Hello all. If you've been keeping up with 3.5 Zard changes, I feel I can understand all of your disappointment with the current glide. Feeling like it takes away a major mobility option, and taking away something many of us practiced and thought made the character interesting. As a result, we asked Metroid what the purpose of the change was, and I urge you all to consider his response:
That being said, our best understanding for the added start-up animation was to remove glide braking. However, I have altered Zard's pac files in such a way that restores the functionality of the old glide somewhat, while still restricting glide breaking just as 3.5's Glide does. I'll add the download link below for you all to play-test, however I wanted to form a solid argument as to why I think this should be restored.metroid1117 said:You’re right, I was not the one directly responsible for the changes made to Charizard. However, as a member of the PMDT and one of the primary playtester for the character, I have more privileged insight than most people.
Contrary to how it may feel, the glide angles were untouched from 3.02 to 3.5 (max upward angle of 50, max downwards of -60). This retention from 3.02 is actually inconsistent with the modifications made to Pit’s and MK’s glides, whose max upward angles were both changed from 70/80 to 45, respectively.
The inability to angle glide upward upon starting it may be due to the forced starting animation, which was necessary to eliminate glide braking. Charizard’s glide previously overrode any momentum he had before starting it, which lead to a mechanic that PMDT members have dubbed “glide braking” (similar to G&W’s bucket braking) in which Charizard can SDI attacks downward at high %s to force a missed tech animation while sliding off the stage – this puts Charizard out of hitstun from the attack and allows him to immediately glide, which negated his momentum and allowed him to survive attacks while recovering to the stage (granted, without any jumps but still the ability to up+B). Such an ability was blatantly out of line with the PMDT’s general stance on weakening recoveries, particularly on a character who is so heavy and difficult to knock offstage to begin with. After attempting to fix the issue several times, none of which were met with success, glide was eventually given the starting animation that is currently in 3.5, which factors into account Charizard’s current momentum when initiating glide rather than completely negating it like previous iterations. Although the starting animation does also add commitment on glide start-up, this added commitment is in line with the changes to MK’s and Pit’s glide, with the former having a max glide duration of 80 frames and the inability to return to a glide state after its first aerial usage while the latter now expends all but 1 jump and has IASA frames delayed by 3 frames; it is regrettable that such a drastic change had to be made to Charizard’s glide and that it alters the timing for glair follow-ups, but it was necessary to remove glide braking and this change is consistent with the overall theme of adding commitment to all glides. (For what it’s worth, it’s still possible to wavebounce glide start, but it has a less noticeable effect compared to before.)
The other noticeable change made to Charizard’s glide is the new turnaround animation upon canceling it. Although there was a consensus to standardize and add commitment to the three glides, the PMDT still wanted them to be unique from each other – hence why only MK has a glide timer and Pit’s glide only reduces him to 1 jump instead of taking away all of his jumps. Along the same lines, Charizard’s glide is the only glide that can be reversed upon glide end. Rather than eliminating this unique trait, this trait was retained but an animation was added to make the turnaround more visually consistent – Charizard’s previous ability to immediately face the opposite direction in the air upon ending a move without going into the Z-axis was jarring compared to other actions that cause the user to turn around (Jigglypuff’s, Kirby’s, MKs, and D3’s double-jump turnarounds, for example). As you may have noticed though, this turnaround animation does alter some timings for glide end turnaround tricks; for what it’s worth, I didn’t feel too strongly about this change one way or the other but there were those in the PMDT who felt that the lack of a turnaround animation looked unprofessional and visually jarring.
I hope this answer is satisfactory for you and the other Charizard mains on the Skype group. I tried to be open and address your inquiries, but if you have other questions, please let me know what else I can do.
Starting with this line from Metroid's response:
If the start-up was truly meant to add more commitment, I feel this change contradicts it:Although the starting animation does also add commitment on glide start-up, this added commitment is in line with the changes to MK’s and Pit’s glide, with the former having a max glide duration of 80 frames and the inability to return to a glide state after its first aerial usage while the latter now expends all but 1 jump and has IASA frames delayed by 3 frames;
This essentially lets you end glide or do glair just as early. All the start-up animation does is restrict Zard from angling the glide removing all the fun stuff he could do before. There is a change however, already in place that DOES accomplish the goal of adding more risk:--Glide Attack and GlideEnd interrupts made earlier to compensate for added startup animation.
Zard's glide now has negative disjoint. As in the hitboxes for it are ridiculously small and hes incredibly vulnerable during it. (Check them out in debug mode if you care to see) This effectively guts its use on-stage to almost a non-option combined with the nerf to his control. Now people might say "They're eliminating burst movement without appropriate risk." However I feel the fact that Zard loses his jumps after gliding is an appropriate risk for the reduced power of this option.--Glide Attack intangibility has been removed; hitboxes have been shrunken, hitboxes have less disjoint. and hitlag multiplier decreased from 1.15x -> 1x on strong hit.
Its a high-risk mobility option that takes time to master. 3.5's current glide really limits options such as:
- Ledge Canceling
- Edge Glair/Edge GlideEnd
- Glair Combos
- Empty Glides
- Wavebouncing(Removed by turnaround animation)
- Ledge Stall(Invul Refresh)
Losing the ability to angle his glide really just restricts Zard much more to the ground combined with the rest of the changes. This would be fine but I feel like this was an essential part of what made him interesting, and honestly just FEELS really awkward. I hope the video above demonstrates clearly the comparisons between the glides and the PMDT will consider looking into it. Thanks for your time!
Pac file link:
They are obviously going to feel different because of the momentum looping code that was added, as well as the increase on initial horizontal momentum. So try them out.