3.5 Puff Discussion

[gmBottles]

So what do you guys think of Jigglypuff in the new update? I think she feels way better than before with the changes made to the engine.

Jigglypuff Changelist
Throws
-Forward Throw fixed to no longer miss some characters resulting in weaker KB.
-Down Throw hitboxes and throw KB matched to Melee.

Others
-Forward Roll now intangible starting frame 2 from 3.

While not many changes were made, I think that she has improved greatly, and will be much more viable in tournament.

 

[Serge+]

Two throws and 1/60 of a second difference on a roll is all I see. What are the other engine changes you are talking about? Maybe I overlooked that on the changelist.

 

[King of Hoboz]

The big change is probably the Throw Release bug fix. Release points were higher than they were suppose to be.

 

[sswizzbbeatss]

I noticed that in general shes just faster especially her air movements. Still garbage though.

 

[Ouroboro]

Everyone lost their awesome recoveries. Jiggs did not. Jiggs gimps recoveries real good. I think there are more buffs here than the lack of changes suggests.

 

[robosteven]

Still garbage though.

Considering that everyone else got shafted, I don't think so.

Tether-recovery-only characters are now free.

 

[L Pag]

Puff feels exactly the same, really. Like everyone has already said, the changes around her effect her more. Easier edge guards are nice, and it seems that some characters have a bit more trouble with her. She really isn't that different from last patch, but her DACUS seems longer (could just be me, though). Although, she does seem to do pretty well against Ganon, as she can poke him pretty easily, he's easy to set up rest on, and edge guarding him is free. So based on the new influx of Ganon mains, maybe she'll see more use

 

[Swooty]

I hear everyone responding to "This character got better" with "But he/she got nerfed" or "Nothing changed lol"

We're not comparing these characters to 3.02 versions, we're comparing the characters to the rest of the 3.5 cast. For example, Shiek is godlike in this game, and barely got buffed. Why? Cause the nerfs hit plenty of characters pretty hard, and barely touched Shiek can capitalize.

I feel like Jiggs improved quite a bit in this game, even though I've barely played her since the update. I look forward to doing much better with her than before

 

[MegaMissingno]

She may be able to edgeguard again, but what about her neutral game? I feel like a lot of matchups are worse than Armada's Young Link.

 

[L Pag]

She may be able to edgeguard again, but what about her neutral game? I feel like a lot of matchups are worse than Armada's Young Link.

I wouldn't say it was THAT bad, but yea, Puff has a pretty bad neutral game. A lot of characters outrange her with aerials and tilts, plus there's the abundance of characters with decent projectiles that can keep her out even better.

 

[GogLP]

Seems like the game is moving away from the neutral-centric 3.02. A lot of those really awful projectiles have really been toned down thankfully. I'm very much looking forward to maining Jiggs now. Melee Renaissance *******!

 

[Hoejja]

I wonder what are the actual changes for the dthrow... More knockback, maybe ?

Edit: the dacus is an awesome punish move/kill move imo