3.6 Uthrow

[lordhelmet]

Changelist doesn't say anything... but uthrow on Fox sends him much further away now. What do you guys think? Going to do some testing (knee-jerk post), but this looks like it will hurt.

 

[NWRL]

That might be a bug. I'd report it.

 

[Starfall11]

Definitely sounds like a bug if it wasn't included In patch notes.

 

[X0dus]

http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread-v3-6-beta.339825/page-2145#post-19495496

It wasn't actually changed and it isn't bugged, its apart of the grab release fix. Its just a coincidence.

 

[lordhelmet]

Good luck against fast fallers now lol. Definitely taking a break with this new patch. Sad boys.

 

[Moy]

Does this mean the chaingrab just doesn't work anymore, or just ends earlier?

Maybe it's possible to convert utilts and nairs earlier now.

 

[lordhelmet]

I'm gonna mess with it tonight. CPU Fox jumped out at 30%. Uthrow -> bair kill setups don't work very well anymore. Sometimes you can still follow with a strong uair. Might be able to do better nair juggles.

Mid/light weights... uthrow seems useless.

 

[King of Hoboz]

Here's some stuff thanks to Ulsi that would be informative.

Last frame of hitstun @ 50% (3.5)
Last frame of hitstun @ 50% (3.6)
Apex of U-Throw @ 0% (3.5)
Apex of U-Throw @ 0% (3.6)

I'm hoping we're fine. I think it's manageable and we just need to go into certain confirms earlier.

I don't think U-Throw was the only throw changed, so once I play in bracket/pools I'll let everyone know what's up with Ike's combo game. I'm not terribly worried if my line of thought is right on how I should be doing stuff.

 

[Jake The Preacher]

So basically U throw does more Knockback? Unintentionally done by the DT? The difference is noticeable but not massive so I think we can work around it, although spacy chaingrabs will be a bit harder and we'll have to adjust. Overall though We came out alright, good job Ike players

 

[lordhelmet]

It's a result of a global release point change. I just got home so I'm gonna mess around a little bit

Edit I think Hoboz is right. Basically you just have to wait a little longer after the uthrow than normal

 

[MLGF]

Honestly, I got used to it pretty quickly.

You do need to QD Grab to chain grab spacies earlier though

 

[FrankDaTank]

Does anyone know if the uthrow thing is a result of a throw release point bug or if it was intentional? Us it staying or will it be gone in the official 3.6 update?

 

[X0dus]

Does anyone know if the uthrow thing is a result of a throw release point bug or if it was intentional? Us it staying or will it be gone in the official 3.6 update?

I already answered this.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Okay. We livin'.

Frankly I was expecting them to take QDA away entirely. I got a little worried with the release point change BUT the CG I think may actually be easier to start up and tighter to execute later.

In terms of kill-followups we still have those but depending on how the release point affects the trajectory Ikes may now be more reliant on Grab -> Throw -> QDJC -> Aerial followups at kill percents instead of the salt-mining Fthrow->Fair junk we had. (Which still connects on suboptimal DI.)

We definitely were not hit too hard and we just need to make up for the tweaks by flying further and faster with the sword.

 

[EmptySky00]

The reason Uthrow sends him further away, according to Magus, is because the way certain characters specifically are released from grabs has been altered. His Uthrow wasn't touched at all. I had this same issue with Link's Dthrow where I could no longer Dthrow - Spin at 140 or so against Falcon and Roy. It doesn't have more knockback at all and the release point is probably the same.


Edit: Oh, this was answered. I missed it when I skimmed through to check. My b.