thus the ideal government should make its aim to have command over subjects who, of their own volition, submit to it.
Such a government could have drastically simplified legal codes because the precision demanded by a typical system of laws is to account for those subjects who are not interested in keeping the law, but in exploiting its ostensible ambiguities and shortcomings for their own gain.

 

[Resolve_beta]

no one talks abt it but the pledge of allegiance is a dictatorship lmao.

 

[wizfoot]

The United States is my favorite country in the world, which is why I criticize it so harshly. I love living here and I'm glad I was fortunate to be born in the States, but this country will never become better if we never criticize it. The US needs reform. So do most countries, admittedly. But even though so many things suck about this country, I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else. I'm very proud to call America my home.

 

[Sucumbio]

All governments are seen by their founders as a good thing, but if we ask ourselves what a usual government is, we may simplify it as the tool a person(s) uses to control their subjects, with a disregard for its implications toward their free will. The very problem is that everyone has a free will, and so logically, all USUAL governments are failures. Why? Because they cannot accomplish the usual task for which they are purposed, and why is this? Because no human being can truly control another. They can only reward, punish, bribe, and blackmail. Thus the ideal government should make its aim to have command over subjects who, of their own volition, submit to it.
Such a government could have drastically simplified legal codes because the precision demanded by a typical system of laws is to account for those subjects who are not interested in keeping the law, but in exploiting its ostensible ambiguities and shortcomings for their own gain.

This is robust...but a bit cynical, no? I mean by calling ourselves citizens of the united states are we not it's willing "subjects?" (however distasteful the phrase would have sounded to the likes of Ben Franklin or other founders.) And we can speak freely of our distaste for current leadership.... I'd say no government could be perfect but ours is frankly pretty solid it just lacks foresight.

 

[Doc Monocle]

by calling ourselves citizens of the united states are we not it's willing "subjects?"

What I speak of is not so much related to or conflicted with outwardly visible declarations of submission, such as a pledge of allegiance or other official forms of institutional recognition (though it does have some importance), but is a reference to the state of the subjects' innermost intentions. The subjects are not merely those who are 'recognized,' but those who consider their nation of affilition a share they desire a stake in, and who make it a personal rather than superficial goal to uphold its laws.

we can speak freely of our distaste for current leadership.

So true. That is one of the strengths of the U.S., and for that I am glad (as a system devised by imperfect humans, it will be, as you said, imperfect, however, on the sensible level, each government has strengths, as well as weaknesses).

In closing, I would promote not the ranting against one's own country, but the recognition that as people, all are equal, and so there is no room for nationalism, which in essence promotes a condascending mentality that those nations who lack what yours have are objectively inferior. It is all about recognizing what sources all the troubles of humanity-- corruption, not system of government (although it is true that the usual governments we have are necessitated or are of opportunistic construction such that it would appear that they are the cause of trouble ).

 

[Oracle Link]

Ok because my english is bad, I am misunderstood so i just delete this!