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That is hardcore.Dang guys, I had worst weekend ever. I was moving apartments, and in the middle lost all my keys and became temporarily homeless until business hours monday.
I've got access to my car and new place now, and broke into my old place to steal the hard drive with the Smash 4 Tier list data on it so I could crank it out tonight. But it looks like you guys already did it! So sorry about all of this mess.
I feel like we should talk about the possibility of legalizing custom moves for specific characters, like Palutena, Wii Fit Trainer, Mii Brawler, Mii Gunner, and Mii Swordfighter for tournaments.
Otherwise, those characters are basically non-existent.
Increasing viability via customs, which is what this argument comes down to, is too arbitrary.Wii Fit's specials are really holding her back. If you looked at how many players used her at EVO, imagine the amount of diversity there would be in the game. Mind you, I'm not asking for this format to be a customs environment. All the members are asking is if we could legalize the customs for Palutena and the Miis.
If you feel Wii Fit should not be discussed, then we can just focus solely on Palutena and the Miis.
This needs to be discussed.I also think the Bowser suicide rule should be important, as it's a really messy rule for some reason (I think it's a pretty cut dry case that Bowser shouldn't get the win if it shows the opponent on the victory screen, but...)
Unless anyone has a reason why we shouldn't, we'll kick off this thread sometime shortly.Okay, let's do the Miis.
Agreed. At the end of the day, it's just how the move works. We shouldn't be giving a pity victory just because Bowser's suicide is bad.This needs to be discussed.
A lot of regions still hold the suicide rule as something even though smash 4 is the first game to make it consistent with the win/loss situation.
Ok that is a bit different.Here's the thing, though: Smash 4 ISN'T consistent with how Koopacide gets treated. And it's an absolute shame that people just don't understand all the facts here.
Bowser does NOT always die first.
It's stage dependent, even differing between Omega stages. And with the last couple patches, now it also seems to be dependent on whether or not it's an air grab or a grounded grab.
Right now there are TWO possible outcomes: Sudden Death, or Bowser dies first.
The move is very, very bugged. The patches have not shown a consistency when it comes to how the move is supposed to function offstage, as some stages that used to be Bowser loses changed to Sudden Death.
As a Bowser main, it's incredibly frustrating, although it's mitigated somewhat by Klaw's vastly increased air speed, giving the opponent less time to gank you. But even more frustrating is that SO many people use the same flawed logic of "this is the way the game was intended" without fully understanding how the move actually works.
I'd say we can start of that thread and one for the Suicide Clause for Bowser? [I'd think it'd be good to cover that]Unless anyone has a reason why we shouldn't, we'll kick off this thread sometime shortly.
You mean basically update the OP with quotes for both sides?I'd say we can start of that thread and one for the Suicide Clause for Bowser? [I'd think it'd be good to cover that]
As for the Mii's, best way I believe we can come to a conclusion after the discussion has taken place is to have the original post be constantly edited. By that I mean, have it formatted were we can accurately see the arguments for their use by the members of the 4BR, arguments against their use, and any relevant factoids that need to be highlighted.
It's kind of weird to me because there is a very doable workaround...I would understand if it isn't really worth talking about here since it's more location based, but do you guys think it could be beneficial to discuss the legality of wireless controllers? Having them banned at some large tournament is annoying when others don't, but if we came to a consensus then maybe TO's would follow suit.
Yeah, I don't see why not.Yes.
That's just unacceptable.I believe he was referring to Wiichuck.
Most people who go to tournaments use GC controllers and aren't TOs.Yeah, I don't see why not.
That's just unacceptable.
But realistically, the Wiimotes are so easy to pop the battery out of.
I think for locals, it's easy enough to legalize all controllers, but for huge events, most don't accept them.
If there is a large enough desire to discuss this though, I'd be interested in counterpoints but ultimately, when a game offers you so many ways to play and you're choosing to be competitive, wired is always the standard.
I'm referring to the standard across games, not just Smash. And yes, TOs, who ultimately don't want delays or matches being interfered, will ban wireless because that's a huge problem and handling this across hundreds or thousands of entrants is not in their range.Most people who go to tournaments use GC controllers and aren't TOs.
I don't have a "counterpoint," but I will say it's easy to think something should be banned or not if its legality wouldn't affect you very much. (Outside of your set being delayed a minute or two every now and then because someone left their wireless controller on.)
Tournaments are getting too big nowadays; its getting too difficult to just tell/trust one person when small locals are 30+, let alone larger events. Plus, you will have people with pro controllers complaining why they can't do wireless if a wii mote setup is allowed.So you'd ban wiimotes too? It's unfortunate that some bad seeds can ruin the bunch. Even then I'm still hopeful of tournaments allowing wiimotes since they're so rarely seen in comparison.