A challenge to all wavedashers...

phantomphungus · Dec 23, 2007

First, I appologize if there is a thread for this (I searched and didn't find one) or if this is to small for it's own thread. I am a noob and this is my first thread.

We all know already that brawl does not have wavedathing, right? I have seen posts from various members of this sight saying things like: "No wavedashing? I'm sticking with melee," or "I'm so angry there is no wavedashing. I'm still going to get brawl though."

Now for the challenge. I am currently doing this, and you should too. It's like a diet program to lose those extra pounds of wavedashing. Get used to playing without wavedashing. This is the thread that you can post how many matches you have done without wavedashing starting the time you subscribed to this thread, and you can feel proud of yourself. If you are still going to competetive tourneys, you might not want to do this; or you can spread the word of this challenge and say that you are doing it to other tourney goers to encourage them; or you could host your very own tourneys, with no wavedashing ("Waveless melee tournaments. For a better brawling future").

Whether you do this or not, I suggest you at least try one match without wavedashing, just to see how it feels. It wont be as much of a shock to you when you pick up brawl that way. At least comment on my idea, and whether or not anyone should try it.

Until then, have a great time (not) wavedashing! :psycho:

Edit: People are missunderstanding my intentions with this thread. I'm not trying to get you to train in melee for brawl, as I know that is utterly useless. I am just trying to get people to stop wavedashing, nothing else. Is that so rong?

The Hypnotist · Dec 23, 2007

Peach can still wavedash. Besides Melee is not Brawl. and we enjoy playing Melee.

phantomphungus · Dec 23, 2007

The Hypnotist said:
Peach can still wavedash. Besides Melee is not Brawl. and we enjoy playing Melee.

Yeah, your right. Oh well, I hope other people respond to this thread! I feel so proud of myself! :psycho:

The Hypnotist · Dec 23, 2007

I mean, it's a good concept. But you have to remeber us practicing Melee is not helping much in Brawl besides tech skill and knowing movesets. The combos will be different and everything, And not wavedashing and playing Melee the way we do would not be very fun to us (me?).

Someguy13 · Dec 23, 2007

The Hypnotist said:
I mean, it's a good concept. But you have to remeber us practicing Melee is not helping much in Brawl besides tech skill and knowing movesets. The combos will be different and everything, And not wavedashing and playing Melee the way we do would not be very fun to us (me?).

Well its a good idea to not wavedash in melee so you dont try it out of habbit in Brawl. I havent wavedashed in Melee since I heard that wavedashing is out I dont play any better or worse than when I played with it. Its exactly the same as if I did wavedash except just a little slower but yeah melee isnt really the best thing to train for brawl with so a few weeks before Brawl Im gunna stop playing Melee.

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

Practicing in Brawl has a minuscule effect. Brawl's engine was re-worked, so doing the moves in Melee would be obsolete in Brawl. Timing is different, Jumping and gravity is different, Hitboxes are different, and Movement is also different.

It's actually best not to practice in melee, as for you might get too accustomed to that style of gameplay, then when you are taken into a new environment, it would require more getting familiar with. Most people who played at E for All stated the characters felt more loose, slower, jump higher, and what not. So, Doing the combos you once did in Melee could be rendered useless in Brawl.

Just a thought.

AlphaZealot · Dec 23, 2007

Peach can wavedash in brawl?

YES!

Xanderous · Dec 23, 2007

There's no challenge to that.

Demon Kirby · Dec 23, 2007

The Hypnotist said:
Peach can still wavedash.

Kweh?

Maybe I'll still be using Peach, then.

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

Someone found out how to wavedash with Peach in just a 2 minute item frenzy Demo at E for All?

Interesting.

TheMagicalKuja · Dec 23, 2007

Wait what

When was this confirmed?

Jumpinjahosafa · Dec 23, 2007

Now everyones only going to use peach. Kinda funny.

I'll be enjoying myself with other characters.

And I can't wait to play on line, and watch the first wavedasher try to wavedash against me in Brawl from habit..

A nice taunt and meteor pwn will be a great victory..

Demon Kirby · Dec 23, 2007

Jumpinjahosafa said:
Now everyones only going to use peach. Kinda funny.

I was a Peach/Jigglypuff user in Melee, so of course I'm going tobe using them.

I'll be maining DeDeDe though (I bet you could have never guessed that!).

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

Err, I don't think The Hypnotist would make a blatant assumption like that, so perhaps it is true.

But I would like to see some official approval stating peach can wavedash. I don't remember it being confirmed. Maybe I could be wrong.

Phlemingo · Dec 23, 2007

Yoshi can wavedath too.

phantomphungus · Dec 23, 2007

Wow, I'm surprised how off topic this thread got and how fast it did.

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

Phlemingo said:
Yoshi can wavedath too.

Is there a thread on these?

Ruggeth · Dec 23, 2007

And so can fox.

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Just kidding.

ShortFuse · Dec 23, 2007

I play Marth in Melee. One of my strongest points is spacing. Wavedashing gives me that small adjust for tipper (which is really important for offensive Marth play). But I've been using Wavedashing less and less because I've been using Pivot more. Pivot is SOO much better than wavedashing in my ways, especially with the dreaded "My back is turned to my opponent and he's right next to me." Dashing is faster than wavedashing from neutral stance. I can run and come back with a Pivot-Smash or Pivot-Tilt.

I used to use wavedashing A LOT as Marth but Pivot is the new technique. For ledge grab, bAir or backB will turn Marth around in mid-air to grab the ledge. Since Pivot is still in (as is dashdance) i'm not too concerned about wavedashing being gone. I'm more concerned as to whether or not Marth will be back. Sure Ike is a Roy replacement (power > speed) but it doesn't completely rule our Marth or another simliar disjointed hitbox speedy character.

But having Wavedashing out will only make you practice more on Pivot attacks. It'll up the skill level and give greater gap to highly technical pros. Anyone can wavedash, but can you Pivot with consistency?

Phlemingo · Dec 23, 2007

Tobi- said:
Is there a thread on these?

Yeth there is. check the Genewal Bwal Dithcusion forums and look under Yoshi's forum.

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

Phlemingo said:
Yeth there is. check the Genewal Bwal Dithcusion forums and look under Yoshi's forum.

If you say so. I will check.

Zankoku · Dec 23, 2007

Gimpy thread:

On a side note (something we didn't really have time to experiment with) it seems like peach would legitimately be able to wave dash back and forth because of this technique combined with the shortened height of float canceling, which means that peach (or somebody else with a double jump cancel, if other characters can do it) will be able to wave dash back and forth quickly

Phlemingo · Dec 23, 2007

Ankoku said:
Gimpy thread:

I hope thats true.

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

It looks like I made a big mistake in calling this wavedashing. Now very few know what I am pointing out in the video...

What I am saying is basically: Yoshi looks like he can air dodge downwards after a jump by pressing the shield button IMMEDIATELY after doing a double jump because the slight movement downwards from Yoshi's second jump will be considered when air dodging but it will ignore the "go up" part after the second jump. This means that Yoshi might be able to air dodge diagonally downwards near the ground, and might be able to slide from the momentum, like wavedashing did in Melee...

Well, Based on what he said it may be true.

But for right now it just sounds like a highly approved theory or speculation. It isn't set in stone yet.

Shadow312 · Dec 23, 2007

What exactly is wavedashing? I never understood all these terms and little things you could do and still play well with melee. I know its when the smoke comes out but how does one perform it?

Mattnumbers · Dec 23, 2007

yes, peach can wavedash but only back and forth quickly. you have to shorthopfloat very close to the ground and do her bair. So yes, she can wavedash but it won't be nearly as useful as in melee.

anyways; I haven't been wavedashing since I heard there was none in brawl. It's not really that hard, I don't know why we need a support group for it.

antimatter · Dec 23, 2007

i frankly dont care. wavedashing is unneeded. i only care about summoning team star fox with fox, but due to the side taunts that can no longer happen.

Anth0ny · Dec 23, 2007

I've actually been playing without wavedashing lately. Well, at least I try not to wavedash. Less than usual, at least.

lavamage · Dec 23, 2007

I am not a pro by any means, but I only use WD to
A-Edgehog
Or B-When I happen to het a tiny mushroom, or I randomly decide to play tiny melee, WD is epic when your tiny.

Zankoku · Dec 23, 2007

Matt2358 said:
yes, peach can wavedash but only back and forth quickly. you have to shorthopfloat very close to the ground and do her bair. So yes, she can wavedash but it won't be nearly as useful as in melee.

I don't remember Peach's wavedash being very useful in Melee, either.

Dagingabreadman · Dec 23, 2007

Tobi- said:
Practicing in Brawl has a minuscule effect. Brawl's engine was re-worked, so doing the moves in Melee would be obsolete in Brawl. Timing is different, Jumping and gravity is different, Hitboxes are different, and Movement is also different.

It's actually best not to practice in melee, as for you might get too accustomed to that style of gameplay, then when you are taken into a new environment, it would require more getting familiar with. Most people who played at E for All stated the characters felt more loose, slower, jump higher, and what not. So, Doing the combos you once did in Melee could be rendered useless in Brawl.

Just a thought.

As for training in melee having no plus effects in brawl, I think that is incorrect. While the combos and move damage may be different, its still good to learn timing. While the timing is different in brawl, mastering the timing in melee may actually increase your reflex time, making brawl even easier to learn.

Ginj

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

While the timing is different in brawl, mastering the timing in melee may actually increase your reflex time

how can it increase your reflex time if the timing is off? that means you'd have to get adjusted to how each character reflexs again. If you mean mentally it increases your reflex time, it may or may not. It depends on how different brawl is.

gigasteve · Dec 23, 2007

I not only practice not wavedashing, i've tried to use a Wii-mote setup (dang L button).

UltimateShinigami · Dec 23, 2007

Tobi- said:
how can it increase your reflex time if the timing is off? that means you'd have to get adjusted to how each character reflexs again. If you mean mentally it increases your reflex time, it may or may not. It depends on how different brawl is.

he's trying to say that since melee seems to be faster do to more gravity and whatnot, if you practice there, the slow-down to brawl will be easy as pie because you'll feel like you have all the time in the world to react

Speedsk8er · Dec 23, 2007

I'm gonna try this. and I main IC. D:

Tobi- · Dec 23, 2007

UltimateShinigami said:
he's trying to say that since melee seems to be faster do to more gravity and whatnot, if you practice there, the slow-down to brawl will be easy as pie because you'll feel like you have all the time in the world to react

But the same can be said for you're opponent,so they cancel out.

HarryTheChin · Dec 23, 2007

I barely wavedash. :psycho:

I still have fun with it though.

MookieRah · Dec 23, 2007

You do know that it's really not all that hard for a competitive player not to wave dash right? Especially those who are veterans. It really won't take more than an afternoon of playing to break the habbit and learn the new l-canceling and all that.

bad a$$ mutha 4000 · Dec 23, 2007

I don't wavedash mostly because I never practice it. Mostly, because I find it too difficult plus I have beaten a friend who is a wavedasher without using wavedash myself. I know I am a little off topic and probably sound like a n00b to some or maybe even all of you. To me, it doesn't matter if wavedashing isn't in brawl because I don't use it.

Mobbin · Dec 23, 2007

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCFXrdoEybw

Oh noes! Did Diddy a WL at the end?

Wavelanding is in :O no wai!

(SCNR)

I hope WD will be added, though it was not in the demo. And I rarely play SSBM atm, so I won't stop wavedashing :chuckle:

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