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Important 4BR First Official Tier List Voting

Marc

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As members of the Smash 4 Back Room, there is a role we must all fulfill that is highly recognized amongst the community as not just an expectation of the Back Room, but a standard for the entire scene: we are going to create a tier list for our game, as several SBRs have done before. A tier list is a staple of every competitive fighting game and we have several of the Sm4sh community’s greatest minds back here to make it as accurate as possible. On behalf of the 4BR leadership and SmashBoards Senate, I am glad to get the ball rolling on this.

It took us a while to get started on this project, or even create this room for that matter, because this Smash instalment is unlike any we’ve seen before. Frequent patches, DLC and a large variety of rulesets have made for an unstable metagame up to this point. With Cloud and one of the last patches just released, now seems a good time work on a tier list that is to be released late January, ideally.

Important things to note:
  • Custom moves are generally banned across the world. Assume they are banned with your vote.
  • As of now, the majority of (major) tournaments follows the rules of Miis being legal, but limited to a 1111 moveset. Regardless of your opinion on this, we need to adhere to a standard and have chosen to go with this.
  • Consider the most recent patch.
  • Your tier list vote needs to include all 56 characters that are currently released. Incomplete votes will not be accepted. For reference:

Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Captain Falcon
Captain Olimar
Charizard
Cloud
Dark Pit
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Dr. Mario
Duck Hunt Duo
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Greninja
Ike
Jigglypuff
King Dedede
Kirby
Link
Little Mac
Lucario
Lucas
Lucina
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Mega Man
Meta Knight
Mewtwo
Mii Brawler
Mii Gunner
Mii Swordfighter
Mr. Game & Watch
Ness
Pac-Man
Palutena
Peach
Pikachu
Pit
R.O.B.
Robin
Rosalina
Roy
Ryu
Samus
Sheik
Shulk
Sonic
Toon Link
Villager
Wario
Wii Fit Trainer
Yoshi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus

We acknowledge that it is difficult to strictly order this many characters, some of which recently underwent significant changes. As such, we have come up with a ballot system for the voting process. You are to assign the entire cast to 20 different tiers, highest to lowest. You can place gaps wherever you want and have as many characters ranked the same as you want, just be aware that there is no differentiation within a group. Note that we will still end up with a traditional tier list, this is simply the process of assigning values to characters.

An example vote:

20: Whis
19: Beerus, Champa, SSJ4 Gogeta
18: SSGSS Goku, SSGSS Vegeta, Golden Freeza, Omega Shenron
17: SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ Gogeta, Super Vegito, Super Buu
16:
15: Gohan, Broly, Perfect Cell, Dabura, Super #13, Uub
14: Piccolo, Future Trunks, #17, #18, Meta-Cooler
13: #19, #20, SSJ Bardock
12: Goten, Kid Trunks, King Cold, Cooler
11:
10: Tenshinhan, Krillin, Captain Ginyu
9: Burter, Jeice, Recoome
8: Guldo, Zarbon, Dodoria
7: Bardock, Nappa, Turles
6: Raditz
5:
4: Master Roshi, Jackie Chun, Tao Pai Pai, Yajirobe
3: Chaosu, Yamcha, Chi-Chi, Dende
2: Mr. Satan, Videl
1: Mii Farmer with a Shotgun

You can vote by responding in this thread. Feel free to provide reasoning and argue your opinion in a civil manner. You can keep editing your vote until the deadline, which is currently placed on January 4th, 2016. Don't hesitate to put forward any questions or remarks you might have at this point.
 

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20. Sheik, ZSS
19. RosaLuma
18. Ryu, Fox
17. Ness, Pikachu, Sonic, Mario
16. MetaKnight, Villager, Diddy, Cloud
15.
14. Wario, Ike, Yoshi, R.O.B.
13.
12. Captain Falcon, Dark Pit, Toon Link
11. Pit, Peach, Robin, Lucario
10. Luigi, Donkey Kong, Greninja
9.
8. Falco, Olimar, Pacman, Bowser, Roy, Megaman
7. Kirby, Mr. Game and Watch, Marth, Wii Fit Trainer
6. Bowser Jr., Link, Shulk
5. Lucas, Dr. Mario
4.
3. Mewtwo, Ganon, Mii Swordsman, Palutena, Samus
2. Charizard, Lucina, Little Mac, Jigglypuff
1. DDD, Mii Brawler, Mii Gunner, Zelda, Duck Hunt

Will edit if my thoughts change, obviously.
 
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This is subject to change until the deadline...mainly in the bottom tiers. I really want to do more research with the mewtwo/ganon buffs to see if they get them out of the cellar (In my opinion). I also debating between keeping cloud in 13 or bumping him to 14...its not a huge difference either way but yeah :3


20. :4sheik::rosalina::4zss::4ryu:
19. :4fox:
18. :4pikachu::4ness::4diddy::4sonic::4mario::4yoshi:
17.:4metaknight::4cloud::4falcon:
16. :4rob::4villager:
15.:4luigi::4myfriends::4feroy::4robinm::4greninja::4lucario::4peach:
14.
13. :4kirby::4pit::4darkpit::4falco:
12. :4tlink::4bowser::4olimar:
11.:4dk::4gaw::4wario2:
10.
9.:4pacman::4bowserjr:
8. :4littlemac::4shulk:
7. :4marth::4lucina::4megaman::4link::4lucas:
6.
5. :4miibrawl::4duckhunt::4wiifit:
4.
3. :4mewtwo::4samus::4miigun::4palutena:
2. :4dedede::4charizard::4drmario:
1. :4zelda::4jigglypuff::4ganondorf::4miisword:
 
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Posting something just to lay down. Very possible I will edit.

20 Sheik Sonic Rosa ZSS
19 Mario Fox Pikachu Ryu
18
17 Diddy Villager Ness
16 ToonLink MK DarkPit Pit Cloud
15 Yoshi ROB Luigi Falcon
14 Wario Peach Greninja
13
12 Ike LittleMac DonkeyKong Pacman Lucario
11 Megaman Dr. Mario Bowser Olimar Roy
10 Robin Mr. GaW Kirby
9
8 Wiifit Falco Duckhunt Mewtwo
7 Bowser Jr. DDD Marth
6 Lucas Shulk Lucina MiiSword
5
4 Link Samus Charizard Palutena MiiGunner
3 Jiggs
2 MiiBrawler Ganon
1 Zelda
 
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20 | :4bayonetta::4cloud2::rosalina::4miibrawl:(FSS)
19 | :4diddy::4mario::4zss::4sonic::4sheik:
18 | :4ryu::4ness::4villager::4fox::4pikachu:
17 | :4greninja::4corrinf::4luigi::4rob:
16 | :4metaknight::4yoshi::4falcon::4peach::4mewtwo:
15 | :4wario2::4robinf::4pit::4darkpit::4myfriends::4miibrawl:(FSM)
14 | :4lucario::4dk::4tlink::4miigun:(FSS)
13 | :4megaman::4marth::4pacman::4drmario:
12 | :4kirby::4bowser::4lucina::4link:
11 | :4olimar::4dedede::4falco:
10 | :4lucas::4gaw::4miigun:(FSM)
9 | :4samus: :4miibrawl:(1111)
8 | :4bowserjr::4miisword:(FSS)
7 | :4duckhunt::4miigun:(1111)
6 | :4shulk::4littlemac::4charizard:
5 | :4ganondorf:
4 | :4miisword: (FSM)
3 | :4palutena::4zelda:
2 | :4miisword:(1111)
1 | :4jigglypuff:

Power Ranking | Characters
20 |:4sheik::4zss::rosalina:
19 | :4ryu::4bayonetta::4metaknight::4mario::4sonic::4cloud2:
18 | :4fox::4villager::4pikachu::4diddy::4ness:
17 | :4yoshi::4greninja::4peach::4falcon::4rob::4luigi:
16 | :4wario2::4corrinf::4myfriends::4darkpit::4pit:
15 | :4megaman::4robinf::4lucario::4tlink:
14 | :4feroy::4marth::4pacman::4mewtwo:
13 | :4bowser::4dk::4kirby::4olimar:
12 | :4falco::4lucas::4gaw::4link:
11 | :4dedede::4wiifit::4lucina:
10 | :4drmario::4miibrawl:
9 |
8 | :4bowserjr:
7 | :4miigun::4duckhunt:
6 | :4shulk::4littlemac:
5 | :4charizard:
4 | :4ganondorf:
3 | :4palutena::4miisword:
2 | :4zelda::4samus:
1 | :4jigglypuff:
:4mii: Zone | While Miis aren't decided yet in terms of how we are treating them for this list, I'll at least put listings for Full Set Mid. :4miibrawl: would be 15, :4miigun: would be 11, and :4miisword: would be 6.
Code:
20 :4sheik::4zss::rosalina:
19 :4ryu::4bayonetta::4metaknight::4mario::4sonic::4cloud2:
18 :4fox::4villager::4pikachu::4diddy::4ness:
17 :4darkpit::4pit::4yoshi::4greninja::4peach::4falcon:
16 :4wario2::4luigi::4rob::4corrinf::4myfriends:
15 :4megaman::4robinf::4lucario::4tlink:
14 :4feroy::4marth::4pacman:
13 :4bowser::4dk::4kirby::4olimar:
12 :4falco::4lucas::4gaw:
11 :4dedede::4wiifit::4lucina:
10 :4drmario::4miibrawl:
9:
8 :4bowserjr::4link::4mewtwo:
7 :4miigun::4duckhunt:
6 :4shulk::4littlemac:
5 :4charizard:
4 :4ganondorf:
3 :4palutena::4miisword:
2 :4zelda::4samus:
1 :4jigglypuff:
1.24.15: Finalized.

Power / Tier Designation | Description / Characters
Top Tier (20-18) | The overall best characters for the current metagame. These are characters with very few weaknesses and have incredible matchup spreads with few/no bad matchups.
20 |:4sheik::4zss::rosalina:
19 | :4pikachu::4ryu::4mario::4sonic:
18 | :4fox::4diddy::4ness::4villager::4cloud:
High Tier (17-15) | While they may not have the results or toolsets of the top tiers, these characters certainly are viable. They have good matchup spreads with a handful of less desirable matchups that prevent them from existing in top tier, or toolsets that simply prevent them from doing so. The lines between these characters are likely the smallest in my list.
17 | :4falcon: :4greninja::4metaknight::4darkpit::4pit:
16 | :4wario2::4myfriends::4yoshi::4rob::4peach:
15 | :4luigi::4megaman::4robinm::4lucario:
Upper Mid Tier (14-12) | The Upper Half of the middle tier. These characters, while having good toolsets and decent matchup spreads, have some qualities to them that hinder them.
14 | :4feroy::4pacman::4bowser::4tlink:
13 | :4dk::4kirby::4olimar:
12 | :4falco::4lucas::4gaw:
Lower Mid Tier (11-9) | The Lower Half of the middle tier. Like the upper half, they show promise and some results; however, some seem more suited for niche use and/or suffer from easily exploitable flaws.
11 | :4dedede::4wiifit:
10 | :4duckhunt::4drmario::4miibrawl:
9 | :4bowserjr::4marth::4link:
Low Tier (7-5) | Here's where things get less than favorable. These characters, while having alright toolsets, are often outclassed by other characters and have flaws that hinder them on a noticeable level.
7 | :4miigun::4shulk:
6 | :4lucina::4mewtwo:
5 | :4littlemac:
Unviable Tier (4-1) | The overall worst characters in the game. These characters have some decent abilities and can be used to decent results in the right hands, but they have jarring weaknesses that prevent them from getting serious results. Jigglypuff, to me, is the worst character in this game; marred by bad matchups, a poor kit, and her primary kill move not working until well into an opponent's stock, she suffers tremendously to the point that I have placed her here.
4 | :4charizard::4ganondorf:
3 | :4palutena::4miisword:
2 | :4zelda::4samus:
1 | :4jigglypuff:
:4mii: Zone | While it doesn't affect final rankings, I will at least state where Miis would be if they had full legality (size & moves) in this list. :4miibrawl: would be at 18, :4miigun: would be at 14, and :4miisword: would be at 7.
Code:
20 :4sheik::4zss::rosalina:
19 :4pikachu::4ryu::4mario::4sonic:
18 :4fox::4diddy::4ness::4villager::4cloud:
17 :4falcon::4greninja::4metaknight::4darkpit::4pit:
16 :4wario2::4myfriends::4yoshi::4rob::4peach:
15 :4luigi::4megaman::4robinm::4lucario:
14 :4feroy::4pacman::4bowser::4tlink:
13 :4dk::4kirby::4olimar:
12 :4falco::4lucas::4gaw:
11 :4dedede::4wiifit:
10 :4duckhunt::4drmario::4miibrawl:
9 :4bowserjr::4marth::4link:
8
7 :4miigun::4shulk:
6 :4lucina::4mewtwo:
5 :4littlemac:
4 :4charizard::4ganondorf:
3 :4palutena::4miisword:
2 :4zelda::4samus:
1 :4jigglypuff:

20 |:4sheik::4zss::rosalina:
19 | :4pikachu::4ryu::4mario::4sonic:
18 | :4fox::4diddy::4ness::4villager::4cloud:
17 | :4falcon: :4greninja::4metaknight::4darkpit::4pit:
16 | :4wario2::4myfriends::4yoshi::4rob::4peach:
15 | :4luigi::4megaman::4robinm::4lucario:
14 | :4feroy::4pacman::4bowser::4tlink:
13 | :4dk::4kirby::4olimar:
12 | :4falco::4lucas::4gaw:
11 | :4dedede::4wiifit:
10 | :4duckhunt::4drmario::4miibrawl:
9 | :4bowserjr::4marth::4link:
8 |
7 | :4miigun::4shulk:
6 | :4lucina::4mewtwo:
5 | :4littlemac:
4 | :4charizard::4ganondorf:
3 | :4palutena::4miisword:
2 | :4zelda::4samus:
1 | :4jigglypuff:
 
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20: :4sheik:
19: :4zss::rosalina:
18: :4pikachu::4sonic::4ryu::4villager:
17: :4metaknight::4cloud:
16: :4ness::4fox::4mario::4diddy:
15: :4greninja::4rob::4yoshi:
14: :4wario2::4falcon:
13: :4darkpit::4pit::4peach::4tlink:
12: :4myfriends::4lucario::4dk::4bowser:
11: :4luigi::4olimar::4feroy:
10: :4robinm::4megaman::4pacman:
9: :4gaw::4wiifit::4falco:
8: :4littlemac:
7: :4drmario::4lucas::4bowserjr:
6: :4mewtwo::4duckhunt::4dedede:
5: :4link::4shulk::4marth::4palutena:
4: :4kirby::4miibrawl::4lucina:
3: :4samus:
2: :4ganondorf::4charizard::4miigun:
1: :4jigglypuff::4zelda::4miisword:
 
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Constantly changing in response to new information and whims...

20: Cloud; Diddy; Fox; Sheik; Mario
19: Rosalina; Sonic; ZSS; CF
18: Ryu; Pika; Marth; MK; Bayonetta; Ness
17: Yoshi; Mac; Luigi; R.O.B.; Ike; Mewtwo; Corrin; Toon; Greninja; DK; Peach; Lucas; Robin
16: Villager; MM; Lucina; Pit; Dark Pit; Bowser; Lucario; Wario; Link
15: Doc; DHD; Wii-Fit; DDD; Palutena; Olimar; G&W; Kirby; Shulk; Falco; Roy; Bowser Jr
14: Pac-Man; Zelda; Ganon; Samus; Charizard; Jiggs
13:
12:
11:
10:
9:
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7:
6:
5:
4:
3:
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20. :4sheik::4zss:
19. :rosalina::4pikachu::4mario:
18. :4sonic::4fox::4ryu::4metaknight:
17. :4cloud::4ness::4diddy:
16.
15.:4villager::4yoshi::4falcon::4luigi:
14. :4wario2::4peach: :4rob::4olimar:
13. :4darkpit::4pit::4myfriends::4dk::4lucario:
12.
11. :4pacman::4megaman::4greninja::4tlink:
10. :4bowserjr::4robinm::4gaw:
9. :4marth::4kirby::4feroy:
8.
7. :4shulk::4lucas::4palutena:
6. :4falco::4wiifit: :4duckhunt:
5:4link::4bowser::4dedede::4littlemac:
4.
3. :4miibrawl::4samus::4drmario::4mewtwo:
2. :4charizard: :4lucina::4miisword::4ganondorf:
1. :4jigglypuff::4zelda::4miigun:
 
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Tiers are in alphabetical order.
Subject to change etc.
I've got no idea about post-patch Lucas, Mewtwo, Bowser and the Mii's.

EDIT:
Thinkaman Thinkaman , good point, I don't believe there are that many gaps. Edited, also moved a few characters up and down.


20.:4sheik: :4zss:
19.:rosalina: :4sonic:
18. :4mario::4villager:
17.:4diddy::4fox: :4metaknight::4ness::4pikachu::4ryu:
16.:4cloud::4peach::4darkpit: :4pit:
15. :4falcon: :4greninja: :4olimar: :4tlink:
14. :4lucario::4luigi::4wario::4yoshi:
13. :4rob:
12.:4dk::4myfriends: :4wiifit:
11. :4gaw::4megaman::4pacman::4robinm::4feroy:
10.:4bowserjr::4duckhunt::4lucas:
9. :4bowser: :4link::4mewtwo:
8.
7.:4dedede: :4drmario::4littlemac::4marth::4palutena::4shulk:
6. :4falco::4kirby::4lucina:
5. :4charizard::4samus:
4. :4jigglypuff::4ganondorf::4miigun::4miisword::4miibrawl:
3.
2.
1.:4zelda:
 
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A methodology complaint, just to continue being a stick-in-the-mud: Does anyone *actually* think there are giant gaps in the data?

Assuming the roster is anywhere close to a normal distribution (which it assuredly is), the gaps between the characters is going to be somewhat small and consistent.

To pick on M Meru. 's vote as an example:
18.:4diddy::4mario::4pikachu::4villager:
17. ----------------------
16.:4darkpit::4fox::4metaknight::4ness::4peach::4pit:
15. :4falcon::4greninja::4lucario::4olimar::4yoshi:
14. ----------------------
13.:4myfriends::4luigi::4rob::4tlink::4wario:
(I know the levels aren't necessarily ordered, but even if they aren't, let's speak as if they are for ease of discussion. Plus, it looks like they are.)

Does anyone, much less Meru, actually think that the gap between Villager and Dark Pit is not just bigger than the gap between Diddy and Villager, but more than double the size so as to call for an entire blank space?

Or that the gap between Yoshi and Ike is more than double the size of the gap between Falcon and Yoshi?

There is no game I have ever heard of, not even Melee, with sudden gaps of this magnitude in its roster.


I completely understand that this is just a visual representation of a vote and that it doesn't have to mean that someone thinks there is actually a huge gap there, and that the output of this process is a traditional tier list. What I'm pointing out is that this nonetheless distorts our intentions and votes, because there is no numerical methodology which is going to work properly on input that does not actually model the data we are trying to represent.

It's fine to have symbolic spacers and draw arbitrary lines and labels wherever you want. But we can't feed giant gaps into the algorithm, regardless of what that algorithm is, and misrepresenting our perceptions of the data makes discussing it more difficult.


Anyway, here's a WIP list:

20.:4sheik:
19.:4zss:
18.:rosalina::4mario::4diddy::4pikachu::4ryu:
17.:4sonic::4metaknight::4fox::4ness:
16.:4yoshi::4falcon::4cloud::4wario::4luigi:
15.:4peach::4villager::4darkpit:
14.:4pit::4greninja::4rob::4dk::4olimar:
13.:4bowser::4megaman::4lucario::4lucas::4myfriends:
12.:4wiifit::4pacman::4mewtwo:
11.:4robinm::4marth:
10.:4bowserjr::4falco::4feroy:
9.:4tlink::4drmario:
8.:4lucina::4ganondorf::4charizard:
7.:4littlemac::4gaw::4kirby::4duckhunt:
6.:4samus::4link::4dedede::4shulk:
5.:4jigglypuff::4palutena:
4.:4zelda:
3.
2.
1.
 
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I think most characters are in that upper area, and then it begins to taper off. Combined Dark Pit and Pit, using each as necessary.

Full Brawler would be ~15, Full Gunner would be ~16, Full Swordfighter would be ~13.
20. :4sheik:
19. :4zss::rosalina:
18. :4diddy::4sonic::4metaknight::4fox:
17. :4ryu::4villager::4mario::4pikachu:
16.:4ness:(:4darkpit::4pit:):4cloud::4wario2:
15. :4myfriends::4rob::4falcon::4peach::4tlink:
14. :4luigi::4olimar::4dk::4greninja::4yoshi:
13. :4lucario::4robinm::4pacman::4mewtwo:
12. :4bowser::4lucas::4megaman::4bowserjr:
11.:4wiifit::4gaw::4kirby:
10.:4marth::4shulk::4falco:
9.:4miisword::4drmario::4duckhunt:
8.:4samus::4feroy::4palutena::4link:
7. :4littlemac::4dedede::4lucina::4miigun:
6.:4jigglypuff::4charizard::4miibrawl:
5.:4ganondorf:
4.:4zelda:
3.
2.
1.
 
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20: Sheik, Rosalina & Luma, Zero Suit Samus
19: Mario, Ryu, Villager
18: Diddy Kong, Fox
17: Meta Knight, Ness, Cloud, Sonic
16: Pikachu
15: Peach, Luigi, Toon Link, Dark Pit, Captain Falcon
14: Pit, R.O.B., Yoshi
13: Ike, Wario, Lucario, Donkey Kong
12:
11: Pikmin & Olimar, Bowser Jr., Robin, Marth, Pac-Man
10: Greninja, Dr. Mario, Mr. Game & Watch, Bowser, Wii Fit Trainer
09:
08: Mega Man, Kirby, Roy, Mewtwo
07: Samus, King Dedede, Lucas
06:
05: Little Mac, Lucina, Shulk, Falco
04: Duck Hunt, Charizard, Mii Swordfighter, Link
03:
02: Zelda, Palutena, Ganondorf
01: Mii Gunner, Mii Brawler, Jigglypuff
 
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20: :4sheik::4zss:
19::rosalina::4sonic::4ryu::4fox::4pikachu:
18::4mario::4diddy::4ness::4villager:
17::4olimar::4metaknight::4yoshi::4falcon:
16::4rob::4cloud::4peach:
15::4darkpit::4pit::4myfriends::4tlink:
14::4luigi::4wario::4lucario::4pacman:
13::4dk::4bowser:
12::4greninja::4robinm:
11::4falco::4bowserjr::4wiifit:
10::4feroy::4megaman::4littlemac:
9::4lucas::4gaw:
8::4shulk::4marth::4miisword:
7::4samus::4charizard::4link::4kirby::4miibrawl:
6::4dedede::4palutena::4mewtwo:
5::4drmario::4lucina:
4::4duckhunt::4jigglypuff:
3::4miigun:
2::4ganondorf:
1::4zelda:

Finally revised my list after G3. Changed up Brawler by dropping him a couple a row. Then I brought Cloud, WFT, and Toon Link all up some rows, and switched Yoshi and Villager.
 
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I'm thinking a lot more about long term potential than I'm thinking about current tournament results. This makes my list really non-conformist. I also don't have a particular order within a level other than the order I thought of the characters; don't read anything into that.

20: Sheik
19: Diddy Kong, Luigi
18: Yoshi, Villager, Rosalina, Ness, Cloud
17: Mario, Pikachu, Zero Suit Samus, Ryu, Sonic
16: Fox, Wario, Robin, Pit, Dark Pit
15: Captain Falcon, Lucario, Kirby
14: (blank)
13: Peach, Shulk, Ike, Link
12: Meta Knight, Lucas, Mega Man, Olimar
11: Little Mac, R.O.B., Roy, Dr. Mario
10: (blank)
9: Marth, Bowser, Toon Link, Greninja
8: Lucina, Bowser Jr., Mii Swordfighter, Donkey Kong
7: (blank)
6: Pac-Man, Charizard
5: Mr. Game & Watch, Falco, Mewtwo, Duck Hunt
4: Ganondorf, Wii Fit Trainer, Jigglypuff
3: Samus, Mii Gunner, Mii Brawler, King Dedede
2: Palutena, Zelda
1: (blank)

Some notes:

-Luigi gets a ton of credit for his absurd reward off powershielding, something not currently being exploited very heavily but that will inevitably become a huge thing down the line. Seriously, that up-B when used by a player who powershields a lot reminds me a lot of Melee Jigglypuff Rest in how it just warps games by killing way too early... In general I also think this character is just deeply misunderstood moreso than perhaps any other good character; I think his long term meta won't resemble his current meta much at all.
-Zero Suit Samus, likewise, is heavily docked by how much she's hurt by elite level SDI, something very rare for the moment that will become a bigger thing with time. I think against elite level SDI she's going to show a struggle to finish stocks more and more often, and that's going to pull character off her current apparent pedestal.
-Kirby, Robin, Lucas, and Shulk got really massive buffs in this patch that are going to take most people a long time to digest but that are really going to be significant. Robin in particular I think is a major high tier sleeper almost entirely because of his buffs in this patch and the last one (he was thoroughly mediocre before being buffed like crazy so he's easy to overlook). On the other hand, I don't really think Mewtwo got enough and is still bad (but less bad!).
-I think range is being undervalued in general by most people right now.
-Unlike Thinkaman, I really don't think the balance of the cast is a normal distribution at all. I think it's really chunky and uneven which my vote reflects. So yes, I do actually think there are big gaps in the data.
-The game is still clearly very young, and there's a lot of stuff that will happen that we can't predict. This is my best effort, but I know that it's going to be significantly inaccurate.
-Yes, I think Cloud is a top character.

I'll probably think about this some more and might edit it before the 4th, but for now, this is what I have.
 

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There's no ordering within tiers. Enjoy~

22. :4bayonetta: :4corrin:
21.
20. :4sheik:
19. :4zss::rosalina:
18. :4pikachu::4sonic::4fox::4metaknight::4mario::4luigi::4ness::4diddy:
17. :4ryu:
16. :4cloud::4falcon:
15. :4villager::4pit::4darkpit::4tlink::4yoshi::4greninja:
14. :4lucario:
13.
12. :4pacman::4bowserjr:
11. :4bowser::4feroy::4kirby::4wiifit::4dk::4marth::4megaman::4peach::4wario::4olimar:
10. :4duckhunt::4miibrawl::4rob::4gaw::4littlemac::4lucina:
9. :4robinm::4shulk:
8. :4dedede::4falco::4myfriends::4link:
7.
6. :4miigun:
5. :4lucas:
4. :4mewtwo:
3. :4charizard::4drmario::4ganondorf::4samus:
2. :4palutena::4jigglypuff:
1. :4miisword::4zelda:
 
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((( Ok so this is WIP!
Just wanted to show that im working on it and ask if you maybe wanna extend it a little bit.
I think some people suggested after g3.. I like that idea! )))

20: :4sheik:
19: :4zss:
18: :4pikachu: :4fox: :4ryu: :rosalina:
17: :4yoshi: :4diddy: :4mario:
16: :4luigi: :4sonic: :4metaknight: :4cloud:
15: :4ness: :4villager:
14: :4greninja: :4falcon:
13: :4tlink:
12: :4wario: :4pit: :4darkpit: :4megaman:
11: :4rob:
10: :4lucario: :4gaw: :4peach:
9: :4myfriends: :4dk:
8: :4roy: :4pacman:
7: :4falco: :4marth:
6: :4bowserjr: :4lucina: :4palutena: :4robinm: :4link: :4olimar: :4drmario: :4miibrawl:
5: :4lucas: :4wiifit: :4shulk: :4dedede: :4duckhunt: :4mewtwo:
4: :4kirby: :4bowser: :4miigun:
3: :4littlemac: :4jigglypuff:
2: :4charizard: :4samus: :4miisword:
1: :4ganondorf: :4zelda:



Edit1: updated it once (12. January 2016) still wip

Edit2: This is my final version! (18. Januar 2016)!

Tbh I didnt have miis in it until 5 minutes ago.. I just put them in but I'd rather not have them in at all ^^
Well then, hope i'm not too late.. Looking forward to the results!! :)
 
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20: :4sheik::4zss::4ryu:
19: :4sonic::rosalina::4pikachu::4mario:
18: :4fox::4metaknight::4cloud::4villager::4ness::4diddy:
17: :4yoshi::4luigi::4lucario::4peach::4rob::4falcon:
16: :4pacman::4tlink::4pit::4darkpit::4olimar::4myfriends::4greninja::4megaman::4wario:
15: :4feroy::4dk:
14: :4falco::4lucas:
13: :4bowser::4kirby:
12: :4shulk::4robinm:
11: :4littlemac::4marth:
10: :4mewtwo::4duckhunt:
9: :4link::4gaw:
8:
7: :4drmario::4bowserjr:
6: :4miibrawl::4miisword::4wiifit:
5: :4charizard::4lucina::4dedede:
4: :4palutena:
3: :4samus:
2: :4miigun::4jigglypuff::4zelda:
1: :4ganondorf:

20: Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Ryu
19: Sonic, Rosalina, Pikachu, Mario
18: Fox, Meta Knight, Villager, Ness, Diddy Kong, Cloud
17: Yoshi, Luigi, Lucario, Peach, ROB, Captain Falcon
16: Pacman, Toon Link, Pit, Dark Pit, Olimar, Ike, Greninja, Megaman, Wario
15: Roy, Donkey Kong
14: Falco, Lucas
13: Bowser, Kirby
12: Shulk, Robin
11: Little Mac, Marth
10: Mewtwo, Duck Hunt
9: Link, Mr. Game & Watch
8:
7: Doctor Mario, Bowser Jr.
6: Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Wii Fit Trainer
5: Charizard, Lucina, King Dedede
4: Palutena
3: Samus
2: Mii Gunner, Jigglypuff, Zelda
1: Ganondorf
 
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WIP and in the works but working on moving stuff around as I think about this and work on researching a bit. I'll be adding notes for a lot of thinks that.

20: Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Ryu
19: Sonic, Rosalina, Ness, Pikachu, Mario, Yoshi, Fox, Captain Falcon, Meta Knight, Villager, Diddy Kong
18: Luigi, Lucario, Peach, ROB, Cloud, Robin, Ike, Pacman, Greninja,
17: Pit, Dark Pit, Megaman, Link, Roy, Wario,
16: Kirby, Falco, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Olimar,
15: Shulk, Toon Link, Mewtwo, Wiifit Trainer, Duck Hunt, Little Mac, Lucas, Marth, Lucina,
14: Bowser Jr., Charizard, Ganondorf, Mii Brawler,
13: King Dedede, Doctor Mario, Palutena, Samus, Mr. Game & Watch,
12: Zelda, Mii Swordfighter, Mii Gunner, Jigglypuff,
11:
10:
9:
8:
7:
6:
5:
4:
3:
2:
1:

notes:
- My gaps aren't as bit for a ratio setting because I don't think the cast is that far apart for 20 levels like set up. But if needed I could widen it if this is too clustered. If asked I could widen it like others did but right now it would sit with me set up like this.
 
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WIP probably. Still a bit unsure on the buffed characters, to be honest.

20: :4sheik:
19: :4zss::4ryu:
18: :4fox::4sonic::4metaknight::rosalina:
17: :4diddy::4mario:
16: :4villager::4pikachu:
15: :4myfriends::4wario::4cloud::4darkpit::4ness:
14::4pit: :4greninja::4yoshi::4falcon:
13: :4rob::4olimar::4luigi::4peach::4megaman:
12:
11::4robinm::4lucario::4dk::4tlink:
10: :4wiifit::4bowser::4pacman:
9: :4mewtwo::4lucas:
8: :4marth::4link::4kirby::4miisword:
7: :4bowserjr::4feroy:
6: :4drmario::4falco::4gaw::4charizard:
5: :4miigun::4lucina::4ganondorf:
4: :4miibrawl::4littlemac::4shulk::4duckhunt:
3:
2: :4zelda::4palutena::4samus::4dedede:
1: :4jigglypuff:
 
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20: :4sheik:
19: :4zss:
18: :4fox::rosalina::4ryu::4sonic:
17: :4diddy::4mario::4pikachu:
16: :4falcon::4cloud::4luigi::4metaknight:
15: :4ness::4yoshi::4villagerf::4wario:
14: :4darkpit::4pit::4rob::4greninja::4lucario:
13: :4dk::4myfriends::4olimar::4pacman::4peach::4wiifit:
12: :4lucas::4megaman::4mewtwo::4robinm::4tlink:
11: :4drmario::4kirby::4feroy:
10: :4bowserjr::4bowser::4link:
9: :4falco:
8: :4marth:
7: :4lucina::4palutena:
6: :4littlemac::4gaw::4charizard:
5::4miisword::4duckhunt:
4: :4ganondorf::4samus:
3: :4dedede::4shulk:
2: :4miibrawl::4zelda::4miigun:
1: :4jigglypuff:


I feel like Lucario is pretty frikken good again. Superior aerial control and he isn't an abhorrently floaty awkward thing, bigger wavebounces, easier chaining of his pretty lowish lag aerials, all fantastic. He could start rising again significantly in the future.
Mewtwo and Lucas may be overrated.
I still feel the two pits are roughly the same (or should be one thing together still).
I felt Bowser was close to bottom tier before, and I play ZSS so iono (he could be even better).
Jigglypuff is clearly the worst thing in the history of the world. I wonder how Nairo would feel about Zelda, I tend to rate her higher but as it came to essentially a final bottom 10 ordering I just wasn't sure enough.
Wii Fit Trainer is actually an omega character in this game (among with the likes of Omega Pew Pew Sheik, Omega swordsman Cloud and Omega Heavy Brawler Ryu) who are just feasibly better than everyone else similar to them by noticeable amounts and it's probably by no accident. Being fit takes DoctorMarioGuy levels of evil genius though and the biological and environmental conditions to spawn such beasts just doesn't seem to exist in this generation.
 
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20::4sheik:
19::4zss::4mario::4ryu:
18::rosalina::4pikachu::4diddy::4fox:
17::4sonic::4villager::4cloud::4metaknight:
16::4rob::4yoshi::4olimar::4luigi::4ness:
15::4falcon::4wario2::4kirby:
14::4dk::4pacman:
13::4lucario::4darkpit::4pit::4mewtwo:
12::4link::4bowserjr::4peach::4gaw::4lucas::4tlink:
11::4greninja::4myfriends::4falco::4drmario::4robinm::4palutena:
10::4megaman::4wiifit:
9:
8::4feroy:
7::4marth::4lucina:
6::4samus::4miisword::4dedede::4miibrawl::4duckhunt::4bowser:
5::4charizard::4shulk::4littlemac::4zelda::4ganondorf:
4:
3::4miigun::4jigglypuff:
2:
1::substitute:
 
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Revised 1/18/16

20: :4sheik:
19: :4mario::4zss::rosalina:
18::4pikachu::4ryu:
17: :4metaknight::4diddy::4fox::4villager::4cloud::4sonic:
16: :4falcon::4yoshi::4ness::4luigi:
15: :4tlink::4rob::4feroy::4darkpit:
14: :4dk::4robinm::4pit::4wario::4lucario::4greninja:
13::4myfriends::4olimar::4pacman::4peach:
12: :4lucas::4megaman::4bowser::4dedede:
11:
10: :4bowserjr::4link::4gaw:
9: :4duckhunt::4shulk::4littlemac:
8: :4marth::4kirby::4drmario:
7: :4wiifit::4palutena:
6: :4falco::4mewtwo:
5: :4ganondorf:
4: :4lucina::4samus:
3: :4zelda::4charizard::4miibrawl:
2: :4miigun:
1::4jigglypuff::4miisword:


20: Sheik,
19: Mario, Zero Suit Samus, Rosalina
18: Pikachu,Ryu
17: Metaknight, Diddy Kong, Fox, Villager, Cloud, Sonic
16: Captain Falcon, Yoshi, Ness, Luigi
15: Toon Link, R.O.B., Roy, Dark Pit
14: Donkey Kong, Robin, Pit, Wario, Lucario, Greninja
13: Ike, Olimar, Pacman, Peach
12: Lucas, Megaman, Bowser, King DeDeDe
11:
10: Bowser Jr., Link, Mr. Game @ Watch
9: Duck Hunt, Shulk, Little Mac
8: Marth, Kirby, Dr. Mario
7: Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena
6: Falco, Mewtwo
5: Ganondorf
4: Lucina, Samus,
3: Zelda, Charizard, Mii Brawler
2: Mii Gunner
1: Jigglypuff, Mii Swordfighter
 
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TBD. Sorry for voting so late!

20 :4sheik:
19 :4zss::4fox::rosalina::4pikachu::4ryu:
18 :4mario::4sonic::4diddy::4ness:
17 :4metaknight:
16 :4cloud::4yoshi::4villager::4falcon:
15 :4luigi::4peach::4rob::4greninja::4darkpit::4pit:
14:4wario2::4dk::4tlink::4megaman::4myfriends:
13 :4olimar::4bowser::4feroy::4lucario:
12:4kirby::4marth:
11:4falco::4robinf:
10:4shulk::4pacman::4bowserjr::4littlemac:
9:4wiifit::4duckhunt::4mewtwo:
8
7:4dedede::4lucas:
6:4link:
5:4lucina::4gaw:
4 :4palutena::4drmario: :4miibrawl:
3 :4ganondorf::4charizard::4jigglypuff::4miisword:
2 :4samus::4zelda:
1 :4miigun:
 
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20: Sheik, Zero Suit Samus
19:
17: Ryu, Sonic, Rosalina, Mario, Meta Knight
16: Pikachu
15: Fox, Villager, Ness, Diddy Kong, Cloud
14:
13: Ike, ROB, Captain Falcon, Wario
12: Yoshi, Luigi, Lucario, Peach, Dark Pit, Pit
11: Pacman, Toon Link, Greninja, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer
10:
9: Olimar, Robin, Mewtwo, Bowser Jr., Donkey Kong, Little Mac
8: Bowser, Kirby, Doctor Mario, Lucas
7
6: Marth, Roy, Link, Ganondorf, Duck Hunt, Samus, Shulk, Falco, Mr. Game & Watch, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter
5: Mii Gunner, Jigglypuff, Zelda, Palutena, Charizard, Lucina, King Dedede
4:
3:
2:
1:

Edit: Forgot Little Mac and Wii Fit so I put them in
 
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My sincerest apologies for the delay.
Maybe a WIP, but treat this as final if you have to.

20: Sheik, ZSS
19: Rosalina
18: Pikachu, Fox, Mario, Diddy Kong, Ryu,
17: Meta Knight, Villager, Sonic
16: Cloud, Bowser, Luigi, Ness
15: Captain Falcon, Ike, Luigi, Donkey Kong, Yoshi
14: R.O.B., Greninja, Kirby, Lucas, Toon Link, Mii Brawler, Captain Olimar, Peach, Pac-Man
13: Mega Man, Little Mac, Bowser Jr., Pit, Dark Pit, Link, Mr. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt Duo, Wario
12: Lucario, Falco, Shulk, Jigglypuff, Roy, Mii Gunner, Dr. Mario
11: King Dedede, Robin, Wii Fit Trainer, Charizard, Marth, Lucina, Mii Swordfighter, Mewtwo
10: Samus, Palutena, Zelda, Ganondorf
9:
8:
7:
6:
5:
4:
3:
2:
1:

I really don't feel that there is a huge gap between the cast. If I need to make a better spread to populate the lower rankings, let me know.
 

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Shoutouts to many people conforming to posting character icons, something I started in 2011 and people copied me LMFAO.

Surprised people are putting :4metaknight: lower. I feel like he has so many good things going for him and loses to ???

My list (Subject to change, but currently in order):

20: :4sheik::4zss::rosalina:
19: :4ryu::4metaknight::4sonic::4mario::4diddy::4pikachu:
18: :4cloud::4fox::4villager::4ness:
17: :4darkpit::4pit: :4falcon: :4peach:
16: :4yoshi::4wario::4tlink: :4rob: :4dk:
15: :4greninja: :4pacman::4luigi::4lucario::4megaman::4bowser:
14: :4olimar::4bowserjr:
13: :4myfriends::4gaw: :4kirby:
12: :4duckhunt:
11: :4wiifit: :4robinm: :4feroy:
10: :4falco: :4link: :4mewtwo: :4lucas:
9: :4marth::4littlemac:
8: :4drmario:
7: :4dedede:
6: :4shulk: :4charizard:
5: :4samus:
4: :4palutena::4lucina::4miisword:
3: :4ganondorf::4miigun:
2: :4miibrawl:
1: :4zelda: :4jigglypuff:

:018:
 
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20: :4sheik:
19: :4zss::rosalina:
18: :4ryu::4metaknight::4sonic::4mario::4diddy::4pikachu::4fox:
17: :4cloud::4villager::4ness::4falcon::4rob:
16: :4darkpit::4pit::4robinf::4wario::4myfriends::4luigi::4tlink::4yoshi:
15: :4olimar::4peach::4dk::4lucario::4megaman::4greninja:
14:
13: :4feroy::4kirby::4bowser::4gaw::4pacman:
12::4bowserjr::4falco::4wiifit::4mewtwo::4marth:
11: :4littlemac::4lucas::4drmario::4link:
10: :4shulk::4dedede::4duckhunt::4palutena::4charizard::4samus::4lucina:
9: :4ganondorf::4jigglypuff::4zelda:
8:
7:
6:
5:
4:
3:
2:
1:

Notes: I am abstaining from ranking the Miis as I feel the current commonly accepted rules are wildly unfair to Mii players, and do not have enough information on 1111/Default Gunner/Sword especially to rank them appropriately. #FreeMii

My break point for 'you generally won't see these characters in the upper ends of tournaments' is the gap between 15 and 13.
 
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I tried. This is not to say that I think the game as a whole is very balanced (it's not), but judging the inherent potential between characters in the way this is trying to do is hard.

20: :4sheik::4zss:
19: :rosalina::4pikachu::4sonic:
18: :4ryu:
:4metaknight::4mario::4fox::4diddy:
17: :4cloud::4villager::4wario::4ness::4falcon::4yoshi::4megaman:
16: :4peach::4myfriends::4rob::4darkpit::4pit::4luigi::4mewtwo::4greninja::4robinm:
15: :4tlink::4olimar::4feroy::4drmario::4kirby::4lucas::4pacman::4wiifit::4bowser::4gaw::4dk::4lucario:
14: :4shulk::4falco::4littlemac::4bowserjr::4marth:
13: :4palutena::4charizard::4dedede::4link::4lucina:
12: :4ganondorf::4duckhunt::4samus::4zelda::4jigglypuff:
11:
10:
9:
8:
7:
6:
5:
4:
3:
2:
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20: Sheik, ZSS
19: Pikachu, Fox, Mario, Sonic, Cloud, Ryu,
18: Meta Knight, Villager, Diddy Kong, Rosalina, Ness
17: Bowser, DK, Luigi, Toon Link,
16: Peach, Captain Falcon, Ike, Yoshi, Falco, Dark Pit, Pit
15: ROB, Greninja, Kirby, Lucas, Mii Brawler, Marth, Lucina, Olimar, Pac-Man, Wario
14: Mega Man, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Bowser Jr., Mr. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt
13: Shulk, Link, Jigglypuff, Roy, Mii Gunner, Dr. Mario
12: King Dedede, Robin, Wii Fit Trainer, Charizard, Mii Swordfighter
11: Palutena, Samus, Zelda, Ganondorf
 

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Subject to change. Mostly wanted to get a jumping point, but I've been lurking this is and the discussion thread for a while now in conjunction with my own thoughts and experiences to get this draft.

20. :4sheik:
19. :rosalina::4zss:
18. :4ryu::4pikachu:
17. :4mario::4sonic::4diddy::4fox::4cloud:
16. :4metaknight::4ness::4yoshi:
15. :4luigi::4villagerf::4peach::4rob::4pit::4darkpit:
14. :4falcon::4olimar::4wario2::4dk:
13. :4lucario::4tlink::4greninja::4pacman:
12. :4myfriends::4kirby::4megaman::4bowser:
11. :4miibrawl::4bowserjr::4robinf:
10. :4shulk::4feroy::4falco::4wiifit:
9. :4mewtwo::4marth::4lucina:
8. :4duckhunt::4link::4lucas:
7. :4littlemac::4drmario::4ganondorf::4charizard::4gaw:
6. :4miigun: :4palutena::4dedede:
5. :4miisword::4samus:
4. :4jigglypuff::4zelda:
3.
2.
1.

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Slice~

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20. Sheik, ZSS
19. Fox, Pikachu
18. Rosalina, Ryu
17. Mario, Yoshi, Diddy Kong
16. Meta Knight, Sonic, Cloud
15. R.O.B., Villager, Ness, Toon-Link
14. Captain Falcon, Luigi, Greninja
13. Donkey Kong, Wario, Olimar
12. Mii Brawler
11. Ike, Peach, King Dedede, Mr. Game & Watch
10. Wii Fit Trainer, Lucario, Pac-Man, Dark Pit, Pit
9. Mega Man, Dr. Mario
8. Marth, Shulk, Mewtwo
7. Bowser
6. Roy, Link
5. Charizard, Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt Duo
4. Robin, Palutena
3. Lucas, Kirby, Jigglypuff, Lucina, Samus, Falco
2. Little Mac, Mii Gunner, Ganondorf
1. Zelda, Mii Sword Fighter
 

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20. Sheik
19. ZSS, Rosalina, Ryu, Pikachu,
18. Mario, Sonic, Fox, Diddy, Meta Knight
17. Ness, Cloud, Yoshi
16. Captain Falcon, Villager, Toon Link, ROB, Luigi
15. Peach, Greninja, Donkey Kong
14. Lucario, Pacman, Pit, Dark Pit, Ike, Wario, Megaman
13. Olimar, Roy, Mr. G&W
12. Lucas, Kirby, Bowser
11. Falco, Robin, Shulk
10. Little Mac, Marth, Mii Brawler
9. Link, Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr., MewTwo
8. Mii Sword Fighter
7. Samus, Dr. Mario
6. King DDD
5.
4. WFT
3. Palutena, Charizard, Lucina
2. Ganon, Jigglypuff, Zelda
1. Gunner

Let me know if I missed anyone. Also, I feel like there should be a disclaimer based on Zero's reasonings to abstain. Too early for a tier list, and I don't think it will be too accurate after top/high tier.
 
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I still think I'm the most casual person here, but I'd rather participate than just sit on the sidelines.

20. :4sheik:
19. :4zss::rosalina:
18. :4pikachu::4sonic::4ryu::4villager::4fox::4mario::4diddy:
17. :4metaknight::4falcon::4ness::4cloud:
16. :4luigi::4pit::4darkpit::4yoshi:
15. :4tlink::4peach::4rob::4wario:
14. :4greninja::4olimar::4pacman::4lucario::4myfriends::4dk::4megaman:
13. :4wiifit::4kirby::4bowser:
12. :4robinm::4lucas::4mewtwo:
11. :4marth::4littlemac::4gaw::4drmario: :4bowserjr::4link::4falco:
10.:4samus::4charizard::4feroy::4lucina::4shulk::4dedede::4miibrawl:
9. :4duckhunt::4palutena::4miisword::4ganondorf::4miigun:
8. :4jigglypuff::4zelda:
 
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Ambrose

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20. Sheik, ZSS
19. Diddy, Rosalina, C.Falcon, Pikachu
18. Metaknight, Ryu
17. Sonic, Greninja, Luigi
16. Cloud, Fox, Mario, Yoshi, Lucario
15. Megaman, Toon Link, Villager
14. Wario, Pacman, Roy
13. Little Mac, Ness
12. Falco, Robin, DK, Peach, Wii Fit Trainer
11. Rob, Dark Pit, Pit, Bowser
10. Ike, Duck Hunt, Link, Lucas, Olimar
9. Marth, Lucina, Kirby, Mii Brawler
8. King Dedede, G&W, Shulk, Charizard, Samus, Mewtwo
7. Mii Gunner, Mii Swordfighter, Bowser Jr., Dr Mario, Zelda
6. Jigglypuff, Palutena
5. Ganondorf
4.
3.
2.
1.
 
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Rayquaza07

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Top 20. :4zss::4sonic::4pikachu::4sheik::4fox::4diddy::4ryu::4yoshi:
High 19. :rosalina::4mario::4metaknight::4ness::4olimar::4villager::4wario::4falcon::4cloud::4rob::4luigi::4lucario:
High Mid 18. :4darkpit::4pit::4tlink::4peach::4myfriends::4dk::4bowser::4greninja::4megaman::4marth::4lucina::4miibrawl:
Mid 17. :4pacman::4kirby::4lucas::4robinm::4bowserjr::4mewtwo::4shulk::4dedede:
Lower mid 16. :4duckhunt::4charizard::4littlemac::4gaw::4drmario::4falco::4jigglypuff::4feroy:
Low 15. :4link::4ganondorf::4palutena::4wiifit::4miigun::4miisword::4zelda::4samus:



My tier list is based on how much potential I see in the char and mostly not results/usage. Also, whether a char is 1st or 3rd they are still in the same tier and trying to decide if a char should be 4th instead of 3rd seems hard at this point (in other words the tiers are what matter and not the exact placings imo). The difference between the lower mid and mid tier is also hard to define imo.
 
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20: Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Pikachu
19: Mario, Rosalina & Luma, Sonic
18: Fox, Meta Knight, Diddy kong
17: Yoshi, Ness,Ryu, Cloud
16: Villager, Luigi, Peach, Mega Man,
15: Captain Falcon, Wario, Ike, R.O.B. , Bowser
14: Lucario, Toon Link, Greninja
13: Donkey Kong, Dark Pit, Pikmin & Olimar,
12: Pit, Robin, Ike,Kirby, Link
11: Pac-Man, Mewtwo, Bowser Jr, King Dedede
10: Dr. Mario, Mr. Game & Watch, Wii Fit Trainer
09: Marth, Roy, Little Mac, Charizard
08: Lucas, Lucina,Jigglypuff,
07: Shulk, Falco, Samus
06: Duck Hunt,
05: Mii Swordfighter
04: Palutena, Mii Brawler,
03: Ganondorf
02: Mii Gunner
01: Zelda,
 

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Xzax's 4BR Tier List

20: Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Rosalina,
19: Pikachu, Mario, Fox
18: Ryu, Meta Knight, Diddy Kong, Sonic, Cloud
17: Luigi, Villager, Ness, Yoshi, Captain Falcon
16: ROB, Peach, Lucario, Dark Pit, Toon Link, Pit
15: Donkey Kong, Ike, Olimar, Bowser Jr
14: Kirby,Shulk, Roy, Wario, Falco
13: Bowser, Robin, Greninja, Pac-Man
12: Mewtwo, Lucas
11: Doctor Mario, Marth,
10: Mr. Game and Watch, Link
9: Little Mac, Lucina
8: Duck Hunt, Charizard
7: King DeDede, Wii Fit Trainer
6: Palutena
5 Mii Brawler, Mii Gunner,
4: Ganondorf
3: Samus, Mii Swordsman
2: Zelda
1: Jigglypuff
 
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