HiddenBowser
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I stand by my post.
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A Competitive Jigglypuff Guide For Smashboards
- Thread starter illinialex24
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illinialex24
Smash Hero
Right but anyone who anticipates the second hit will just not come in. And wait for the lag after the second hit. Or pound in.
Tarmogoyf
Smash Master
Exactly. It seems very unlikely that someone would walk into the 2nd hit after missing the first.
HiddenBowser
Smash Master
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I've seen that **** land before. It's probably a little more difficult to land on jiggs vs the rest of the cast, but if TL starts fsmash as you're wiffing a pound, you could get hit.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, that really screws you over. Same with a fair. I've been Falcon Punched before if I wiff a fair. Not pretty.
Veril
Frame Savant
I've grab-released Wario into rest on multiple occasions. I like my WL > gr-rest vs. Wario best since its certain death around 65% with the 3 pummels you can get in.
PND
Smash Champion
I would wager an amendment to the Diddy Kong "stage to ban" section. A lot of Diddy users swear by FD being their best stage, but I know a few notable ones do not. Diddy has kill issues, and the large killzones force him to work extra hard for the damage to kill. Normally this is circumvented by using nanners to their optimum efficiency, but take into consideration that nanners are not a problem for a Jiggs. Not only that, the lack of platforms makes it harder for Diddy to hit his killing aerials. As well, the lip may ruin his recovery as we can chase him, essentially forcing his recovery angle.
Veril
Frame Savant
I agree. Diddy's banana game is useless against Jiggs. His best KO move on Jiggs is his d-smash and that isn't that hot. Jiggs can go toe to toe with just about anyone in the air. Final D is fine for Jiggs in this matchup.
Glick
Smash Lord
Ninjalink consistently ***** my jigglypuff. I don't know if theres just a vast skill difference, but I'm really bad with that matchup.
HiddenBowser
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No offense, but that probably says more about the gap in your overall thinking processes than the matchup.
Glick
Smash Lord
Gee thanks.
I just always think that good diddys are a step ahead of me. I have no problem with other match ups that require outsmarting.
I just always think that good diddys are a step ahead of me. I have no problem with other match ups that require outsmarting.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
It could also mean that NinjaLink is amazing. Just saying....
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Very nice guide!
edit: I was looking at the match ups and noticed that Falco is 7-3. I think the match up is pretty even, maybe 55-45 falco. I always feel safer picking Jiggs over Pika in this match up. Dunno why, that's just my opinion.
edit: I was looking at the match ups and noticed that Falco is 7-3. I think the match up is pretty even, maybe 55-45 falco. I always feel safer picking Jiggs over Pika in this match up. Dunno why, that's just my opinion.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
Still talkin about te diddy matchup.......jeebus. I thought everyone has moved on from that.
Veril
Frame Savant
Veril
Frame Savant
OK, please at least credit me with the wavelanding thing. I don't want tp be a b**** but I want recognition.
The new Jigglypuff picture is adorable. I'm having a friend (who owes me favors) draw me a Jiggs picture as well, though more along the lines of my avatar
2 captions, Jiggs dashing towards an unsuspecting Snake, along the ground in a puff of dust in caption 1. Caption 2 is Jigglypuff covered in blood, sleeping, with Snake bits flying through the air.
Artist friends are good to have sometimes.
The new Jigglypuff picture is adorable. I'm having a friend (who owes me favors) draw me a Jiggs picture as well, though more along the lines of my avatar
2 captions, Jiggs dashing towards an unsuspecting Snake, along the ground in a puff of dust in caption 1. Caption 2 is Jigglypuff covered in blood, sleeping, with Snake bits flying through the air.
Artist friends are good to have sometimes.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
It was discovered the day Brawl came out....... I give recognition for new techniques and all that.
Veril
Frame Savant
yeah, true. Everyone ignored it though.
And... There's video proof of the existence of interrupts and grab-releases. So MrEh should get some kind of mention as well.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah good idea
Veril
Frame Savant
don't you think those videos are redundant given the stickied video thread?
I just have a couple questions to those who use jiggs a whole lot. Bear with me with these questions.
How viable is dair as a tool to gimp people? I just want to know some people's opinions, because I do it all the time because it goes through many recoveries if spaced right, and at most clashes (which gives you a huge advantage). if they DI wrong, it could lead to gimps or even stage spikes (for me, anways. I don't know if there's a special way the opponent could DI to make dair less useful or something)
Another is, how important is SDI to jigglypuff exactly? It's just because I like the attack stick on the cstick, because it allows me to use non downward DI aerials really easily, which helps me a lot in certain situations. I read some of the threads on rest counters and everything, and was wondering: is control stick DI enough to still pull ahead with Jigglypuff? Or is SDI really that indispensable?
Last is, what are some jigglypuff user's thought's on nair exactly? I just need to know, because I've been unsure on the subject. frankly, after a bair or (mistake) fair, I sometimes jump+nair if I think I came in too close. I'm just wondering if that is an ok thing to do. I also like to gimp with nair almost as much as Dair, because it requires less precision to hit and clashing, and could eat the jump/recovery of opponents and allow for an edge hog.
I just want to know some people's thoughts/stances on things so I know which moves are wiser to use. I think I read a lot of the informative jiggs threads before, so I hope this wasn't answered numerous times or something and i missed it (if so, I'd be happy if you provide a link).
How viable is dair as a tool to gimp people? I just want to know some people's opinions, because I do it all the time because it goes through many recoveries if spaced right, and at most clashes (which gives you a huge advantage). if they DI wrong, it could lead to gimps or even stage spikes (for me, anways. I don't know if there's a special way the opponent could DI to make dair less useful or something)
Another is, how important is SDI to jigglypuff exactly? It's just because I like the attack stick on the cstick, because it allows me to use non downward DI aerials really easily, which helps me a lot in certain situations. I read some of the threads on rest counters and everything, and was wondering: is control stick DI enough to still pull ahead with Jigglypuff? Or is SDI really that indispensable?
Last is, what are some jigglypuff user's thought's on nair exactly? I just need to know, because I've been unsure on the subject. frankly, after a bair or (mistake) fair, I sometimes jump+nair if I think I came in too close. I'm just wondering if that is an ok thing to do. I also like to gimp with nair almost as much as Dair, because it requires less precision to hit and clashing, and could eat the jump/recovery of opponents and allow for an edge hog.
I just want to know some people's thoughts/stances on things so I know which moves are wiser to use. I think I read a lot of the informative jiggs threads before, so I hope this wasn't answered numerous times or something and i missed it (if so, I'd be happy if you provide a link).
Veril
Frame Savant
I'll take that one. Rest counters aside, SDI is necessary for Jigglypuff. You need as many tools as possible for... not dying. Playing Jigglypuff without SDI is impossible against certain characters.
Hmm, that's what I thought. I was testing out attack stick with jigglypuff for a little while, but was just wondering how necessary it was for SDI. non-DI dair did feel nice, though, but I stopped using it a couple weeks ago for that reason. Impossible?.. Hmmm >_<
Thanks for responding (and so fast, too...!)
Hope I can get some of my other questions answered by some people tomorrow (well, technically today for me =/)
Thanks for responding (and so fast, too...!)
Hope I can get some of my other questions answered by some people tomorrow (well, technically today for me =/)
Tarmogoyf
Smash Master
Ok. Sourspotted Nair offstage ***** characters with horizontal recoveries. Or spacies. They just kinda drop down. It also sets itself up for another one if they mess up. Or a footstool. It's amazing offstage.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Dair isnt a very good gimp tool except against a few recoveries, all star fox or link related. But nair is very good in gimping a lot of recoveries and really helps.
Don't forget lucario, bowser, Dk, and
Veril
Frame Savant
oh, I'm going through the rest KO% to account for new stuff:
MK = 65%
MK = 65%
Glick
Smash Lord
You're very wrong
Good to know?
could you explain where else we can use it Also does anyone think that maybe if you were to DI down a rising drill kick you could float in mid air?
kthnksby
illinialex24
Smash Hero
How so? It generally isnt very good against anyone but limited reovery or Pit's. It can be useful on ROB but....
PND
Smash Champion
Nah, bair and ff-fair is your best option against a ROB. Niko and I discussed this, the ROB that I play, in all likelihood, is the 2nd best ROB in the world. Like, think Holy Nightmare with a bit less experience. When I gimp him (rare) it's because I read when he was going to recover high/low. If I go to dair, he drops and nairs or Uairs or he simply airdodges past it. I could be using it wrong, and I hope I am, but right now I don't see dair as good versus ROB.
It's good on other recoveries, but not all. I vastly prefer nair in the majority of matchups, but dair most certainly has its uses.
It's good on other recoveries, but not all. I vastly prefer nair in the majority of matchups, but dair most certainly has its uses.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
This. Dair is great for a few things but is very limited because it puts your opponent in a better position than you.
PND
Smash Champion
Yeah, but if you play a player with good DI that won't happen. They'll DI out and the situation is reset.
I decided to take you up on this. I'm a trash tier specialist :D
I have Yoshi for MK and Wario
Link as a main and for Snake
I need something for ROB and Falco
I don't know how jiggs does against ROB but I was told that out of all of the crappy characters (no offense but jiggs isn't good) that Jiggs has a shot at taking falco.
Thus I will be reading the guide and try to learn jiggs sometime this week.
Thank you all.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Jigglypuff does fairly well against ROB and has a chance if you can perfectly edgeguard against Falco, but don't get your hopes up. However, she does amazingly against Diddy and very good against MK. So good luck. And thanks for doing the same as me lol
Well I guess she can be my diddy counter. I kinda need to fill that spot. I almost beat Chompy by spamming with Link but I can see how jiggs can fight Diddy.
TY. O and good guide. (I just skimmed it)
BTW. I don't know if it was mentioned but can jiggs glide toss?
TY. O and good guide. (I just skimmed it)
BTW. I don't know if it was mentioned but can jiggs glide toss?