8/18 C3's Official August Adios FULL RESULTS 58 entrants MD/VA

[Renegade]

Bracket Play Single Elim



1.M2K
2. Azen (by M2K)
3. Chu (by Azen) (defeated KM for 3rd)
4. KM (by M2K)
5. Cort (by KM) (defeated husband for 5th)
5. Doll (by M2K) (defeated velocity for 5th)
7. Husband (by Azen)
7. Velocity (by Chu)


9th
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G-Reg (by Doll)
Aho (by Cort)
Plank (by KM)
Omni (by Husband)
Meep (by Azen)
Kaiser (by Velocity)

15th
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Korn (by Doll)
Cactaur (by G-reg)
Tope (by Cort)
Lord Knight (by Plank)
Redd (by Husband)
Woz (by Velocity)

21st
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Alex Triad (by Plank)
Nelo (by Husband)
Frozen (by Korn)
HAT (by velocity)
Aero (by Cort)
Anden (by Woz)
Onyx (by Redd)
Sav-edge (by Lord Knight)


Pool Play

5-0
Chu
M2K

4-1
Omni
KM
Azen
Doll
Aho
G-reg
Meep
Tope
Kaiser
Cactuar

3-2
Plank
Husband
Nelo
Velocity
Korn
Cort
Woz
Onyx
HAT
LordKnight
Redd
Savedge
Anden
Frozen
Alex Triad
Aero

2-3
5% tax
YO
Raikou
Boss
ZM2004
Zeros
Splode
ChaosKnight
Mariomace
FOB
TDFX
Brum
Mythix
Okin
Fats
Btree
Tenken

1-4
Deathkitten
Steve H
Dreadlord
DaShizzi
Nacker
Repryx
Tak$

0-5
Zeps
Andrew Bland

SmashGOD and LLOD left early


Round 1 0-0
Chu d. YO
Mario Mace d. Death Kitten
Woz d. Raikou
Doll d. Hope
Cort d. TDFX
Nelo d. Tak$
Tope d. Andrew Bland
Husband d. HAT
Lord Knight d. Zeros
5% Tax d. Tenken
KM d. ZM 2004
Cactaur d. ChaosKnight
Aho d. Steve Harrison
M2K d. Repryx
Boss d. Fats
Anden d. Okin
Meep d. Dreadlord Santa
Omni d. Mythix
Sav-Edge d. Splode
G-reg d. Zeps
Plank d. LLOD
FOB d. REI
Kaiser d. Brum
Korn d. Dashizzi
Redd d. Alex Triad
Velocity d. Btree
Smash God d. Frozen
Azen d. Aero

Round 2.

1-0 pool
Chu d. MarioMace
Doll d. Woz
Cort d. Nelo
Husband d. Tope
Lord Knight d. 5% Tax
KM d. Cactaur
Aho d. ZM2004(0-1)
Azen d. Smash God
Redd d. Velocity
Korn d. Kaiser
Plank d. FOB
G-reg d. Sav-edge
Omni d. Onyx
Meep d. Anden
M2K d. Boss

0-1 pool
Fats d. Repryx
Okin d. Dreadlord
Nacker d. Mythix
Splode d. Zeps
LLOD d REI
DaShizzi d. Brum
Alex Triad d. Btree
Aero d. Frozen
YO d. Death Kitten
Raikou d. Hope
TDFX d. Tak$
HAT d. Zeros
AHO (1-0) d ZM2004
Steve H d. Tenken
CK d. Andrew B

ROUND 3

2-0 pool
Chu d. Doll
Cort d. Aho
KM d. Lord Knight
Azen d. Redd
Plank d. Korn
Omni d. G-reg
M2K d. Meep
Husband d. ChaosKnight (1-1)

1-1 pool
Mario Mace d TDFX
Woz d. HAT
Nelo d. Steve H
Tope d. YO
Raikou d. 5%tax
Cactaur d. Alex Triad
Aero d. Smash God
Velocity d. LLOD
Kaiser d. DaShizzi
FOB d. Nacker
Sav-edge d. Okin
ONyx d. Fats
Anden d. Splode
Boss d. Andrew(0-2)
Husband (2-0) d. CK

0-2 pool
Dreadlord d. Repryx
Mythix d. Zeps
Brum d. REI
Frozen d. Btree
DeathKitten d. Hope
ZM2004 d. Tenken
Zeros d. Tak$
Boss d. Andrew B

ROUND 4

3-0 Pool
Chu d. Cort
KM d. Azen
Omni d. Plank
M2k d. Husband

2-1 Pool
Doll d. Boss
Aho d. Raikou
Cactuar d. Lord Knight
Kaiser d. Redd
Korn d. Sav-edge
G-reg d. Fats (1-2)
Meep d. Mario Mace
Woz d. Onyx
Tope d. Anden
Velocity d. Aero
Nelo d. FOB

1-2 Pool
ZM2004 d. TDFX
HAT d. Deathkitten
Frozen d. SteveH
YO d. Brum
5% d. Mythix
Alex Triad d. Dreadlord
Zeros d. Okin
CK d. Dashizzi
Splode d. Nacker
G-reg (2-1) d. Fats

0-3 Pool
Repryx d. Zeps
Btree d. REI
Tenken d. Hope
Tak$ d. Andrew B


Round 5
4-0 pool
Chu d. KM
M2K d. Omni

3-1 Pool
Doll d. FOB (2-2)
Aho d. Plank
Cactuar d. Nelo
Kaiser d. Velocity
Tope d. Korn
G-reg d. Cort
Meep d. Husband
Azen d. Woz

2-2 pool
Onyx d. 5% tax
HAT d. YO
Lord K d. Raikou
Redd d. Boss
Savedge d. ZM2004
Anden d. Zeros
Frozen d. Splode
Alex Triad d. ChaosKnight
Aero d. Mariomace
Doll (3-1) d. FOB

1-3 pool
TDFX d. Deathkitten
Brum d. Steve H
Mythix d. Dreadlord
Okin d. DaShizzi
Fats d. Nacker
Btree d. Repryx
Tenken d. Tak$

0-4 pool
REI d. Zeps
Hope d. Andrew B



Teams
23 Teams
1st M2K+Cort
2nd ChuTope
3rd KM+Omni
4th Azen+Anden
5th: Aho/Plank
5th: G-regulate/Kirbstir
7th: GroomGreen
7th: Wot+Redd

9th
Korn+FOB, Im Awesome, CK+Aero, Doll+Edge

13th
Princess, TuffFlomo, Mario, I'm 2 Kool 4U

17th Last Hope, Pink, Nelo+TDFX, Wrath, Okin n YO, Zeros+Zeps, Perfect Storm

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

7th: Wot+Redd

I am indeed Wot. Warrior of Tarona.

 

[Hey_Its_Nacker]

woah D= i only has 4 matches how could i be 1/4 -_-

 

[CopyCat]

7th: Wot+Redd

I am indeed Wot. Warrior of Tarona.

Yes that is your new name lol

 

[Redd]

Woz too good.

Shoutouts later on, going away for the weekend.

 

[Omni]

Round 5
4-0 pool
Chu d. KM
M2K d. Omni

lol, that's my highlight of the tourny.

*Edit* Lmao @ Rei's sig. "I lean away from the mic to breathe"

 

[Reioumu]

I'm ashamed of myself...

 

[linkmastersword]

These have got to be the best results post ever. so **** detailed.

I was wondering why I had to play G-reg even though my record was worse than his. It's just because the pools were uneven


I'm glad I did because it was a fun set

 

[KORNNNNN~]

i thought i got 13th =( but 15th..
oh well..

and yay! for Korn on the FOB :D
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shoutouts!

FUN tourney ! :D its not worthless to took a taxi for this C3..

Renegade - Thanks for hosting this tournament =]
Boss - thanks for a taxi ride lol.... but it so **** expensive
FOB - im glad we got to teaming again :D but we should have play 1on1 >..< lol and ur pierce made me jealous!
Aero - we didnt get to play at all =( but .. you doing SO GOOD against cort's peach + azen's marth good sh*t!!
Tin,5%,Hat - :D nice to see u guys again but we didnt get to play friendly =(
Fats - FUN friendly! ganon ditto was awesome =]
Frozen - Nice Falcon ditto :D you almost got me ... phew
Black rain crews people - lol fun friendly ..always Falco!!
Doll - fun tourney matches =] you peach always doing so good...
Tope - lol.. sheik is GAYYYY!!
Kirbstir + G-red - ..fun doubles second match =] I love how i cancelled g-reg meteor and then i get caught by firefox and game.. lol
DosV - nice to friendly w/ you again :D since we played at Otakon
SmashGOD - your Luigi get a lot better... and fun friendly! :D

 

[-Kazman-]

Those results were amazing.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Awesome results. Shoutouts.. tomorrow? I'll see.

 

[ZeroP]

r there vids? or will some come?

 

[Hydde]

I wanna doa sincere question...............


How the organizers managed to sort the battles in each pool? At random or what? &0 participants are a lot,,, and how they programmed each round in a fast way?

They used some kind of program or something? im very interested in this one... if someone can tell ill be very gratefull

 

[Reioumu]

ZeroP, no vids.

Hydde. It looked like they were done completely by hand.

 

[Hydde]

damm..... im interested in using this mehtod for the first rounds but i have no idea how to manage 60+- people-----

 

[Shinku]

doll really is amazing. good **** korn

 

[Renegade]

I wanna doa sincere question...............


How the organizers managed to sort the battles in each pool? At random or what? &0 participants are a lot,,, and how they programmed each round in a fast way?

They used some kind of program or something? im very interested in this one... if someone can tell ill be very gratefull

1. Organizer. Just me.

2. This is called Swiss Pairs Round Robin. It is, without a doubt, the best way to run a tournament given enough time and setups. Especially with some sort of qualifying elimination tourney on the end. Because played out to the end, it's a single elimination tourney, but everyone else keeps playing.

3. I did everything by hand. Including these results. I just don't trust computers, they always wonk things up. Except some small delays in seeding rounds 3 and 4, I think it went failrly smooth. We started late, and singles didn't get going until 4pm or so. Tourney finished at 10pm or so. Not bad for 58 people.

4. As far as the methodology, the goal is to have everyone play someone with a similar record as them. After the first round, you have split pools (0-1) and (1-0), that play each other (just like in double elim). Then you have 3 pools for round 3. 2-0's play each other, 1-1's play each other, and 0-2's play each other.
Tricks are odd # total entrants, and odd #'s in a pool. Odd # of total entrants is a total bummer, and really ****ing annoying. I solve that by having a "wild card" participant. in this case, it was me. If the #'s were odd, I would join the tourney. If not, I would spare myself the embarrassment.
Odd # in a pool is something that happens quite frequently, and easily solved... you just have one match that crosses pools. For instance, G-Reg playing Fats. Now, I didn't do this... but if you HAVE to choose this match, you want
1.someone who would win anyway playing someone who would lose anyway (throwaway match)
2. Someone weak in the upper bracket vs someone strong in the lower bracket (actual meaningful result).

In case 1, the end result is the same, and the tourney moves on. In case 2, the lower bracket may have a valid complaint, as if he loses barely, he probably could have won against many other different players.

But, what makes Swiss so great, is that losses really don't set you back that far until the very end. Look at Frozen.
Narrowly loses to SmashGod, then draws one of the toughest in the 0-1 pool, Aero. He loses again. Normally, that would eliminate anyone from any double elim tourney, and he'd be way out of the running for top 2 in any pool. But He battled back with some grit and luck, beating Btree, Steve H, and Splode to qualify... only to be eliminated by Korn. But he was still alive and had a shot until like... 9pm.

Anyway. Long story short.

It's swiss pairs.

I did it by hand.

I think it rocked, and would love to do it again.

Not to toot my own horn... but I highly doubt many other tourney organizers can do a swiss pairs by hand like this and not completely screw up somewhere. I'm really stoked that I managed this.

Again, a couple of things I wanted to work on

1. making cross pool matches more fair.
2. Really ironing out the final bracket rules (who gets byes, who plays who, etc)

I liked the single elim process at the end, it put some finality to it, but it really was a matter of who ran into m2k when. Guy is a monster... he didn't lose at all. Double elim after all of those pools seems... excessive.

I'll figure it out.

 

[Hydde]

Thanks alot buddy this is exactly what i wanted to read!!!...

Ok so i figured out more or less how you solved the odd numbers in each pool.... Wewill surely have a max number of entrants to have control over it..... If the max number of entrants is not reached, well the trump card would be used.

I have to agree with you that this is the best method by far to get an optimal stadistical result. Is because of it this mehtos took my attention.


Now, im asking you this, because a pal of mine will organize a big smash event in a month and we are figuring which elimination will be the best.

The problems that i see is...
1-if executed poorly... it can take maybe too much time
2-Could be screwed easily if an error is comited :S

The time is an issue....beecause in the final rounds we want to do double elimination but if this method took you almost all day.....welll i think double elimination is not a possibility :S


My friend told me that there is a chance that the tournie will be held in 2 days....saturday will be th first rounds, an sunday the rest of the tornie...... if it is that way, i think we can make it... if it is one day... i think is not possible.


What ill do now i get home.... is to try to parctice this method now that i understand it better.... and see if it can be done effectively.


another question: how many hours it took you to get all the pool five rounds before the single elimination started?


Congrats,,,,, great great organization u got there!

 

[Tope]

Great job Renegade.

It was a lot of fun.

 

[hova]

good shizz

i had a ball

 

[aho43]

Good **** Renegade!

 

[Frozen]

Yeah I think Swiss pairs was absolutely amazing, and i'd love to see it done again....for the people who aren't M2K, they're definitely getting what they paid for....so thanks for using me as an example >.< Barely lost to Aero too btw.... O.o

Speaking of which....good **** to everyone I played....expecially Aero and Korn, those were fun sets.

 

[Velocity]

Aero: funnest set of the day for me, big bang attack
Km: fun friendlies
Kaiser: good matches
Chu: so good
Doll: im going all falco against you next time
Renegede: i love the swiss ; PA/NJ knows why
All the sheiks i played: Die

ill try to be at the next one

 

[FOB]

Velocity was fun for me to watch, its not every day that i get to see good Docs.

uhh Shoutouts?

Korn- Once again too much fun in teams. Sorry about not letting you guys spend the night. It was really freakin sudden. 1v1s would have been fun.
Chu- You're too nice. ^_^
Rei- lol sorry about bothering you guys about our ride. We thought that my brother had made arrangements to get home.
Redd- I suppose I have to pay you back that dollar. Well.. I mean... I ended up getting the fried rice. without B&E'ing someone's base.
Splode, Nacker, all of you guys. - Amazing. You really saved our *****. The car ride was ******** though.
Woz- I never got to see that Woz tang!. ahhg! hahaha
Frozen- You're too nice too.
Doll- You stopped laughing in matches against me now! *greatly saddened*
Hat- UHHG I want to go to Catonsville.... But its too late.... uhhh I wish I could drive.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

SHOUTOUTS?!

Renegade- Good stuff hosting tournament and all
FOB- I didn't even play you
Boss- Good matches! Your Mario/Doc are awesome
Korn- Your Falcon has gotten so much better since we last played omg 2 stock!
Redd- Good stuff. Marth dittos are always fun
Frozen- Good matches. I was impressed with your Falcon
Chu + M2K- Mewtwo and Mewtwo vs. me and g-reg? too good
g-reg- Fun teaming with your Jiggs
M2K- Your Marth is amazing. I learned a lot from our 2 Marth dittos
Azen- I got to play you like 4 times (yay!).. sadly 2 were tourney matches. Actually nvm.. not sadly. Cuz then I know you weren't horribly sandbaggin Ah well, you still kicked my butt
Plank- Were you sandbagging with Sheik against my Luigi? I think you were
Aho- I think you sandbagged with Fox too
Husband- I didnt get to play you.. next time!
KM- Didn't get to play you either.. next time as well!
CK- Stay awake next time we Marth ditto
Aero- Your Jiggs is still awesome. The way you fought my Marth.. Mute City counterpick on Fox lol
5%- Good Pikachu and Sheik. I need to play you more next time
Zeps- Keep up your Fox. Doin' good

Everyone I forgot- Your Mario or Doc or Marth is pretty good. (did anyone play someone else?)

Good stuff everyone!