About the fire spike...

[BigHairyFart]

I'm sure we all know that Toon Link's D-Air has a little fire hitbox in the hilt that sends the enemy straight down. My question is if anyone has figured out some good combos leading into it, on-stage OR off. Nothing makes you feel cooler than when you land the spike offstage, but the long animation of the move makes it VERY risky to try to pull off. Any tips on how to land it off-stage, NOT out of a combo, but when the enemy is trying to recover?

 

[Juushichi]

bair can sometimes link into it

 

[B.W.]

Best tip is, unless you're feeling godlike, don't try it offstage by itself. Combos only. It's not very hard to beat out, and should your opponent hit you while you try to fire spike them you might screw yourself.

 

[Jolteon]

You can link it from arrows, also.

 

[Skootarius]

I know this is an older thread BUT, my thoughts on the fire spike are mostly negative. I LOVE the d-tilt spike! On a selection of characters I can hit it consistently enough that is a good spike off stage, and a good set up for up-B on stage. The fire spike from the d--air however (in my experience) has saved my opponents for more commonly than it has killed them. With the force of the spike launching them downwards, rather than killing upwards w/o the spike, it's commonly saved them from dying to 100%+ d-airs, by putting them down rather than up.

Any thoughts?

 

[internetmovieguy]

I know this is an older thread BUT, my thoughts on the fire spike are mostly negative. I LOVE the d-tilt spike! On a selection of characters I can hit it consistently enough that is a good spike off stage, and a good set up for up-B on stage. The fire spike from the d--air however (in my experience) has saved my opponents for more commonly than it has killed them. With the force of the spike launching them downwards, rather than killing upwards w/o the spike, it's commonly saved them from dying to 100%+ d-airs, by putting them down rather than up.

Any thoughts?

Considering how small a hit box it is and that it's in toon link's mop, i don't think anyone can complain that its hurting their game.
How are you trying to land the move?
If your comboing into it from a back air you might want to think about using an up air or even a spin attack instead of a down air.

 

[Skootarius]

I've stopped trying to use it as a spike considering both the risk that it has is using ineffectively, and it's effective inconstancy. Most of the time I find other moves to be better at killing in the same situations. The one place I can get the fire spike semi-consistently is after a downthrown on a low %age opponent or fast faller, but usually I'm not going for the spike then, I'd rather knock them up.

I mainly posted here to see if there was a trick, or hints to using it effectively. So far I see it only as a hindrance, when it seems like it can be such a strength if mastered.

 

[OkamiBW]

U-throw -> D-air on fast fallers seems to fire spike pretty easily around 130-150%.

 

[PastLink]

U-throw -> D-air on fast fallers seems to fire spike pretty easily around 130-150%.

found something similar on samus. Dthrow> Dair, hits with fire spike, > fast fall to hit with the pogo and send her flying. i'm sure it doesn't just apply to her

 

[BJN39]

Well, unless something has changed since I did this, these should work on heavies:

(Note: the asterisk afer DAir means I'm talking about DAir Sweetspot)

Utilt > DAir* - The move is fast enough that at mid % it could work.

Usmash > DAir* - It works a little earlier than utilt, but is a slightly longer move, thus, possibly less reliable.

Dthrow > DAir* - You'll have to follow their DI, this one is less safe and not very useful as it only starts working well when a grab could lead into a KO instead.

Honestly, I just love pulling off a DAir*, It would've been cool if it was a true spike, but I guess the high KB and suprie factor does well enough.

 

[Jolteon]

You cannot MC his dair.

 

[PastLink]

You cannot MC his dair.

MC?

 

[Jolteon]

Meteor cancel.

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

utilt -> dair is easiest to me at 90%.


lol my post is so useless

 

[BJN39]

You cannot MC his dair.

Really? Because if it were following YL's design (Which the move originally did) then it would be MC-able. I wanna see the data now, because any move with a 270 degree hit-angle should technically be a meteor, and thus, MC-able.

But hey, I always thought it should've been a spike, so I don't mind.

 

[Jolteon]

Really? Because if it were following YL's design (Which the move originally did) then it would be MC-able. I wanna see the data now, because any move with a 270 degree hit-angle should technically be a meteor, and thus, MC-able.

But hey, I always thought it should've been a spike, so I don't mind.

Toon Link's fire sweetspot has an angle of 630, not 270, so it falls well outside of the meteor range.

 

[BJN39]

Toon Link's fire sweetspot has an angle of 630, not 270, so it falls well outside of the meteor range.

Oh yeah, okay. I asked Magus about that some time ago so I know about that over 360 thing. Cool, I never knew.

It makes me wonder then if Zelda's DAir sweetspot may be a spike as well...