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3.5 Zero Suit Samus Video Discussion

Foo

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Since people wanted it to be made, but didn't want to make it themselves I'll guess I'll do it.

Post all of your 3.5 ZSS videos here! The games can either be of good ZSS players you saw, or videos of yourself playing. If you want to post your own personal videos in hopes of receiving feedback, please do! Just make sure to request said feedback, and I (and hopefully other ZSS players) will do just that.

I'll start with the video I posted in the previous thread.

 

ThreeSided

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Sorry for forcing your hand! I would have gladly started it if I thought I could be reliable enough to keep it updated, but my life is currently in flux and there was a very good chance I would have flaked out.

I'm very interested to see where Zamus goes from here.

Quick confession: I love the new Zootsoot. Don't misunderstand me, I completely understand where everyone is coming from, and I actually agree. They should not have changed the character so drastically. She's really not the same character anymore. So, from a moral perspective, I agree that she should be reverted. However, she is now the character I've always wanted her to be. I've always loved her mobility, and I love the idea of being able to dance around my opponent and make lightning quick movements every which way, but her old play style did not lend itself to this, as she didn't have the OOS options to realistically play that way. With the new grab, she can now play as I've always wanted her to, and it feels great. =)

Assuming she stays the way she is, you can expect to see me around here more often. That is assuming I don't end up flaking out like I suggested I might earlier.
 

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I've always loved her mobility, and I love the idea of being able to dance around my opponent and make lightning quick movements every which way, but her old play style did not lend itself to this
WOT
 

ThreeSided

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Yeah, allow me to clarify. I like being able to move around and be evasive but also get up close and personal. With her old play style, you were limited to movements which kept them at a distance unless you had a setup, punish or something else similar. While it is true that strictly speaking, in a vacuum, she had more mobility before due to the dash-cancel laser, in the meta the ability to actually reliably grab as a defensive option means you can go places you really couldn't before.
 
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Kiwibird

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Yeah, allow me to clarify. I like being able to move around and be evasive but also get up close and personal. With her old play style, you were limited to movements which kept them at a distance unless you had a setup, punish or something else similar. While it is true that strictly speaking, in a vacuum, she had more mobility before due to the dash-cancel laser, in the meta the ability to actually reliably grab as a defensive option means you can go places you really couldn't before.
I completely agree. While it's true that the new grab reduced her follow-ups drastically, I feel the trade off was well worth it. Not only did it add to her OOS options (which is incredibly important) but it also makes for a far less punishable mix-up approach.

I will say that she has lost some 'style' with the update, but I feel that 'style' was just compensating for her short-comings. I have high hopes for the next update, where they may re-inject some of that style.
 

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Anyways, all of this is irrelevant to the thread. Let's not turn this into a second 3.5 discussion, lol.
 

ThreeSided

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http://www.twitch.tv/ajefk12555/b/598919331?t=3h28m59s

Here's a few matches of my ZSS. I'd appreciate some critique. Thanks.
Alright, so I suspect that this may actually just be symptomatic of me also being a Sheik player, but I get the feeling you really jump too much. It's not an awful thing for her considering that unlike many characters she has a fast Dair, but it's still not all that disjointed, and she doesn't want to just be above people a lot. Additionally, you'll often use your second jump, and that can be very dangerous. All it takes is one hit and you're off the stage without a second jump and that can be a quick death.
 

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Alright, so I suspect that this may actually just be symptomatic of me also being a Sheik player, but I get the feeling you really jump too much. It's not an awful thing for her considering that unlike many characters she has a fast Dair, but it's still not all that disjointed, and she doesn't want to just be above people a lot. Additionally, you'll often use your second jump, and that can be very dangerous. All it takes is one hit and you're off the stage without a second jump and that can be a quick death.
I get what you're saying. I might be trying to play ZSS too much like G&W. What would you recommend instead?
 

ThreeSided

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I get what you're saying. I might be trying to play ZSS too much like G&W. What would you recommend instead?
Obviously take all this with a grain of salt until someone else confirms what I'm saying, since I'm still not fully convinced that what I'm saying isn't just my personal play style caused by playing sheik, a character you're supposed to avoid jumping a lot with.

First thing I'm going to say is that what you were doing was working. You would jump, he would try to hit you, and then you'd punish on the way down. Assuming this isn't just the way you play with this particular person, however, it's not a good habit to have.

It looked like you'd jump because they would start closing in, and then you'd feel pressured, and then rather than deal with the pressure you would try to escape. With nowhere else to go, you went up and over. This is more understandable with 3.02 Zamus who lacks a proper grab, but the current iteration is much better at holding her ground. Even with old Zoot, you'd generally be using paralyzer to keep them at bay, though obviously this is not as good an option (though still plenty good imo). I don't know a lot about Samus but I'm pretty sure she doesn't have many great approaches, so if she's closing in on you, you should have the advantage. Just be wary of grabs and you should be fine. Dash dance to bait an attack, shield grab whatever approach she makes, or even just challenge her with a shuffled nair or paralyzer shot. My personal favorite counter to an approach is wavedash back > Dsmash; it's not the best since it can be punish by faster characters, but it's a great mix up, and against slower character's it's plenty doable so long as you don't become too predictable with it.

Another thing, you should take advantage of your grab more. You seem to be playing as in 3.02 relying more on your aerials and paralyzer to start combos. There were a bunch of punishes that you failed because you tried to shffl nair and it missed or came out too late. What with the nerf to nair that's going to happen a lot, but with the new grab you don't even need to use nair. Just remember you have a normal grab now: Run up and grab them.

Lastly, use Uair more. As I mentioned earlier, Nair isn't what it used to be. Not only is it not a great approach, but it's also kinda hard to convert off of unless you know you're going to hit. The angle of Uair was changed so it's kinda like a Falcon Uair, so use it like one: combo them across the stage with it. Nair is more useful mid-combo now.

That's all I got. I'm pretty confident about those last two paragraphs, it's just the first part about jumping that I'm wondering about.
 
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Foo

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Hrm, I may as well do a video dump of all the stuff from top player by character.

Leffen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISlS_vfbXVU (vs Leon, Snake, hf.lan 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfTtvR0GbE (vs Ice, Fox, hf.lan 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhr5k-De9FM (vs Ice, Fox, hf.lan 8)

Mahie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fUj7HRpe3g (vs iPunch, Luigi, hf.lan 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVAkTk8lqk (vs Samplay, G&W/Falco, hf.lan 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCE8L10Bjk4 (vs Charlon, Fox, hf.lan 8)

Oro?!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqAK1dbimOU (vs Ripple, DDD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrAY8EeMr_M (vs Kirk Q, ROB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeEudzO3df0 (vs Frootloop, Sheik)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1b24LX73IE (vs Strong Bad, Wario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YftQibB6XZs (vs Ten, Fox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGMWQLKvPs (vs 5-1, ZSS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yo1VQtbRS8 (vs Double, Lucario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYmS3yXLP5c (vs 5-1, Wolf)

Cactuarz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxPbvGg3lo (vs Strong Bad*, Wario)

Shokio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FBoXHDg9T4 (vs Crypsis, Marth)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m16B-HOD8Zc (vs Hamyojo, Yoshi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymIs7mvXi8 (vs Hamoyojo, Yoshi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjRMZeqGAdg (vs HavikLink, Wario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQZ67pQuzA (vs HavikLink, Wario)

Dittos:
Mahie vs Leffen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzRUdIgr_mA (hf.lan 8)
 

Roche_CL

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Here's a video of me vs Dark :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS3wh5iMVw0&list=PLlNJrEAlSgnWuyJFkZrGCqSgAQ3VF4dAV&index=23

Also i need some advice on the Mario matchup, i think i have never taken a match from this mario player, even after the nerfs he keeps beating me. I really don't know what strategy is good against mario.
Plz healp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQV2Itx_cnw&list=PLlNJrEAlSgnWuyJFkZrGCqSgAQ3VF4dAV&index=24

Edit: Sry, forgot to tell that first video had some audio issues, you can lower volume or mute it.
 
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Yeroc

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Guess I'll throw some tournament matches up from earlier today. The one right at the timestamp in the link vs. NEG|Mr.BeenReady, a longtime NC smash figurehead/TO. The second (not long after the first I believe) is against somebody I didn't know. There are some teams matches from earlier in the day that I was in as well (we got 3rd) on the same channel.

http://www.twitch.tv/kneedeepgaming/b/609980261?t=19m23s

Edit: Apologies for the quality, lol.
 
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Foo

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Got two vids of me in tourney yesterday and they are already up! Damn that was an awesome tourney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s_Upw1cfuk ZSS vs Marth game 1, vs fox game 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglqmL8TELY ZSS vs Metaknight. My opponent is currently PR'd 5th in NC for PM. Really hyped that I could have beat him, but sadly, I kinda buckled to tournament nerves. Last stock both games I made some really really bad mistakes, and I knew they were mistakes as I made them. Oh well, was a great set and it taught me a lot about what I need to work on.

Anyway, if anyone wants to give tips, please do.
 
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